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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
Please leave your feedback so that ESL and DreamHack can continue to improve upon their events!
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MeistrVasqus
Germany2 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Tamerlane
Canada424 Posts
- The Group stage of the finals was comparatively very short. I think the first day was done in something like 3 hours IIRC? And in general, those were much more interesting and competitive series than region qualifiers. It would have been interesting for the viewers to have more games from these players. I think a format change is in order. A few ideas: have more than 16 players qualify, use a full round robin (is the dual tournament format wanted for a specific reason IDK about?) and/or or replace bo3 with bo5 series. - I think the NA and EU scene has much more talent than it used to just a couple of years ago. It's not just 2-3 players that are able to beat Koreans anymore. So, when players like Neeb, PtitDrogo and HeRoMaRinE (and others) don't reach the Finals, it makes me wonder how many good games we missed because these great players narrowly didn't make it. I think having an extra 4 players in such Finals would be good, specially for the group stage. edit: I think there's also enough parity between players to extend the duration of the Finals Playoffs to a double elimination format. I have the impression we wouldn't have been bored at all to watch Serral play against Rogue/Stats/TY. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
I nominate game 1 of semifinal #2 as Game of the year. | ||
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kugHop
Luxembourg44 Posts
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bela.mervado
Hungary388 Posts
And, if that is possible, would like to have a more transparent bracket generation process, like a live show with real dices / draws from a hat and stuff like that. Nathanias could dress for the occasion as Riddler -.- One more, please show the server on the screen somehow. Is it possible to show live updated pings to players? (I know technically it is, players could have installed a simple tool to ping and report ping to production). | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
- for eu division change the schedule, so that it is 2 groups in one week and the other 2 groups in the next week, instead of 4 groups in 2 weeks (the current schedule is imo annoying) - allow personal streams again!!! - less TalkCraft more StarCraft - better announcements of schedules and such``` | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
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Sorathez
Australia209 Posts
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote: Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple. With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible. | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote: With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible. I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote: I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now. It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad. There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on. | ||
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IMSupervisor
Australia138 Posts
1. I don't ever want to hear a guitar again when a player is being introduced. It's the lamest kind of introduction I think I have ever heard. 2. The vods being uploaded to Youtube are cut too short after the final victory. Please let me decide when I am done listening to the commentary and analysis of the games. | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
On September 21 2020 16:40 dbRic1203 wrote: It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad. There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on. I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers. As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports. Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple. I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 21 2020 16:58 serralfan18 wrote: I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers. As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports. Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple. I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated. It's literally way less complicated than what you're suggesting and also way safer for everyone potentially involved. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4946 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 21 2020 17:26 Argonauta wrote: It will be great if, after the survey, they could release some meta info. I am quite interested of the gender gap in Esports is being reduced or not and the avg age of sc2 fans. which gender gap you have in mind? edit> ffs, cannot decide if what or which is the correct term... when you're selecting from multiple choices it's ... which? | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On September 21 2020 16:58 serralfan18 wrote: I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers. As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports. Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple. I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated. Laughing so hard at the mental image of the homes of Tasteless and Artosis being squatted by groups of quarantined players. Also love how you nonchalantly suggest ESL should just find some loopholes for international travel bans. “It’s really that simple.” It only is in your mind because you have no clue about the logistics of an event like this. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4946 Posts
On September 21 2020 18:05 deacon.frost wrote: which gender gap you have in mind? edit> ffs, cannot decide if what or which is the correct term... when you're selecting from multiple choices it's ... which? viewership one | ||
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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t5Fab
183 Posts
- more intervies would definitely be welcome (like to both players before the matches, have some beef/banter/competition) - let the player chose a little piece of music to have as an intro instead of those free samples, like in the proleague days (<10 seconds should not bring copyright issues), it would add so much flavour! - start earlier, let's not make the koreans play in the night - I always enjoyed a 3rd/4rth decider match to have a fuller finals day and more competition | ||
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Devangel
Russian Federation66 Posts
On September 21 2020 16:54 IMSupervisor wrote: This tournament made me realise 2 things I had never thought about before. 1. I don't ever want to hear a guitar again when a player is being introduced. It's the lamest kind of introduction I think I have ever heard. 2. The vods being uploaded to Youtube are cut too short after the final victory. Please let me decide when I am done listening to the commentary and analysis of the games. Literally this, i could not agree more with you, right on both points! | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
I'd rather have : Long break (with a countdown, I beg you) ==> Caster talks ===> Game starts 2) Crowd funding some of the cash prize for the players on top of the DH/ESL/Blizzard money, pretty please? Especially for the 9th to 44th places during the regional events to support the local scenes. 3) Viewer pols to see which player the crowd thinks is the favourite (and to give the casters something more to talk about )4) Whip the TL admins into submission and force them to give us liquibets for each regional event final phase and the global event or just set up a page for the viewers to bet on who's gonna win each match with a ranking to see who's the best at predicting 5) Play each group one after another | ||
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rtomic
40 Posts
On September 21 2020 21:17 algue wrote: 1) Less frequent but longer ad breaks if possible. Nothing more demoralizing to me than getting "ad break ==> Caster talks ==> ad break ==> more caster talk ==> game starts" I'd rather have : Long break (with a countdown, I beg you) ==> Caster talks ===> Game starts 2) Crowd funding some of the cash prize for the players on top of the DH/ESL/Blizzard money, pretty please? Especially for the 9th to 44th places during the regional events to support the local scenes. 3) Viewer pols to see which player the crowd thinks is the favourite (and to give the casters something more to talk about )4) Whip the TL admins into submission and force them to give us liquibets for each regional event final phase and the global event or just set up a page for the viewers to bet on who's gonna win each match with a ranking to see who's the best at predicting 5) Play each group one after another Literally turned off everyday because 1) anoyed me so much! Game ends, ad break, caster tease talk with smix/wardi/..., ad break... really annyoing. I think 5) is hard to do for the players, since it would almost surely cause some huge downtime for some of them... | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1175 Posts
I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers. As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports. Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple. I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated. 1)Why make it an offline event, when players have to play from a hotel anyway? 2)The ESL is in full-charge of this, so they probably wouldn't play from korea. Instead, they would chose one of their studios (Burbank, Cologne or Leicester I think?). Cologne/Germany would be the obvious choice. In germany, everyone coming from a high-risk country (which is basically everything) has to be in quarantine for five to fourteen days. That includes casters, players and potential other stuff. And they probably have to be in quarantine on their return, too, which could result in some koreans not to be able to play GSL in the following week. 3)ESL isn't even doing their Counterstrike vents offline, even though those probably generate much more money than SC2. So when CS isn't possible, why should they do Starcraft? It is just unnessecary. 4)All teams in the LEC (League of Legends) are living in Berlin, but even THEY didn't go to the studio, also located in Berlin. They played from their respective teamhouses. So ESL would always have to answer the question, why they took such a huge risk with a relatively small event like the SC2 Masters | ||
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t_pure
6 Posts
When Semifinals were brought by feardragon it also was too much.... probably better to go for rifkin than feardragon or craighton who are either doing false realtime analysis or hyping things too much and/or in the wrong direction of the outcome And handsup for the mobile interface usage in the playoffs, really good EDIT: as one mentioned before, due to the fact that in Finals we mix the regions up, there HAS TO BE a lower bracket. You are shifting completely different metaskillgroups together and nobody gets a 2nd chance is somewhat odd. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On September 21 2020 16:54 IMSupervisor wrote: This tournament made me realise 2 things I had never thought about before. 1. I don't ever want to hear a guitar again when a player is being introduced. It's the lamest kind of introduction I think I have ever heard. 2. The vods being uploaded to Youtube are cut too short after the final victory. Please let me decide when I am done listening to the commentary and analysis of the games. YES YES YES ! Biggest points for me as well | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 21 2020 22:03 BaneRiders wrote: The scheduling of the main event's group stage didn't fit any group of viewers it looked like. It started too early for EU and NA, so the viewership was much lower (2/3?) compared to the EU playoffs. You do realize that KOREA is on the other side of planet? | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary388 Posts
Time zones from players perspective: When athletes go to a "real" international sports event, they have to get used to the different timezone. There is enough time. Some are luckier than the others. In this case the finals were 4 am ish Korean time. There should be no problem with that, in a few days accomodation it should be doable. With that said, there are 3-4 big events in a year, they could introduce some variations in the finals timetable, to sometimes favor the Korean players. Anyways, I don't give a f.k, they [all players] are all pros, timetables are public and announced well in time, they have to deal with it. Viewership on the other hand is a whole different beast. (Those friday 6 am CEST GSL starting times -.- easier to stay up than to wake up THAT early. I guess this is not exactly the casual viewers' behaviour.) | ||
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EntityZero
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- for the final championships, there should be a qualifying mode, which determines number of particpants. Since ESL or whoever committed for 3 years, you could still start this now for the last WC. Example: NA have none in the WC 2021 Ro8 (all out earlier)--->no more 3+ NA in WC 2022, only 2. Why I suggest: EU has loads of talent, NA seems frozen in time (only scarlett, neeb have talent (and already lack commitment)). Every other sport has something like this. 2) Casters: Can somebody please be some kind of supervisor? Poeple like Wardi and feardragon are. not. casters. Maybe they have their talent even speechrelated elsewhere, but I honestly fall asleep every time theyre casting. Seriously. I FALL ASLEEP. IN MY CHAIR. Feardragon doesn't have anything to say, that's not already on the screen 30 seconds ago and Wardis phonetics are the same. Every game all game long. Theres no excitement, nothing. Not even in the semi?finals. Is there no newblood interested in casting (i can think of Creighton and the bird dude at a glance)? Can't you make Tastosis casting at least the Winter finals or something? Casters make or break the experience. You want a future? don't let sleepy casters destroy it. New guys might not understand whats going on, but if the casters are freaking out, they might stay and think: ' hm, maybe this is fascinating'. Judge casters by: - Creativity/humour, descriptiondetail/speechspeed/vocal ability, enthusiasm and don't forget the x-factor! 3) Mode: Who voted Golden Wall out of the map pool? It's the ONE map that allows for creativity and forces the players to think on their feet. This is what creates upsets and makes every game a joy to watch. Listen to the casters, you can (hello enthusiasm..) almost hear them sigh when they have to cast about reaper vs zerglings again. This is not a balance problem or game intrinsic. It is because every Pro has played the openings 1000 times. Compare this to chess. 15 (!) turns are mostly 'known' to everybody. Normally I'd argue in favour of this, being a product of a well balanced and professionally played game. But these are different times and it's a video game, not a century old board game. I propose something like: the map pool should be 4 standard maps, 1 short, one long, 2 medium large. Then add creative fun maps on top of this like golden wall. And then don't let the players vote for the maps, but either viewers or tournament officials. If you want the players involved in more than just playing the game you have to find something else. You can't let chessplayers choose if they want white, black or if they wanna swap the color of a tile before starting to play. Get rid of the stupid 'GSL-type' brackets. Round robin is the way to go, if u want to spice it up AND have less games (the change makes it more games), then allow for draws and make it best of 2. Groups like they are now are NOT exciting (via the mode). Almost every match (not game) is a last chance for somebody. If you create upsets with maps or other things, you can be fair to professional gamers this way. I love watching SC2. Make it more professional. It has the potential to last for decades, like it already did. | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
As a side note, It is weird how much SC2 there is to watch nowadays, while there used to be so little when the game was more popular. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 22 2020 02:12 deacon.frost wrote: You do realize that KOREA is on the other side of planet? What is your POINT? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
That if they start more Europe/NA friendly, then Koreans are playing from the midnight to their noon while they still have to attend GSL. The finals were at 4 AM of the Korea. Again the timeslots were pathetic for Koreans and you want them to make it worse... On September 22 2020 02:55 bela.mervado wrote: Some random thoughts without conclusions. Time zones from players perspective: When athletes go to a "real" international sports event, they have to get used to the different timezone. There is enough time. Some are luckier than the others. In this case the finals were 4 am ish Korean time. There should be no problem with that, in a few days accomodation it should be doable. With that said, there are 3-4 big events in a year, they could introduce some variations in the finals timetable, to sometimes favor the Korean players. Anyways, I don't give a f.k, they [all players] are all pros, timetables are public and announced well in time, they have to deal with it. Viewership on the other hand is a whole different beast. (Those friday 6 am CEST GSL starting times -.- easier to stay up than to wake up THAT early. I guess this is not exactly the casual viewers' behaviour.) To the timezones - that would be true if the timeslots were better considering the Code S. But since many players played their group and then DH it's questionable at best. Agreed on the fact that there are multiple tournaments and it would be nice if some were more Korea friendly considering foreigners don't have their tourneys during DH | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary388 Posts
On September 22 2020 08:32 deacon.frost wrote: To the timezones - that would be true if the timeslots were better considering the Code S. But since many players played their group and then DH it's questionable at best. GSL group stage 1 group H overlaps, but (luckily?) none of them played in ESL Fall finals. The actual korean players in ESL Fall finals, and important match dates: player: (GSL group stage 1) ---- (ESL Fall finals) --- (GSL group stage 2) Rogue: none (s2 ro4) ---- sep 17-19 ---- oct 10 Innovation: sep 12 ---- sep 18-20 ---- oct 10 Stats: none (s2 ro4) ---- sep 16-19 ---- oct 7 Trap: aug 29 ---- sep 15-20 ---- oct 10 TY: none (s2 ro4) ---- sept 15-19 ---- sept 23 So Innovation had 6 days between GSL and ESL, Trap had 2 weeks, others had an S2 ro4 pass. TY has 4 days between ESL and GSL, others will chill for 2 weeks. They are fine. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
Best of 7 semi finals and best of 9 grand finals would be nice, especially with the season finals. Season 3 is supposed to the last one for the 2020/2021 EPT and would be a great way to go out in a bang and change things up. Maybe add a double elimination bracket with the player from the winners bracket having a 1-0 lead? Definitely less ad breaks. The way the ads being structured were very annoying. I understand players need time to set up and prepare, but they should be at the ready shortly after the previous match is over. Change the introduction music. Let the players choose their own intro music just like Proleague. Add a week between regional finals and seasonal finals, and have seasonal finals played out over 2 full weeks instead of 6 days. I didn't add a lot of these point sin the survey.... Should I add it in and redo the survey? On September 21 2020 16:58 serralfan18 wrote: I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers. As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports. Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple. I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated. If they were to travel, they'd have to get it paid for by ESL, the team, or out of pocket and stay in a hotel. Traveling is definitely possible but for a "dead" game (when compared to CS:GO, LoL, and Valorant), I'm not so sure tournament organizers or teams want to spend that kind of money. The risk vs reward is simply not there for SC2 season finals. If it was for the grand finale like League of Legends World Championship, then maybe it's worth spending that kind of money to bring players from around the world together. | ||
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Tamerlane
Canada424 Posts
Why I suggest: EU has loads of talent, NA seems frozen in time (only scarlett, neeb have talent (and already lack commitment)). So, only Scarlett and Neeb have talent and yet: Neeb doesn't qualify. You say EU has loads of talent and yet: none of the NA (or LatAm if you want) players finished 4th in their group, as opposed to EU and all other regions except KR. (and both NA players took a game from koreans, while only Reynor, Serral and Koreans achieved the same) The point you had made sense, but the example you bring isn't supported by facts. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 22 2020 08:32 deacon.frost wrote: That if they start more Europe/NA friendly, then Koreans are playing from the midnight to their noon while they still have to attend GSL. The finals were at 4 AM of the Korea. Again the timeslots were pathetic for Koreans and you want them to make it worse... You need to read posts before you comment. I was talking about the viewership, not the players. These are two completely different things. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1710 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 22 2020 15:22 BaneRiders wrote: You need to read posts before you comment. I was talking about the viewership, not the players. These are two completely different things. How can you watch the tournament without the players? It's connected and unless DH manages to avoid conflicts with Code S and plans the schedule so Koreans have the time to prepare they need to respect the players. Because otherwise they get blame from "korean elitists" and they get lower quality of games. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 22 2020 10:11 bela.mervado wrote: GSL group stage 1 group H overlaps, but (luckily?) none of them played in ESL Fall finals. The actual korean players in ESL Fall finals, and important match dates: player: (GSL group stage 1) ---- (ESL Fall finals) --- (GSL group stage 2) Rogue: none (s2 ro4) ---- sep 17-19 ---- oct 10 Innovation: sep 12 ---- sep 18-20 ---- oct 10 Stats: none (s2 ro4) ---- sep 16-19 ---- oct 7 Trap: aug 29 ---- sep 15-20 ---- oct 10 TY: none (s2 ro4) ---- sept 15-19 ---- sept 23 So Innovation had 6 days between GSL and ESL, Trap had 2 weeks, others had an S2 ro4 pass. TY has 4 days between ESL and GSL, others will chill for 2 weeks. They are fine. sep16 group selection? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
Finals group B with Stats and DRG was unfortunate, true. Other than that, group selections is pretty minor. Or do you think they had to practise builds for group selection? | ||
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mounteast0
59 Posts
On September 22 2020 16:52 deacon.frost wrote: How can you watch the tournament without the players? It's connected and unless DH manages to avoid conflicts with Code S and plans the schedule so Koreans have the time to prepare they need to respect the players. Because otherwise they get blame from "korean elitists" and they get lower quality of games. The DH global final should be planned to avoid conflict with GSL schedule at least, because between GSL match and DH global final match, GSL matches are always more important than DH final match for Korean player, both in terms of price money and possible EPT point. However, the issue with when the match start is not going to be easy to resolve, since there is (about) 8 hours time zone difference for Korea and Europe. ESL is an european company, and it want to cater for the English speaking audience, the start time is going to be not optimal for Korea. If the match start after mid-night, the mental state of the player is almost always going to be sub-optimal, thus affecting the performance. Obviously, there is always people claiming that the pro-player are used to not sleeping until next morning, but playing ladder game and playing in the "biggest" tournament requires different physical and mental state. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
ESL could send them green screen setups with tournament overlays/neutral backgrounds like Blizzard did for the Hearthstone GM broadcasts. There could be a bit of a dress code to signal the status as the official broadcast of the main SC2 competitive circuit. It just felt a bit too cosy for a premier event all in all. Also, as others have already said, having the same casters on for entire EU+NA broadcast during the regionals was probably not the best way to do it. Occasionally 6+ hour broadcast of commentary, possibly across weird time zones, was pushing the limits of the casters as well. Change casters halfway through that broadcast, or alternate between two sets so there is enough downtime and breaks for the casters as well. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 22 2020 16:52 deacon.frost wrote: How can you watch the tournament without the players? It's connected and unless DH manages to avoid conflicts with Code S and plans the schedule so Koreans have the time to prepare they need to respect the players. Because otherwise they get blame from "korean elitists" and they get lower quality of games. Kindly stop hi-jacking my posts with this everything-is-so-unfair-for-Koreans agenda. You want to discuss how bad Koreans are treated by DH in this tournament? Feel free to do so, but don't quote me to get an alibi for such a discussion here. Viewership is not necessarily defined by when games are played, but rather when games are broadcasted.What is the point of broadcasting anything if most people can't watch it after all? Hence it should be possible to schedule games when they suit the players and broadcast them with a few hours of delay or so, in order to get as much views as possible. This is something DH could look into for the next tournament, identify peak hours and finetune their broadcasting accordingly. Players would of course have to agree not to post any spoilers until games have been broadcasted, and that should be doable. | ||
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striderx2048
6 Posts
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Slydie
1917 Posts
Some players might even have to do quarentines returning home as well as before the event, so up yo 4 weeks total. It is just too much to ask. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On September 23 2020 05:03 striderx2048 wrote: please no casting from replays. There wasn't any casting from replay afaik. Maybe i'm mistaken? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:15 algue wrote: There wasn't any casting from replay afaik. Maybe i'm mistaken? Nope, there was non. It was all live | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
On September 21 2020 23:52 Balnazza wrote: 1)Why make it an offline event, when players have to play from a hotel anyway? 2)The ESL is in full-charge of this, so they probably wouldn't play from korea. Instead, they would chose one of their studios (Burbank, Cologne or Leicester I think?). Cologne/Germany would be the obvious choice. In germany, everyone coming from a high-risk country (which is basically everything) has to be in quarantine for five to fourteen days. That includes casters, players and potential other stuff. And they probably have to be in quarantine on their return, too, which could result in some koreans not to be able to play GSL in the following week. 3)ESL isn't even doing their Counterstrike vents offline, even though those probably generate much more money than SC2. So when CS isn't possible, why should they do Starcraft? It is just unnessecary. 4)All teams in the LEC (League of Legends) are living in Berlin, but even THEY didn't go to the studio, also located in Berlin. They played from their respective teamhouses. So ESL would always have to answer the question, why they took such a huge risk with a relatively small event like the SC2 Masters 1. Playing online all on the same server will drastically reduce lag and make games more fair. 2. If quarantine is what it takes, then so be it. Make it a longer tournament. Europe is fine. NA is fine. As long as they all play on the same server all the time. I suggested Korea because they have cheap and effective Covid 19 plans that's way more advanced than any country. 3. They cam do CS and SC2 and all of their games offline at some outdoor area to mitigate spread of covid 19. Same thing as outdoor dining. 4. SC2 is not dying as you suggest. Its 100% worth the investment. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
1. Players could use some other colors instead of red vs blue, 2. ESL could force players to use skins and promote them that way with % of payment to ESL to fund other tournaments, 3. Caster's rewamp, 4. Fewer games a day in group stage, it's too stacked and sometimes you can't watch 4 streams in the same time, 5. Quit regional lock politics and mix it up. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1175 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:52 serralfan18 wrote: 1. Playing online all on the same server will drastically reduce lag and make games more fair. 2. If quarantine is what it takes, then so be it. Make it a longer tournament. Europe is fine. NA is fine. As long as they all play on the same server all the time. I suggested Korea because they have cheap and effective Covid 19 plans that's way more advanced than any country. 3. They cam do CS and SC2 and all of their games offline at some outdoor area to mitigate spread of covid 19. Same thing as outdoor dining. 4. SC2 is not dying as you suggest. Its 100% worth the investment. 1. Yes, but it still would be from a hotel, which might not even be equipped for that. 12 players have to finance that themselves (when you do it in korea), since ESL probably won't pay for it. 2. Longer tournaments don't equal more payment. On the contrary, the hype diminishes and the viewership decline. 3. They can't do it...because if they could, they would. Those events are spread all around the globe and players had to go into quarantine every time. It is just not working and WAY too expensive. 4. I'm not saying SC2 is dying, but that it is much smaller than LoL or CS. It is worth the investment, but not on a scale that you suggest. No offense, but you seem kind of naive about this topic. Like ESL had an infinite amount of money that they could spend on SC2 to make it offline in current times. While every other global esport is on hold/switched to online. Probably the only big offline event we will get are the League of Legend World Finals. But those are in China for a whole month without visitors and are the last competition of the year. And even that event won't have english shoutcasters on side, they will work from EU and NA. The only alternative to the current DH Masters system is...none. We just skip global competition for a whole year. Can't see why that would ever hurt the game, right? | ||
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neptunusfisk
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t_pure
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mounteast0
59 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:15 algue wrote: There wasn't any casting from replay afaik. Maybe i'm mistaken? There was no casting from replay. However, somewhere alone this thread, someone suggested the tournament to be play at a different time (to better accommodate players from different region) and have the broadcast at a later time (for better viewership). For full detail, you can read through the reply / comment from this thread. Hence the "casting from replay" comment. | ||
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Nierlin
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:11 followZeRoX wrote: I wrote few things : 1. Players could use some other colors instead of red vs blue, 2. ESL could force players to use skins and promote them that way with % of payment to ESL to fund other tournaments, 3. Caster's rewamp, 4. Fewer games a day in group stage, it's too stacked and sometimes you can't watch 4 streams in the same time, 5. Quit regional lock politics and mix it up. To 1: red and blue are just the best option for color blind viewers, as they will allways be easy to tell apart, wich isn t the case for a lot of other colors To 5: splitting into the regions was done to have most of the competiotion without cross server play and we also have the global season final on top, where all regions, compete together | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:56 Balnazza wrote: 1. Yes, but it still would be from a hotel, which might not even be equipped for that. 12 players have to finance that themselves (when you do it in korea), since ESL probably won't pay for it. 2. Longer tournaments don't equal more payment. On the contrary, the hype diminishes and the viewership decline. 3. They can't do it...because if they could, they would. Those events are spread all around the globe and players had to go into quarantine every time. It is just not working and WAY too expensive. 4. I'm not saying SC2 is dying, but that it is much smaller than LoL or CS. It is worth the investment, but not on a scale that you suggest. No offense, but you seem kind of naive about this topic. Like ESL had an infinite amount of money that they could spend on SC2 to make it offline in current times. While every other global esport is on hold/switched to online. Probably the only big offline event we will get are the League of Legend World Finals. But those are in China for a whole month without visitors and are the last competition of the year. And even that event won't have english shoutcasters on side, they will work from EU and NA. The only alternative to the current DH Masters system is...none. We just skip global competition for a whole year. Can't see why that would ever hurt the game, right? For budget, I suggested lowering the prize pool a bit. They can also ask fans for donations like Valve does for DotA. They can start a Go Fund Me. There are tons of possibilities for fund raising. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:40 neptunusfisk wrote: Stream on Youtube instead. The Twitch vod interface is garbage and not being able to rewind the stream whilst it's still live is annoying. Pls no. The Youtube audio desync is frustrating as all hell. | ||
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