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DreamHack Masters: Fall - Official Survey

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33370 Posts
September 20 2020 20:09 GMT
#1
Now that DreamHack Masters: Fall has concluded, ESL has opened up another survey for feedback from the fans.

Please leave your feedback so that ESL and DreamHack can continue to improve upon their events!

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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
MeistrVasqus
Profile Joined July 2014
Germany2 Posts
September 20 2020 20:37 GMT
#2
Great Event. I really love the camera view of the players, so amazing to see the players reaction.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33370 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 20:52:44
September 20 2020 20:52 GMT
#3
Asking for the return of picture-in-picture multiscreen during intense multitasking moments
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 21:09:13
September 20 2020 20:55 GMT
#4
- The EU+NA group stage coverage was too long for the casters. They were exhausted and the quality dropped significantly towards the end, specially when some matches lasted much longer than usual. I think a relatively easy fix would be to swap the casting team for the NA matches. Another option would be to reduce the number of series for the EU side per day, but I think the number of series was good as it were for the viewer-side of things.

- The Group stage of the finals was comparatively very short. I think the first day was done in something like 3 hours IIRC? And in general, those were much more interesting and competitive series than region qualifiers. It would have been interesting for the viewers to have more games from these players. I think a format change is in order. A few ideas: have more than 16 players qualify, use a full round robin (is the dual tournament format wanted for a specific reason IDK about?) and/or or replace bo3 with bo5 series.

- I think the NA and EU scene has much more talent than it used to just a couple of years ago. It's not just 2-3 players that are able to beat Koreans anymore. So, when players like Neeb, PtitDrogo and HeRoMaRinE (and others) don't reach the Finals, it makes me wonder how many good games we missed because these great players narrowly didn't make it. I think having an extra 4 players in such Finals would be good, specially for the group stage.

edit: I think there's also enough parity between players to extend the duration of the Finals Playoffs to a double elimination format. I have the impression we wouldn't have been bored at all to watch Serral play against Rogue/Stats/TY.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 20 2020 20:58 GMT
#5
I only watched this weeks global matches. A couple of groups and the playoffs were all I watched. The quarterfinals and onwards were some of the best games I've seen this year.

I nominate game 1 of semifinal #2 as Game of the year.
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kugHop
Profile Joined January 2016
Luxembourg44 Posts
September 20 2020 21:04 GMT
#6
It was sad that casters were repeatedly wrong or completely overhyping one player while ignoring the other. Casting was kind of lackluster for the entire event and I cannot understand why they force casters to work at 4 AM local time. The talent was not used very well during the event which made it difficult to watch at times. The games were top and I cannot wait to experience the event live someday.
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bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary387 Posts
September 20 2020 21:07 GMT
#7
BO5 for finals group stage games please.
And, if that is possible, would like to have a more transparent bracket generation process,
like a live show with real dices / draws from a hat and stuff like that.
Nathanias could dress for the occasion as Riddler -.-
One more, please show the server on the screen somehow. Is it possible to show live updated pings to players? (I know technically it is, players could have installed a simple tool to ping and report ping to production).
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 20 2020 21:24 GMT
#8
More Player cams and Interviews even for the smaller regions and group Stage matches. Give those lesser known Players some time in the spotlight as well
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 20 2020 21:33 GMT
#9
For w/e reasons the observer of the finals missed something and it looked like he wasn't cooperating with the commentary. Not sure if it's the online issue, the person was tired, just mentioning it here. No big deal. I saw like 4 matches, so, uh...
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hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
September 21 2020 05:28 GMT
#10
part of my criticism:
- for eu division change the schedule, so that it is 2 groups in one week and the other 2 groups in the next week, instead of 4 groups in 2 weeks (the current schedule is imo annoying)
- allow personal streams again!!!
- less TalkCraft more StarCraft
- better announcements of schedules and such```
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serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 05:48 GMT
#11
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
September 21 2020 05:50 GMT
#12
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 06:39 GMT
#13
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 21 2020 06:42 GMT
#14
Felt like average online tournament to me with weird schedule. Casting, observing and production in general felt average and nothing stood out. Highlight was finnish casting with fuzer.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 21 2020 07:40 GMT
#15
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.


MaxPax
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
September 21 2020 07:54 GMT
#16
This tournament made me realise 2 things I had never thought about before.

1. I don't ever want to hear a guitar again when a player is being introduced. It's the lamest kind of introduction I think I have ever heard.
2. The vods being uploaded to Youtube are cut too short after the final victory. Please let me decide when I am done listening to the commentary and analysis of the games.
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 07:58 GMT
#17
On September 21 2020 16:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.




I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers.

As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports.
Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple.

I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
September 21 2020 08:06 GMT
#18
On September 21 2020 16:58 serralfan18 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 16:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.




I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers.

As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports.
Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple.

I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated.

It's literally way less complicated than what you're suggesting and also way safer for everyone potentially involved.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4915 Posts
September 21 2020 08:26 GMT
#19
It will be great if, after the survey, they could release some meta info. I am quite interested of the gender gap in Esports is being reduced or not and the avg age of sc2 fans.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-21 09:06:48
September 21 2020 09:05 GMT
#20
On September 21 2020 17:26 Argonauta wrote:
It will be great if, after the survey, they could release some meta info. I am quite interested of the gender gap in Esports is being reduced or not and the avg age of sc2 fans.

which gender gap you have in mind?

edit> ffs, cannot decide if what or which is the correct term... when you're selecting from multiple choices it's ... which?
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