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On January 28 2022 21:06 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2022 19:45 MJG wrote:On January 28 2022 19:15 Aeromi wrote:On January 28 2022 18:51 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 17:53 MJG wrote:On January 28 2022 15:53 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 05:06 AmFreak wrote:
Still not a team event when the one man show still has the advantage due to the ace match.
This format perfectly fits 4 people, don't know what's the problem. They want as many nations as possible and there are quite a few nations, that couldn t even field 3 GM Players in the past format San Marino can't field 11 Serie A players but they still try to qualify for the World Cup every time. I don't see why not having enough GM players is a problem. If I remember correctly in the past you had to be at least GM (or maybe Masters?) To sign up for NationWars. But yeah I totally get the point If they wanted to Limit the applications for the "national teams" they could even do an Open breaket per Nation if more than 8 Players sign up and then have the top 4 Play in the Main tournament It's soooooo much work to do that and they are running under a tight budget already. They did online votes last time so there's no reason they couldn't open that up to a broader range of players. I do think it is a bit strange to only have two players per team and then claim that you're reducing the influence of one strong player... Well how would you do a public voting between average joe #1 - #8? Unless you had to put the MMR and race next to the Name, you had no idear Who to vote on. And if you did, 99% of the comunity would just go with the highest MMR then
The same is true even for 2 players and they already did it with 3 players in the past, so i don't see the problem. It's also not as if everyone has to vote for every country, i'm sure there are people who know the best players of their country. I also don't see the big problem with people deciding by mmr in case of no names, because it indicates a certain level of skill. It's not as if popularity automatically leads to the best team anyway, there were cases in the past were someone was voted in because he was just more popular and not because of skill.
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On January 28 2022 22:13 AmFreak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2022 21:06 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 19:45 MJG wrote:On January 28 2022 19:15 Aeromi wrote:On January 28 2022 18:51 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 17:53 MJG wrote:On January 28 2022 15:53 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 05:06 AmFreak wrote:
Still not a team event when the one man show still has the advantage due to the ace match.
This format perfectly fits 4 people, don't know what's the problem. They want as many nations as possible and there are quite a few nations, that couldn t even field 3 GM Players in the past format San Marino can't field 11 Serie A players but they still try to qualify for the World Cup every time. I don't see why not having enough GM players is a problem. If I remember correctly in the past you had to be at least GM (or maybe Masters?) To sign up for NationWars. But yeah I totally get the point If they wanted to Limit the applications for the "national teams" they could even do an Open breaket per Nation if more than 8 Players sign up and then have the top 4 Play in the Main tournament It's soooooo much work to do that and they are running under a tight budget already. They did online votes last time so there's no reason they couldn't open that up to a broader range of players. I do think it is a bit strange to only have two players per team and then claim that you're reducing the influence of one strong player... Well how would you do a public voting between average joe #1 - #8? Unless you had to put the MMR and race next to the Name, you had no idear Who to vote on. And if you did, 99% of the comunity would just go with the highest MMR then The same is true even for 2 players and they already did it with 3 players in the past, so i don't see the problem. It's also not as if everyone has to vote for every country, i'm sure there are people who know the best players of their country. I also don't see the big problem with people deciding by mmr in case of no names, because it indicates a certain level of skill. It's not as if popularity automatically leads to the best team anyway, there were cases in the past were someone was voted in because he was just more popular and not because of skill.
Couldn't have put it better myself... 
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On January 28 2022 19:45 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2022 19:15 Aeromi wrote:On January 28 2022 18:51 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 17:53 MJG wrote:On January 28 2022 15:53 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 28 2022 05:06 AmFreak wrote:
Still not a team event when the one man show still has the advantage due to the ace match.
This format perfectly fits 4 people, don't know what's the problem. They want as many nations as possible and there are quite a few nations, that couldn t even field 3 GM Players in the past format San Marino can't field 11 Serie A players but they still try to qualify for the World Cup every time. I don't see why not having enough GM players is a problem. If I remember correctly in the past you had to be at least GM (or maybe Masters?) To sign up for NationWars. But yeah I totally get the point If they wanted to Limit the applications for the "national teams" they could even do an Open breaket per Nation if more than 8 Players sign up and then have the top 4 Play in the Main tournament It's soooooo much work to do that and they are running under a tight budget already. They did online votes last time so there's no reason they couldn't open that up to a broader range of players. I do think it is a bit strange to only have two players per team and then claim that you're reducing the influence of one strong player...
Well as the tournament director of the past few editions of Nation Wars I can definitely tell you there was no budget to run local qualifiers for all nations. Having 3 players per nation was already hard enough because a lot of small SC2 nations would have 3 GM players maximum.
I'm not saying the voting format is great for any edition, I'm just trying to tell that O'Gaming is running with a tight tight budget. I would rather have a meh format with everyone working on the tournament being paid that having local qualifiers that cost a lot of money.
Also it was clear from the beginning that Nation Wars is not about skills only but also marketing yourself if you are a player.
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Bump
They are at 54% (21.758 € of 40.000 €) and 19 days left. Let's make this happen!
I do like that there are 2v2s involved but I don't like the player diversity. Only 2 players per team is a bit on the small side of things. Would wish for at least 3 with an optional 4th player
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On February 03 2022 19:15 Harris1st wrote:
Bump
They are at 54% (21.758 € of 40.000 €) and 19 days left. Let's make this happen!
I do like that there are 2v2s involved but I don't like the player diversity. Only 2 players per team is a bit on the small side of things. Would wish for at least 3 with an optional 4th player
Appearently it s going to be possible to rotate between matches with 3 Players. You can t use all 3 Players in the same match though 
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Can we make Paypal happen? I don't own a credit card and would really love to support the project.
Just allowing debit card seems a bit off.
Cheers!
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Can't believe I missed this!! NATION WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On February 03 2022 22:39 Haku wrote:
Can we make Paypal happen? I don't own a credit card and would really love to support the project.
Just allowing debit card seems a bit off.
Cheers!
If you are on the trusting side of things you can paypall it to me and I can direct it to them with a recipt, just PM me.
But maybe it's possible to give it without a credit card through Ogaming Twitch channel?
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So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations
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France13023 Posts
On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations
It says so on their Ulule page:
+ Show Spoiler +
16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$.
Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon
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On April 06 2022 20:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations It says so on their Ulule page: + Show Spoiler +16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$. Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon
Their initial Goal was 40k on Crowdfunding and Liquipedia says 10k Pricepool
So I assumed those percentages are just for Information purpose and not translated 1:1 into how much money actually goes to the Players.
16% of 50k would be 8k wich would be insanely underwhelming for such a hugh crowdfundingcampaing
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On April 06 2022 22:03 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2022 20:50 Poopi wrote:On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations It says so on their Ulule page: + Show Spoiler +16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$. Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon Their initial Goal was 40k on Crowdfunding and Liquipedia says 10k Pricepool So I assumed those percentages are just for Information purpose and not translated 1:1 into how much money actually goes to the Players. 16% of 50k would be 8k wich would be insanely underwhelming for such a hugh crowdfundingcampaing
I thought it would be 16% + the inital 10k -> 18k?
A bit of a pity there is so little information. A bit like the French version of WESG 
Completely missed the voting as well
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France13023 Posts
On April 06 2022 22:03 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2022 20:50 Poopi wrote:On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations It says so on their Ulule page: + Show Spoiler +16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$. Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon Their initial Goal was 40k on Crowdfunding and Liquipedia says 10k Pricepool So I assumed those percentages are just for Information purpose and not translated 1:1 into how much money actually goes to the Players. 16% of 50k would be 8k wich would be insanely underwhelming for such a hugh crowdfundingcampaing
So if liquipedia says 10k and 16% of 60k is 9.6k I assume their real percentage is 16.67% that they rounded to 16%, which would make the prizepool 10k as liquipedia says
Hopefully Maru wants to participate for once, there is some hope since he played in the 2v2 thing with ByuN?
Though Maru+ByuN would be weak in 2v2, T+P reigned supreme in that 2v2 event
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So the team captain can pick anyone willing from the country right? They dont have to be on the initial register/voting list?
Also, I thought Maru + Byun did fairly well in the 2v2 tournament during the playoff. They barely lost to the champion of the event, and NW also has the 1v1 part, so I think they would be heavy favorite to win considering all that.
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France13023 Posts
On April 06 2022 23:04 tigera6 wrote:
So the team captain can pick anyone willing from the country right? They dont have to be on the initial register/voting list?
Also, I thought Maru + Byun did fairly well in the 2v2 tournament during the playoff. They barely lost to the champion of the event, and NW also has the 1v1 part, so I think they would be heavy favorite to win considering all that.
Yeah they were quite strong, but imo ByuN+herO would be the best possible 2v2 team they could gather and still be dangerous in 1v1.
I am sure more informations will be coming, the event will probably be dope as usual anyways though
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On April 06 2022 22:21 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2022 22:03 dbRic1203 wrote:On April 06 2022 20:50 Poopi wrote:On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations It says so on their Ulule page: + Show Spoiler +16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$. Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon Their initial Goal was 40k on Crowdfunding and Liquipedia says 10k Pricepool So I assumed those percentages are just for Information purpose and not translated 1:1 into how much money actually goes to the Players. 16% of 50k would be 8k wich would be insanely underwhelming for such a hugh crowdfundingcampaing Hopefully Maru wants to participate for once, there is some hope since he played in the 2v2 thing with ByuN? Though Maru+ByuN would be weak in 2v2, T+P reigned supreme in that 2v2 event
Seeing Maru playing the 2v2 with ByuN days ago is an encouraging sign, BUT based on the reasons on why he hasn't played Stay at HSC lately (and similar events), I'm not holding my breath. I would be surprised if he decides to play.
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On April 06 2022 22:13 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2022 22:03 dbRic1203 wrote:On April 06 2022 20:50 Poopi wrote:On April 06 2022 20:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the Crowdfunding campaign was stopped 3 days ago with just over 50k.
How much of that is going into the price Pool?
Also the Player voting (wich was very poorly advertised and had some issues as usual) is done as well? Please give us some more informations It says so on their Ulule page: + Show Spoiler +16% is supposed to go to the prizepool, but I don't know if the asset was for 40k, 60k, and if they change this percentage to have the same cashprize for 50k as if there was 60k$. Afaik the player voting is done and captains are now choosing their partner, there will probably be more informations soon Their initial Goal was 40k on Crowdfunding and Liquipedia says 10k Pricepool So I assumed those percentages are just for Information purpose and not translated 1:1 into how much money actually goes to the Players. 16% of 50k would be 8k wich would be insanely underwhelming for such a hugh crowdfundingcampaing I thought it would be 16% + the inital 10k -> 18k? A bit of a pity there is so little information. A bit like the French version of WESG Completely missed the voting as well
Yeah me too. Tried it once or twice, but it was bugged and then forgot to check again
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