Group D of the RO16 concluded with Stats and Rogue advancing over Zest and Cure, finalizing the eight-player playoff bracket for GSL Code S Season 2.
DongRaeGu and Dream are the two names that stick out most in the bracket, as they are the first two players to return from Korea's mandatory military service and reach the Code S quarterfinals. On the other hand, Maru and Dark are conspicuous in their absence, as they suffered shocking upsets in their RO16 groups.
Who will rise to the occasion in this most unusual season of Code S? The Code S quarterfinals will begin on Wednesday, Jul 29 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) with the first two matches: DongRaeGu vs INnoVation and Dream vs Rogue.
Group D results
Initial Match #1: Stats 2 - 0 Cure
Cure kicked off the group by playing a one-base 1/1/1 build against on Ever Dream. Part one of his plan worked out quite well as his Medivac ferried Marines and Hellions safely into Stats' main. Part two, however, was a total disaster, as it turns out Battery Overcharge is really good against unstimmed Marines and Hellions. Stats then sent his Stalkers to Cure's base to try to get some harassment done, but ended up finding a victory instead. Cure had unsieged his Tanks to move out together with Marines, which made them easy targets for Stats' Stalkers to Blink on top of. Once the Tanks were focus-fired down, it was all over for Cure.
The two players made up for the brevity of game one with a lengthy macro game on—you guessed it—Eternal Empire. The first macro build-up lead to a semi-base trade, as both players sent their armies across the map without encountering each other. The two players cut each other's expansion counts down from four to two, before retreating to lick their wounds and recover. In this second build-up phase, Stats came out ahead with a couple of slick moves. He used Blink DT's to cripple Cure's economy, while shutting down Cure's harassment with a devastating Stasis Ward + Disruptor combo on his own side of the map. Having taken both the army and worker count lead, Stats played out his lead slowly and methodically, chipping away at Cure until he was forced into a final desperation attack.
Initial Match #2: Rogue 2 - 1 Zest
Despite being the player who codified the Glaive-Adept PvZ meta of 2020, Zest opted not to go for his signature unit in game one against Rogue, utilizing an Oracle opener instead. Just kidding! Zest followed the Oracle up with a Glaive-Adept all-in, and forced a sub-seven-minute GG out of Rogue.
Zest went for a more normal Stargate opener in game two, applying some early Oracle harassment while going up to three bases. Unfortunately for Zest, this time it was Rogue's turn to go for an all-in, and his Roach-Ravager-Queen easily busted through the Protoss defenses to earn Rogue his own sub-seven-minute win in the series.
Rogue and Zest then one-upped (or one-downed) themselves by delivering a sub-SIX-minute game on Deathaura, which is almost certain to end up being the weirdest game of the season. Zest opened up with a Cannon-rush, to which Rogue responded by going for an offensive hatchery inside of Zest's main. What followed was a largely incomprehensible sequence of events, which might be summed up as "I'm not sure Zest knew what he was doing." Anyway, it ended with Zest losing to one-base speedlings, despite having two Cannons inside his main. Look, this game is impossible to recap—just watch it. It won't help you understand it any better, but it will at least make you believe that it actually happened.
Winners' Match: Stats 2 - 1 Rogue
A macro game still wasn't on Rogue's mind as he went up against Stats, as he aimed to go for a Roach-Queen-Nydus attack on Deathaura. While Stats' 2-Stargate Phoenix strategy seemed like it could be vulnerable, it actually proved to be the perfect counter when Rogue erred by gifting five Queens to Stats' Phoenixes when they flew into his base. This took all the threat out of the Nydus attack, letting Stats sit back and macro-up in peace. However, Stats soon gifted the lead back to Rogue, launching a suicidal attack into Zerg territory which saw all of his units evaporate against the defending Hydralisks and Roaches. With the Protoss army gone, Rogue finally got the money Nydus he had been looking for from the start, and flooded Stats with Hydralisks to force the GG.
Rogue kept the aggression coming in game two on Ever Dream, as he went for a proxy-Hatchery just outside of Stats' natural for an offensive Spine-Crawler rush. Having scouted the proxy-Hatchery late, Stats made the prudent decision to give up his natural expansion and play a 1-base vs 1-base game. Stats executed a highly effective delaying action at his natural, buying himself plenty of time to set himself up on one base. By the time Speedlings and Spine Crawlers were done killing the natural expansion Nexus, there was already a Cannon and Immortal ready to hold the Protoss ramp.
Unable to advance any further, Rogue faced a deadly countdown. His Spine Crawlers could contain Stats inside his main for the time being, but he would soon have to deal with the all-powerful Immortal-Warp Prism combo. Against a lesser Player, Rogue might have had time to take his natural and transition out of his low-tech all-in. However, Stats immediately started to put the pressure back on Rogue once he had two Immortals and a Warp Prism, knowing Ling-Queen was helpless against that combo's deadly micro potential. Stats used impeccable Prism juggling micro break through the containment, and started moving over to Rogue's territory to inflict some pain. In the end, Rogue never managed to get off of Ling-Queen, and Stats was able to roll him over with Sentries, Adepts, and Immortals off one base.
The series concluded on Eternal Empire, where Stats started by hammering Rogue with Glaive-Adept pressure. While Stats couldn't kill Rogue straight-up, he racked up enough Drone kills and forced enough Zergling production to put Rogue severely behind. Once Stats added Immortals and Sentries to his growing Adept force, he was able to roll over Rogue and cinch the 2-1 victory for first place in the group.
Losers' Match: Zest 2 - 0 Cure
The losers' match turned out to be a great showcase for Zest's other major innovation of 2020: His Blink-DT centric PvT style. Zest showed great sense for when to use DT's to harass and when to use them to hack apart vulnerable Terran units, and beat Cure convincingly in two macro games.
Decider Match: Rogue 2 - 0 Zest
After their cheesy initial series, it was inevitable that one of Rogue or Zest was going to bring out a creative strategy in game one on Golden Wall. Channeling Trap from the DH Summer Finals, Zest mined out his backdoor minerals to go for a backdoor-expansion + proxy-Stargate combo. After some light Oracle harassment to start, Zest followed-up with a mass Glaive-adept all-in off two bases. While this might have worked against a three-base Zerg, Rogue was focused his own unorthodox strategy: Swarm Host-Nydus off of two bases. Upon scouting Zest's intent to go mass Adepts, Rogue simply walled off his natural expansion with Evolution Chambers and Spine Crawlers. This rendered Zest's Adepts totally useless, while on the other side of the map, Zest was largely helpless against Rogue's Swarm Hosts. After several minutes of whittling Zest down with Locusts, Rogue finally finished him off with Roaches.
Zest had another trick prepared for game two on Ever Dream, opening with a standard DT/Archon drop and transitioning into mass Phoenixes from two hidden Stargates. As for Rogue, he had gone for his most 'normal' gameplan of the night, making Roach-Ravager off four bases while eyeing a transition to Hive tech. In the midst of this, Rogue scouted out Zest's two hidden Stargates, which prompted him to morph a bunch more Ravagers and go for a big Roach-Ravager-Ling attack. The Zerg forces arrived before there were enough Phoenixes to really affect the tide of battle, and punched a giant hole in the Protoss defenses. Rogue followed up by pouring Hydralisks through the breach, forcing the final GG out of Zest.
Stats is certainly a unique player for a few reasons. For one, the dude is just great offline. For whatever he reason his play is just slightly off when playing online - like he's not locked in or something. His micro just isn't quite what it should be and he'll move his camera back to unit just in time to watch it die. He was definitely pretty locked in tonight and his play was very crisp. Just the ill advised attack on Rogue in game 1 to really regret.
He's also interesting in that you can kind of predict his performance based on his recent ladder. Players who like aggressive styles (protoss primarily, and to a lesser extent terrans) typically maintain a fairly strong rating due to the lack of preparation the opponent has and the roulette of things you'll encounter on ladder. Defensive players usually lag behind a little bit more and Stats is one of the few true top end players who you will see sitting at like 6400 something MMR. During those sessions his timings are just not quite sharp enough and his defense not quite quick enough to carry him through, where other plays would be just aggressive enough to sneak wins. But on the flipside, when Stats is playing at 6700+ on the ladder you know he's in good form.
Cure really showed some poor PvT today. Felt like everything he tried just got swatted away by both Zest and Stats. Just disappointing all around.
Zest tried out more whacky shit that was both really cool and really not effective at the same time. His PvT though was really excellent and he's a master at the mass gateway unit style, and given its general effectiveness, I wish Protoss leaned on it a bit more often. Also you know its a Zest game when you see a Protoss player not maxed, have 4k minerals in the bank with 8 gateways, and his solution to macro is just to build 9 gates all at once. I'm still amazed that the correct analysis of that is "yeah, this is still fine actually."
Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
Rogue played accordingy to the opponent and accordingly to the metagame
Yeah, Zest was kind of player that Rogue tended to do abusive strategies against him due to Rogue's immediate responds to his play style. It has been a long time we have seen macro games between these two players.
wouldn't be shocked if Rogue wins this season although I hope it's either iNnoVation or Stats who wins. But Rogue is just an absolute god in Bo7s and I think he will beat Dream in all likelihood.
Rogues attack on Zest in the second game of the first series was pretty much identical to the Serral vs Trap game on the same map of the Dreamhack Masters. He streamed roaches, queens and lings across the map and even though Zest had a Warp Prism going across the map he did not see the attack until it hit his doorstep.
Cure's drop was perfectly defended by Stats who played extremely well. The real threat of the drop (which included 7 marines, a medivac and 3 hellions) was the fact that the 3 hellions could one shot probes. So when it hit his mineral line he focused down 1 hellion and then immediately the medivac so the rest of the units couldn't escape. After killing that initial hellion not a single other protoss unit died in the attack.
I also was quite tickled in their second game after the base trade they were basically wielding two armies each on opposite sides of the map. In one of the army group Stats had all his collosi, Cure also had all his vikings in one group. Anytime Cure would send his vikings to the side where Stats had his collosi Stats would move the collosi to the other army group. He was just one step ahead this series.
On July 26 2020 01:40 Anc13nt wrote: wouldn't be shocked if Rogue wins this season although I hope it's either iNnoVation or Stats who wins. But Rogue is just an absolute god in Bo7s and I think he will beat Dream in all likelihood.
It's almost comical how many times people have (rightfully) said if Rogue gets past the ro8 he'll be unstoppable, and then he's proceeded to somehow lose in said ro8.
On July 25 2020 22:08 Russano wrote: Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
I used to be a massive Rogue fan but I have to agree. When Artosis said Rogue is the most abusive zerg he was right. Out of all the big champions in SC2 he always feels the least deserving.
Typo in stats - rogue, it says zest! Otherwise very nice
On July 26 2020 01:40 Anc13nt wrote: wouldn't be shocked if Rogue wins this season although I hope it's either iNnoVation or Stats who wins. But Rogue is just an absolute god in Bo7s and I think he will beat Dream in all likelihood.
On July 25 2020 22:08 Russano wrote: Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
I used to be a massive Rogue fan but I have to agree. When Artosis said Rogue is the most abusive zerg he was right. Out of all the big champions in SC2 he always feels the least deserving.
Still, wasn't Rogue one of very few zergs to actually to admit how much balance favored zerg? With that disgusting display on Golden wall maybe he is trying to have swarm hosts nerfed. After today, I don't think anyone would mind never having to see those units again.
Hoping for Rogue Trap finals with Trap taking it. I don't think Inno has a chance to beat both DRG and Rogue, probably not even DRG with the current state of ZvT.
Trap will have it tough against Stats but if he wins there is a big chance to reach the finals. His PvP looks super solid this year. Even made the former PvP God Zest look like a scrub a couple of times
On July 25 2020 22:08 Russano wrote: Stats is certainly a unique player for a few reasons. For one, the dude is just great offline. For whatever he reason his play is just slightly off when playing online - like he's not locked in or something. His micro just isn't quite what it should be and he'll move his camera back to unit just in time to watch it die. He was definitely pretty locked in tonight and his play was very crisp. Just the ill advised attack on Rogue in game 1 to really regret.
He's also interesting in that you can kind of predict his performance based on his recent ladder. Players who like aggressive styles (protoss primarily, and to a lesser extent terrans) typically maintain a fairly strong rating due to the lack of preparation the opponent has and the roulette of things you'll encounter on ladder. Defensive players usually lag behind a little bit more and Stats is one of the few true top end players who you will see sitting at like 6400 something MMR. During those sessions his timings are just not quite sharp enough and his defense not quite quick enough to carry him through, where other plays would be just aggressive enough to sneak wins. But on the flipside, when Stats is playing at 6700+ on the ladder you know he's in good form.
Cure really showed some poor PvT today. Felt like everything he tried just got swatted away by both Zest and Stats. Just disappointing all around.
Zest tried out more whacky shit that was both really cool and really not effective at the same time. His PvT though was really excellent and he's a master at the mass gateway unit style, and given its general effectiveness, I wish Protoss leaned on it a bit more often. Also you know its a Zest game when you see a Protoss player not maxed, have 4k minerals in the bank with 8 gateways, and his solution to macro is just to build 9 gates all at once. I'm still amazed that the correct analysis of that is "yeah, this is still fine actually."
Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
You are perceptive... I've long been of the opinion that relentless laddering is in fact the BEST practice..
Look at Cure... clearly he practiced vs the wrong type of Protoss. You practice with a player, and you end up formulating strategies for THAT specific player, not the race.
It's like when Byun was in his top form. He was like, streaming, winning 30-40 games in a row, get rank 1 GM, then leave and do it all over again...
On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote: So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too.
You cant blame Rogue for Zest cannon rushes or glaive adepts all ins.
Agreed here. Rogue is a strategically fascinating and brilliant player, and the fact that he used to be king of proleague sniping really shows in his tournament play. Only in recent years he's also had top-tier mechanics and solid standard play to round things off.
That adept-wall SH nydus play on Golden Wall was the perfect response well executed. Sure PvZ isn't in a good spot, but that was a game where Zest got played like a fiddle.
Haven't watched so exiting Ro16 in probably 2 years. For a first time in a while I am so for all the upcoming matches. My biggest fear was the fall of the protosses, but now any player is well deserved and there are no outsiders. So many pleasant surprises. Stats and Trap are slowly restoring their top forms. Parting is like 90% near to his glory days back in the end of 2012. DRG plays like a champion and the only worry is that he's not on the same level in every race matchup. Inno is the most serious pretender for a final. Dream is something different, he is not reminding for his top form back in 2015, but he is even like a new man. TY is totally unpredictable and his main issue is with TvP matches and apart of that he still can play like a god. TY, Inno and Rogue are players who can instantly change their behavior when the smell that the final is close. GG for every and even those who didn't make it on Ro16. Even Zest surprised me pleasantly with the new DT tactics. I was really pissed of that mass adept stuff for months. For now Parting seems so inspirational that I haven't felt such joy for my favorite race for really long time... may be 4-5 years.
On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote: So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too.
Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard.
I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time.
Was gonna say something about guaranteed no pvp or zvz final, but in gsl proper (discounting gsl vs the world / super tournament etc) there hasn't been one since Roro vs Symbol, damn.
I think stats is a bore, parting or dream winning seems within the realm of possibility which is pretty cool
I think Innovation is a clear favorite to win it all right now, he's looking incredibly strong but my heart really wants DRG to win.
TY isn't in the same form as he was in GSL S1, and parting's PvT is really good and he's in really good form doing so well vs Innovation, I think parting could possibly steal a win from him.
Dream looks really good right now, but rogue is rogue and when he's motivated he is the best in the world, so I think it could go either way.
Stats is another player that looks like he is in amazing shape right now, and he can also reach really high heights. However, trap has been much more consistent. Trap has only beat stats once recently too. It could go either way but Stats just looks a bit better right now. I think it will be close.
On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote: So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too.
Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard.
I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time.
This is such an awful take lmao.
First, who the hell disputes tournament wins because it their play wasn’t as impressive? Like honestly. He beat them. That is what determines a players caliber.
Second, he is fucking impressive. He can play just about any style and win with it. He wins out of nowhere which is extremely fun to watch and impressive when he shuts assholes like you up.
Third, if you don’t blame him then stop blaming him.
And lastly, those top ten lists you say wouldn’t be credible if they included him are way more credible than Fango’s top ten list hahaha.
On July 27 2020 16:26 661 wrote: Rogue is the fucking zerg professor. Artosis clearly hates him, but who gives a fuck.
Rogue >>> all other korean zergs
I don't think Artosis hated him since he also praised Rogue for his brilliant plays too. The term "abusive" should not be interpreted as negative things.
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
Ok,great. Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes.
I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games.
I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game.If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
Ok,great. Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes.
I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games.
I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game.If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Stargate builds have been making a pretty big comeback of late whether that's oracles or double Stargate phoenix. Also there's the blink stalker Colossus build that both Trap and PartinG have been using recently.
Ok,great. Double stargate is only good if not scouted and it's still an "abusive protoss strat" and you're right about blink colossus but most of the times it loses against ravager + banes.
I watch PartinG stream a lot and if he does that build is for a timing not for a long macro game and he just uses "abusive protoss strats and timings" in at least 80% of his games.
I just watched some PvZs on sOs stream and he's going adept with glaives every game.If even sOs uses the same build you know that there's a problem with variety.
There isn't a great amount of variety in PvZ I grant you but it's better than it was say two months ago. I'm the past few weeks I've actually seen a move away from using only adept builds from the likes of Trap and Stats. There's even been a resurgence in the use of dt into archon drop particularly from Zest.
On July 26 2020 22:57 Argonauta wrote: So much Rogue hate around here lol.
Rogue is the best korean zerg player, rogue deserves his champsionships. Deal with it .
Rogue plays macro games and sometimes cheeses like everyone else.
Rogue uses swarmhosts, why he sohouldnt? Why other zergs refuse to use them? Deal with that too.
Rogue likes to win with strategies that personally I don't feel should have a place in SC2. It's really that simple. He'll win tournaments without being mechanically or tactically impressive compared to his opponents, even on some occasions being suprised himself because he (in his own words) didn't practice particularly hard.
I don't blame him for using those strategies, but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching it. He's almost the highest earning player in SC2, but he's probably not making any credible top 10 greatest player list at the same time.
This is such an awful take lmao.
First, who the hell disputes tournament wins because it their play wasn’t as impressive? Like honestly. He beat them. That is what determines a players caliber.
Second, he is fucking impressive. He can play just about any style and win with it. He wins out of nowhere which is extremely fun to watch and impressive when he shuts assholes like you up.
Third, if you don’t blame him then stop blaming him.
And lastly, those top ten lists you say wouldn’t be credible if they included him are way more credible than Fango’s top ten list hahaha.
Agreed, not sure why being creative and abusing the race to the fullest should be consideted less "impressive" than playing standard macro games every game. Considering sc2 is a real time STRATEGY game I actually think the ability to mix it up this much and be this succesful with it is hella impressive.
Someone tell me how you can beat a top, top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production
If protoss loses an immortal, its game over. Zerg can throw away their units 10 times and lose 50 drones and still win at the end. Talk about game design and strength of race.
So TY wishes for anything but protoss and he ends up in a bracket with the three strongest protoss there are. I guess if he somehow makes it to the finals again we will know who should wear the vacant TvP crown. But it seems highly unlikely. I think Stats will make it this time, he looks in very good shape. It would be great to see him take another Code S in his (pen?)ultimate appearance.
On the other side of the bracket, it would be a major upset if the semifinals isn't between Rogue and Innovation. I still have a feeling Rogue takes it here, and I honestly think he's taking the whole tournament too. It also has been ages since our last zerg champion (), so long that Afreeca branded this whole season as the revenge of the bugs (apparently nobody even cares to mention protoss anymore).
On July 27 2020 18:47 kingism wrote: Someone tell me how you can beat a top, top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production
On July 27 2020 18:49 kingism wrote: If protoss loses an immortal, its game over. Zerg can throw away their units 10 times and lose 50 drones and still win at the end. Talk about game design and strength of race.
He was banned like a week ago because he was copy pasting the exact same post like this, how is he allowed to post again?
On July 25 2020 22:08 Russano wrote: Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue.
I used to be a massive Rogue fan but I have to agree. When Artosis said Rogue is the most abusive zerg he was right. Out of all the big champions in SC2 he always feels the least deserving.
People pretend Bly doesn't exist. Or NoRegret, or Scarlett
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote: Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote: Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote: Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit.
On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote: Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics
On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit.
HOTS SH is a straight up bad design unit. But after the famous HOTS 2015 patch SH is a mechanically different unit that cannot be used in the same way, I cant understand how people fail to see that. SH is a worse version of raven turret harash.
Also, if talking about design perspective, zerg needs a comeback unit that is not mutas, and SH is one because is just cost effective but supply intensive, although no zerg yet uses it as one.
On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote: Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics
On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:
On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:
On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote: Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol
Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please.
Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ?
Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest.
As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea.
I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit.
HOTS SH is a straight up bad design unit. But after the famous HOTS 2015 patch SH is a mechanically different unit that cannot be used in the same way, I cant understand how people fail to see that. SH is a worse version of raven turret harash.
Also, if talking about design perspective, zerg needs a comeback unit that is not mutas, and SH is one because is just cost effective but supply intensive, although no zerg yet uses it as one.
It doesn't matter, people hate the unit for its past sins and for the current state. Flying free units with terrible-terrible damage is a unit which will be hated. Add to that the nydus. It's not about being any good in design, the damage was already done and it cannot be saved (IMO).
I think a reason Nydus SH is hated way more than any abusive protoss strat like Parting’s blink is that Nydus SH is also generally more boring to watch.
Depends what you define as 'abusive'. I think people often equate the term with 'cheese', but I disagree. To me, 'abusive' means overplaying one's racial/meta advantage. Like playing BL-Infestor during HOTS.
I don't really find Rogue 'abusive' anymore than Classic. They both have a repertoire of clever plays, sometimes going against the meta and truly unconventional.
Rather, I find macro Zerg as abusive for the last 2 years. I'm only a casual viewer. But to me, if a macro Zerg plays perfectly (which doesn't seem that hard), there's almost no way Terran and Protoss can defeat Zerg. That's why I appreciate Rogue and Dark throwing in more cunning builds and plays despite Zerg being so strong in late-game.
It's tough to pin down Protoss players as abusive since they kinda lack options and are arguably forced to play 'abusive' builds because that's the only way they can win. That said, there are players who are clearly not abusive - Stats and Trap. Zest is a bit a borderline case. But Parting? From soul train to blink stalkers... yeah, he's definitely abusive. Fun personality and nostalgia aside, I really can't fathom why people cheer for him so much. His strength is forcing mistakes and going for coin-flips - whilst that may be his most optimal way of winning, I just feel such plays just brings out the worst out of SC2 (i.e. volatility). Sorry, Stats and Trap are the true hopes of Aiur (at least, until Classic returns).
PartinG has incredible micro control and is one of the best players ever in taking fights and skirmishes. His success with using abusive builds is largely the product of his incredible skills and much less the game itself.
There is a reason other Protoss players can't all-in quite like PartinG
PartinG is a beast with some of the best micro in the whole world. He uses it not only for offense but also for defense.I've seen some of the best holds ever in his channel.
I think that saying that he only all ins is wrong as well.Sure he prefers to just use some 2-3 base builds but he goes for a macro game (pretty succesfully) more often than you think.He just knows that his biggest strenght is his control and he'd be stupid not to use it to win.
On July 28 2020 02:37 Kuchikikun wrote: PartinG is a beast with some of the best micro in the whole world. He uses it not only for offense but also for defense.I've seen some of the best holds ever in his channel.
I think that saying that he only all ins is wrong as well.Sure he prefers to just use some 2-3 base builds but he goes for a macro game (pretty succesfully) more often than you think.He just knows that his biggest strenght is his control and he'd be stupid not to use it to win.
He can definitely be very successful in macro games (think game 1 vs inno in code s ro16)
Parting may have the best micro and engagement in the world. So what? Hasn't gotten him a Starleague or Blizzcon victory (or even close to winning one). So the whole 'play-to-win' argument doesn't really excuse nor explain his 'abusive' play-style.
I just see some double standards in people tending to hero-worship Parting whilst trash-talking more successful (and arguably similarly abusive) players like Zest and sOs. He's not even a tragic Kong like soO who has gotten close so many times.
Anyway, my point is that the term 'abusive' gets thrown around to players that one dislikes for purely subjective reasons, and not for any particular credible objective reason.
On July 29 2020 00:44 RKC wrote: Parting may have the best micro and engagement in the world. So what? Hasn't gotten him a Starleague or Blizzcon victory (or even close to winning one).
EPT
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), so long that Afreeca branded this whole season as the revenge of the bugs (apparently nobody even cares to mention protoss anymore).
(not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it 
