On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
nah, Serral has won 1 notable tournament this year, Trap, Rogue, and Maru have all won more than he has. This year Serral is not as good as them
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
nah, Serral has won 1 notable tournament this year, Trap, Rogue, and Maru have all won more than he has. This year Serral is not as good as them
It was a highly entertaining series, especially the first game with old school build of drop-overloads of roaches and queens.
Loved how it was back-and-forth as it truly showed the brilliance and peak play of both of the all-time greatest. Congratulations to Rogue, and thank you to both for bringing a high level of play in SC2.
On December 05 2021 13:10 tommey.liang wrote: It was a highly entertaining series, especially the first game with old school build of drop-overloads of roaches and queens.
Loved how it was back-and-forth as it truly showed the brilliance and peak play of both of the all-time greatest. Congratulations to Rogue, and thank you to both for bringing a high level of play in SC2.
Absolutely. I enjoy Rogue's weird blind hard-counter builds, but seeing him win in macro was also impressive.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
doubt soO has been interviewed in the last couple of months
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
I like how Rogue tries to be humble but he clearly think that he is the best. This differs from Maru who is actually doubting himself, having some sort of impostor syndrome.
Rogue is trying to lift the others "player A is good at that", while Maru is downplaying himself "I think that player will win vs me", "I will struggle vs that".
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 06 2021 05:28 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
Maybe check who replied with the word Serral before us on the first page. There's like 5 posts after yours with this string in it.
So... nah.
Edit> and it continues in here. C'mon.
Sure but you quoted *only* my post and complained about me particularly "stealing the thread"
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
Maybe check who replied with the word Serral before us on the first page. There's like 5 posts after yours with this string in it.
It was a really great finals to watch, so happy I got to stay up and watch this live!
The form of both players was amazing. Rogue's macro was so explosive and crazy. SC2 is getting cooler and cooler to watch! That g5 was so freaking back and forth, multiple fights happening at the same time all over the map, lots of small forces moving around and intercepting other forces. This is the kind of action LotV strove to have more of, and it really succeeded! I was so devastated and worried after seeing Rogue lose that game after such a grueling and long game. Thankfully progamers have amazing mindsets and he came back from 2-3 and won the next 2 games!
This win definitely strengthens Rogue's argument as #2 GOAT over Innovation (though I think it's still arguable Innovation is #2). And it brings Rogue closer to matching or topping Maru as #1!
Finished the vods finally - another great final and always a pleasure to watch the best in the world battle it out! Game 7 could have been closer but having the proxy scouted and getting all the marines caught retreating was the beginning of the end. GGs
EPT
