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On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote:
So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too.
Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard.
I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time.
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Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
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Was gonna say something about guaranteed no pvp or zvz final, but in gsl proper (discounting gsl vs the world / super tournament etc) there hasn't been one since Roro vs Symbol, damn.
I think stats is a bore, parting or dream winning seems within the realm of possibility which is pretty cool
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I think Innovation is a clear favorite to win it all right now, he's looking incredibly strong but my heart really wants DRG to win.
TY isn't in the same form as he was in GSL S1, and parting's PvT is really good and he's in really good form doing so well vs Innovation, I think parting could possibly steal a win from him.
Dream looks really good right now, but rogue is rogue and when he's motivated he is the best in the world, so I think it could go either way.
Stats is another player that looks like he is in amazing shape right now, and he can also reach really high heights. However, trap has been much more consistent. Trap has only beat stats once recently too. It could go either way but Stats just looks a bit better right now. I think it will be close.
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On July 27 2020 06:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote:
So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too. Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard. I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time.
This is such an awful take lmao.
First, who the hell disputes tournament wins because it their play wasn’t as impressive? Like honestly. He beat them. That is what determines a players caliber.
Second, he is fucking impressive. He can play just about any style and win with it. He wins out of nowhere which is extremely fun to watch and impressive when he shuts assholes like you up.
Third, if you don’t blame him then stop blaming him.
And lastly, those top ten lists you say wouldn’t be credible if they included him are way more credible than Fango’s top ten list hahaha.
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Rogue is the fucking zerg professor. Artosis clearly hates him, but who gives a fuck.
Rogue >>> all other korean zergs
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On July 27 2020 16:26 661 wrote:
Rogue is the fucking zerg professor. Artosis clearly hates him, but who gives a fuck.
Rogue >>> all other korean zergs
Wdym I remember Artosis said he loves Rogue on multiple occasions.
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On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
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On July 27 2020 16:26 661 wrote:
Rogue is the fucking zerg professor. Artosis clearly hates him, but who gives a fuck.
Rogue >>> all other korean zergs
I don't think Artosis hated him since he also praised Rogue for his brilliant plays too. The term "abusive" should not be interpreted as negative things.
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On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
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On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
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On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
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On July 27 2020 17:55 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
Ok,great.
Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes.
I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games.
I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game.If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
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On July 27 2020 18:02 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:55 Z3nith wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently. Ok,great. Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes. I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games. I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game. If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
lol, vouch
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On July 27 2020 18:02 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:55 Z3nith wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently. Ok,great. Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes. I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games. I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game.If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
There isn't a great amount of variety in PvZ I grant you but it's better than it was say two months ago. I'm the past few weeks I've actually seen a move away from using only adept builds from the likes of Trap and Stats. There's even been a resurgence in the use of dt into archon drop particularly from Zest.
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On July 27 2020 11:30 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 06:59 Fango wrote:On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote:
So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too. Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard. I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time. This is such an awful take lmao. First, who the hell disputes tournament wins because it their play wasn’t as impressive? Like honestly. He beat them. That is what determines a players caliber. Second, he is fucking impressive. He can play just about any style and win with it. He wins out of nowhere which is extremely fun to watch and impressive when he shuts assholes like you up. Third, if you don’t blame him then stop blaming him. And lastly, those top ten lists you say wouldn’t be credible if they included him are way more credible than Fango’s top ten list hahaha.
Agreed, not sure why being creative and abusing the race to the fullest should be consideted less "impressive" than playing standard macro games every game. Considering sc2 is a real time STRATEGY game I actually think the ability to mix it up this much and be this succesful with it is hella impressive.
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Someone tell me how you can beat a top, top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production
User was temp banned for this post.
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If protoss loses an immortal, its game over. Zerg can throw away their units 10 times and lose 50 drones and still win at the end. Talk about game design and strength of race.
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So TY wishes for anything but protoss and he ends up in a bracket with the three strongest protoss there are. I guess if he somehow makes it to the finals again we will know who should wear the vacant TvP crown. But it seems highly unlikely. I think Stats will make it this time, he looks in very good shape. It would be great to see him take another Code S in his (pen?)ultimate appearance.
On the other side of the bracket, it would be a major upset if the semifinals isn't between Rogue and Innovation. I still have a feeling Rogue takes it here, and I honestly think he's taking the whole tournament too. It also has been ages since our last zerg champion ( ), so long that Afreeca branded this whole season as the revenge of the bugs (apparently nobody even cares to mention protoss anymore).
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On July 27 2020 18:47 kingism wrote:
Someone tell me how you can beat a top, top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production
On July 27 2020 18:49 kingism wrote:
If protoss loses an immortal, its game over. Zerg can throw away their units 10 times and lose 50 drones and still win at the end. Talk about game design and strength of race.
He was banned like a week ago because he was copy pasting the exact same post like this, how is he allowed to post again?
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