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StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 21:44:37
April 28 2020 21:43 GMT
#21
i dont know about the widow mine: permant cloaked unit with splash damage against both air and ground. outranges most of the zerg units. for 25 gas. now available with hellbat timing. probably makes perfect sense for pro level. imbalanced in diamond league, imo.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 21:47:25
April 28 2020 21:45 GMT
#22
I also would have liked them to change the nydus in some way. In its current form it just feels awful because you get the feeling that the worm supply is never-ending and especially in conjunction with swarm hosts it feels like the first time you mess up the game completely spirals out of control with basically no hope of recovery.

I'd trade the queen nerf for a nydus change.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
April 28 2020 21:47 GMT
#23
On April 29 2020 06:45 Elentos wrote:
I also would have liked them to change the nydus in some way. In its current form it just feels awful because you get the feeling that the worm supply is never-ending and especially in conjunction with swarm hosts it feels like the first time you mess up the game completely spirals out of control with basically no hope of recovery.

Swarm host is fine, but its just a painful unit to deal with. Its made to make your death painful and slow.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
April 28 2020 21:49 GMT
#24
On April 29 2020 06:47 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 06:45 Elentos wrote:
I also would have liked them to change the nydus in some way. In its current form it just feels awful because you get the feeling that the worm supply is never-ending and especially in conjunction with swarm hosts it feels like the first time you mess up the game completely spirals out of control with basically no hope of recovery.

Swarm host is fine, but its just a painful unit to deal with. Its made to make your death painful and slow.

That's why I want to see the nydus changed. I think SH without nydus aren't game breaking but the combination is just no fun to watch or play against.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 28 2020 21:58 GMT
#25
Zerg is probably still quite favored in ZvP with these changes, but will also get absolutely slaughtered in ZvT. And the widow mine change just makes TvP more miserable and revolving around Terran ending it early.

Well at least Blizz is talking to us again.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
April 28 2020 22:04 GMT
#26
On April 29 2020 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Zerg is probably still quite favored in ZvP with these changes, but will also get absolutely slaughtered in ZvT. And the widow mine change just makes TvP more miserable and revolving around Terran ending it early.

Well at least Blizz is talking to us again.


I fail to see how after Protoss gets a significant late game buff in the High Templar and the Queen got nerfed which is a significant nerf for the entire game in addition to the Baneling nerf, that Protoss is still complaining.

These are the biggest changes I've seen for a single match up in a LONG time. The fact people are saying "it's not enough" without testing them is frankly laughable.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
April 28 2020 22:06 GMT
#27
On April 29 2020 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Zerg is probably still quite favored in ZvP with these changes, but will also get absolutely slaughtered in ZvT. And the widow mine change just makes TvP more miserable and revolving around Terran ending it early.

Well at least Blizz is talking to us again.


How is it going to make PvT more difficult if you open robo first?
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
April 28 2020 22:07 GMT
#28
Seems there is also a stealth buff to batteries which lets more than one battery heal a unit simultaneously

blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 28 2020 22:12 GMT
#29
Ok, the widow mine change is weird and low level players are gonna hate it, but tbh, we dealt with invisible mine drops for all of HotS and it was fine. The thing is, nexus overcharge (and pylon overcharge in early LotV) were good failsafes as you could have screw up your army split on the defence and still have a strong defensive ability to make up for it if necessary. Shield batteries are obviously useless against mines so I do see it being harder to defend compared to HotS, but we are also much better players these days with our splits and spotter pylon placements so we'll see. It's not the end of the world by any means.

Really like the queen and bane changes. The bane change is huge and I think that might actually tip the scales for once since I feel like Terran will finally be able to hold their fourth easier. But even if that's the case, I think we'd all rather that they address the matchup with other tools and keep the baneling in its nerfed state.

I'm kind of skeptical about the battery overcharge but it's so hard to predict its strength, just based on numbers alone. I'm also wondering how strong the visual indication is, is it something the opponent can recognise really quickly and snipe off?
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
April 28 2020 22:12 GMT
#30
They seem to still be changing the game so much with every patch, I guess it is time to give it another try.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Rubicant1
Profile Joined October 2019
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 22:25:44
April 28 2020 22:24 GMT
#31
Widow mine change in combination with baneling hp nerf and less effective creep spread + queen anti-air range is going to be pretty apocalyptic for TvZ. Pretty interested to see how badly it plays out at the professional level. Though it's probably needed for ZvP, I don't see how it doesn't completely throw the former out of whack, if you nerf three elements of zerg simultaneously.

Also good luck to ladder players defending mines, haha.

Seems odd how Blizzard does these sweeping changes all at once, instead of incremental tweaks.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
April 28 2020 22:26 GMT
#32
Time to become a streamer ))
Progamer
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 22:44:48
April 28 2020 22:38 GMT
#33
On April 29 2020 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Zerg is probably still quite favored in ZvP with these changes, but will also get absolutely slaughtered in ZvT. And the widow mine change just makes TvP more miserable and revolving around Terran ending it early.

Well at least Blizz is talking to us again.


I fail to see how after Protoss gets a significant late game buff in the High Templar and the Queen got nerfed which is a significant nerf for the entire game in addition to the Baneling nerf, that Protoss is still complaining.

These are the biggest changes I've seen for a single match up in a LONG time. The fact people are saying "it's not enough" without testing them is frankly laughable.


I think you underestimate how deep in a hole Protoss is in ZvP. Infested terrans got removed leading people to think skytoss is viable? Oh it turns out zerg can still deal with it very easily. Nydus/Swarmhost looks crushing against Protoss each time we see it (and is mostly untouched by this patch), and yet it doesn't get played that often since ling/bane/ravager can overrun Protoss with less effort currently.

I do think the changes to creep tumors/baneling and queens are significant. But also that terran is so much better placed to exploit them currently--to the point that I'm not sure how Blizzard can balance both ZvP and ZvT.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
April 28 2020 22:40 GMT
#34
On April 29 2020 07:07 Zaros wrote:
Seems there is also a stealth buff to batteries which lets more than one battery heal a unit simultaneously

https://twitter.com/i/status/1255246884597268489


It cannot be intended... It looks ridiculous
struct__
Profile Joined December 2018
14 Posts
April 28 2020 22:47 GMT
#35
On April 29 2020 07:26 Scarlett` wrote:
Time to become a streamer ))


finally.
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
April 28 2020 22:48 GMT
#36
I think these are all fine, looking forward to it!
Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
April 28 2020 23:05 GMT
#37
On April 29 2020 06:20 Fango wrote:
Queen -1 range, baneling -5 hp, widow mines invis again. HotS TvZ is back?



Don't think so because Thors delete Mutas (they did not back then) and probably some other changes i don't have in mind right now^^

Would love to have that Matchup back though.
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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 28 2020 23:18 GMT
#38
unless you get extremely creative, you will not be able to offensively Battery Overcharge rush your opponents.


translation: unless you're clowning so hard and proxy a nexus in range
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 28 2020 23:24 GMT
#39
On April 29 2020 08:18 mishimaBeef wrote:
Show nested quote +
unless you get extremely creative, you will not be able to offensively Battery Overcharge rush your opponents.


translation: unless you're clowning so hard and proxy a nexus in range


Can't wait to see sOs use his proxy nexus to superpower a shield battery in the opponent's mineral line
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
April 28 2020 23:29 GMT
#40
only baneling nerf goes through the queen nerf is extreme
oracle buff feels like a nerf tho
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