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On July 26 2020 04:26 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2020 22:08 Russano wrote:
Rogue still using stupid abusive zerg strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro rogue. I used to be a massive Rogue fan but I have to agree. When Artosis said Rogue is the most abusive zerg he was right. Out of all the big champions in SC2 he always feels the least deserving.
People pretend Bly doesn't exist. Or NoRegret, or Scarlett 
It's almost offensive towards Bly.
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@661 lol clearly you have no answer to my question then. Can only resort to banning me.
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On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds.
Nah men, I am ok with zest builds.
I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
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Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed 
BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP)
On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T.
There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more.
Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
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On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP) Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean.
You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
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On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad.
Ah ok no problem.
I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive.
I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
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On July 27 2020 19:24 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP) On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean. You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts.
Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics
On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad. Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive. I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus.
IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this  (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
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On July 27 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:24 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP) On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean. You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts. Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad. Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive. I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus. IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past)
I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit.
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On July 27 2020 19:39 Kuchikikun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote:On July 27 2020 19:24 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP) On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean. You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts. Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad. Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive. I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus. IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past) I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit.
HOTS SH is a straight up bad design unit. But after the famous HOTS 2015 patch SH is a mechanically different unit that cannot be used in the same way, I cant understand how people fail to see that. SH is a worse version of raven turret harash.
Also, if talking about design perspective, zerg needs a comeback unit that is not mutas, and SH is one because is just cost effective but supply intensive, although no zerg yet uses it as one.
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On July 27 2020 19:44 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2020 19:39 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote:On July 27 2020 19:24 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:Hey, I heart this is the Terran patch, Maru bad which means it's Q.E.D. And then people told me Protoss is FUBAR. And yet we have 3/2/2 distribution in the RO8. I am disappointed BTW who has stronger TvZ/TvP, Inno or TY? I see it the way that the strongest Terran in their discipline is on the side with their prey. (meaning Inno is better than TY in TvZ and TY is better than Inno in TvP) On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. There's a difference, SH are universally hated for them "free units", nydus isn't liked as well. While at blink all ins you can hate mostly the warp in mechanics and I personally hate nydus/sh more. Edit to your edit> IMO that's because Scarlett isn't Korean. You have a point but if SH/nydus was so OP you would see more zergs trying it out and I havent seen it happening this year. Also Rogue did SH/nydus just a game and in a really clever way vs mass glaive adepts. Not saying it's in any way OP, just universally hated because SH/nydus are seen as bad mechanics On July 27 2020 19:28 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 19:17 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:48 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 17:36 Argonauta wrote:On July 27 2020 17:33 Kuchikikun wrote:On July 27 2020 07:14 elluel wrote:
Zest still trying to abuse Adepts every game... when will protosses learn lol Ok tell me 5 good alternatives to the glaive build or variations of it please. Don't you think that there's a good reason for the massive use of the adept build in PvZ? Rogue Zest still using stupid abusive zerg protoss strats and timings in a ridiculous amount of games. I miss macro Rogue Zest. As if going for a macro game as protoss versus zerg is a good idea. I'm going to ask you the same question:are there good alterntives?Maybe you'll get why 90% of PvZ are variations of glaives adept builds. Nah men, I am ok with zest builds. I was just trying to mock some TL posters logic. They find SH builds abusive, but props and cheers PartinG when doing 7 gate blink vs T. EDIT: Same with Scarlett, if she knocks out rogue from GSL its an impressive take on ZvZ meta and she has outsmart her opponents, when Rogue does it omg so bad. Ah ok no problem. I love Parting but he's clearly a player that uses abusive builds.As I wrote I watch his stream a lot and I can't think how someone could say that his playstyle is not abusive. I could be completly wrong but I feel like the hate toward Rogue is caused by the fact that Zergs don't really need to go all in to win and are crazy good in ZvP lategame but he still goes for broken strategies like SH + Nydus. IMO the hate is based more on the fact that it's so strong and cannot be defended. The best defense is the counter attack or catch it before the first wave. This was said by Arty and I trust him on this (not sure if in the Group D stream because I am just to watch it but certainly in the past) I also think that after years of SH abuse in HOTS everybody just hate the unit. HOTS SH is a straight up bad design unit. But after the famous HOTS 2015 patch SH is a mechanically different unit that cannot be used in the same way, I cant understand how people fail to see that. SH is a worse version of raven turret harash. Also, if talking about design perspective, zerg needs a comeback unit that is not mutas, and SH is one because is just cost effective but supply intensive, although no zerg yet uses it as one.
It doesn't matter, people hate the unit for its past sins and for the current state. Flying free units with terrible-terrible damage is a unit which will be hated. Add to that the nydus. It's not about being any good in design, the damage was already done and it cannot be saved (IMO).
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I think a reason Nydus SH is hated way more than any abusive protoss strat like Parting’s blink is that Nydus SH is also generally more boring to watch.
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Depends what you define as 'abusive'. I think people often equate the term with 'cheese', but I disagree. To me, 'abusive' means overplaying one's racial/meta advantage. Like playing BL-Infestor during HOTS.
I don't really find Rogue 'abusive' anymore than Classic. They both have a repertoire of clever plays, sometimes going against the meta and truly unconventional.
Rather, I find macro Zerg as abusive for the last 2 years. I'm only a casual viewer. But to me, if a macro Zerg plays perfectly (which doesn't seem that hard), there's almost no way Terran and Protoss can defeat Zerg. That's why I appreciate Rogue and Dark throwing in more cunning builds and plays despite Zerg being so strong in late-game.
It's tough to pin down Protoss players as abusive since they kinda lack options and are arguably forced to play 'abusive' builds because that's the only way they can win. That said, there are players who are clearly not abusive - Stats and Trap. Zest is a bit a borderline case. But Parting? From soul train to blink stalkers... yeah, he's definitely abusive. Fun personality and nostalgia aside, I really can't fathom why people cheer for him so much. His strength is forcing mistakes and going for coin-flips - whilst that may be his most optimal way of winning, I just feel such plays just brings out the worst out of SC2 (i.e. volatility). Sorry, Stats and Trap are the true hopes of Aiur (at least, until Classic returns).
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Because Parting is straight up gangsta and fuck you bitch he in ro8 doing NA ladder builds
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These are some rough matchups. Part of me really wants to see a DRG vs PartinG final. I'd watch that.
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PartinG has incredible micro control and is one of the best players ever in taking fights and skirmishes. His success with using abusive builds is largely the product of his incredible skills and much less the game itself.
There is a reason other Protoss players can't all-in quite like PartinG
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PartinG is a beast with some of the best micro in the whole world.
He uses it not only for offense but also for defense.I've seen some of the best holds ever in his channel.
I think that saying that he only all ins is wrong as well.Sure he prefers to just use some 2-3 base builds but he goes for a macro game (pretty succesfully) more often than you think.He just knows that his biggest strenght is his control and he'd be stupid not to use it to win.
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On July 28 2020 02:37 Kuchikikun wrote:
PartinG is a beast with some of the best micro in the whole world.
He uses it not only for offense but also for defense.I've seen some of the best holds ever in his channel.
I think that saying that he only all ins is wrong as well.Sure he prefers to just use some 2-3 base builds but he goes for a macro game (pretty succesfully) more often than you think.He just knows that his biggest strenght is his control and he'd be stupid not to use it to win.
He can definitely be very successful in macro games (think game 1 vs inno in code s ro16)
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Parting may have the best micro and engagement in the world. So what? Hasn't gotten him a Starleague or Blizzcon victory (or even close to winning one). So the whole 'play-to-win' argument doesn't really excuse nor explain his 'abusive' play-style.
I just see some double standards in people tending to hero-worship Parting whilst trash-talking more successful (and arguably similarly abusive) players like Zest and sOs. He's not even a tragic Kong like soO who has gotten close so many times.
Anyway, my point is that the term 'abusive' gets thrown around to players that one dislikes for purely subjective reasons, and not for any particular credible objective reason.
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