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Keep the discussion in this thread related to IEM Katowice/SC2. General discussion regarding the corona virus outbreak belongs in the General Topic forums. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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Slydie
1883 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:00 maybenexttime wrote: You are clueless. It's mortality rate is a least an order of magnitude higher. A bit of comparison: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Many things go into how dangerous a virus is: how many are getting sick, how contageous it is and mortality rate. The deathrate of Corona is not certain yet, and it varies heavily for different age groups. If we look back at previous red-alert outbreakes, the death tolls never came close to be justified by the hysteria: SARS: 773 EBOLA: 11310 At worst, I think this could reach the death toll that of a seasonal flu, but this is essentially a fear of the unknown. How much of our lives it is worth cancelling for this should absolutely be debated. Fear itself is a health risk. | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
It's not a case of 'safety first', because we all do things that we wouldn't do if our only priority was safety, e.g. driving or crossing the street. Governments allow public events, always which have a risk of causing injury or fatalities to people. The estimated cost of this virus has already reached over $1,000,000,000,000, for a death toll of 2,817. That is fewer people than die in road traffic accidents around the world each day. There may be an increasing number of these viruses in the future. If we cease all economic activity every time it happens, it would have a disastrous impact on the world economy and a lot of people's livelihoods. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:51 Slydie wrote: A bit of comparison: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Many things go into how dangerous a virus is: how many are getting sick, how contageous it is and mortality rate. The deathrate of Corona is not certain yet, and it varies heavily for different age groups. If we look back at previous red-alert outbreakes, the death tolls never came close to be justified by the hysteria: SARS: 773 EBOLA: 11310 At worst, I think this could reach the death toll that of a seasonal flu, but this is essentially a fear of the unknown. How much of our lives it is worth cancelling for this should absolutely be debated. Fear itself is a health risk. Yeah, that's why WHO is alerting, every nation is on alert and China is doing drastic measures. They should have asked you instead  OK, let's be fair: 1) We don't know how covid19 affects unborn child's brain. One of the risks you don't want to underestimate (some epidemics are rather nasty in this way, even flu can be dangerous) 2) Death rate of flu is 0,05 %, death rate of corona is roughly 2 - 3 % so it's not "just a flu" 3) Flu is seasonal. Corona appears to be not. This is (IMO) the prime reason why they want to stop it so it doesn't stay with us forever. Are there bigger killers? For sure. That's why we don't want a new one. | ||
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pzlama333
United States275 Posts
Regarding the new coronavirus, its chance that requires hospitalization, chance to become serious, and death rate is much higher than flu (though lower than SARS and MERS). It may overwhelm health system if left unchecked. | ||
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elluel
62 Posts
I will look into this further with the correct people to see if we can undo this situation. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:51 Slydie wrote: A bit of comparison: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Many things go into how dangerous a virus is: how many are getting sick, how contageous it is and mortality rate. The deathrate of Corona is not certain yet, and it varies heavily for different age groups. If we look back at previous red-alert outbreakes, the death tolls never came close to be justified by the hysteria: SARS: 773 EBOLA: 11310 At worst, I think this could reach the death toll that of a seasonal flu, but this is essentially a fear of the unknown. How much of our lives it is worth cancelling for this should absolutely be debated. Fear itself is a health risk. you're cherry picking data you don't understand from a single article because cluelessly parroting skeptical takes makes you feel enlightened no awareness on your part that the "red alert" in itself and the "hysterical" measures taken to suppress the other outbreaks you mention had a mitigating effect on their impact. your analysis is basically "i remember vaguely similar things happening on two occasions and the world didn't end, so there's no problem." glad you're not a scientist (at least i hope to god) | ||
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Slydie
1883 Posts
On February 28 2020 08:48 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, that's why WHO is alerting, every nation is on alert and China is doing drastic measures. They should have asked you instead OK, let's be fair: 1) We don't know how covid19 affects unborn child's brain. One of the risks you don't want to underestimate (some epidemics are rather nasty in this way, even flu can be dangerous) 2) Death rate of flu is 0,05 %, death rate of corona is roughly 2 - 3 % so it's not "just a flu" 3) Flu is seasonal. Corona appears to be not. This is (IMO) the prime reason why they want to stop it so it doesn't stay with us forever. Are there bigger killers? For sure. That's why we don't want a new one. Is the WHO urging countries to cancel public events, close schools and ban travel? Hell no! As mentioned above, the virus has not even arrived to Poland yet. The 2-3% death rate is FAR from certain, and even if it is at the maximum, it has the highest risk to people who are already hostpitalized from another illnesses, just like any other flu. Smoking kills over 8 million people each year, and over 1 million of those were not smoking themselves. That is your real killer. Banning smoking in the whole event area would be a much more justifiable safety precaution. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:57 Justinian wrote: My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that there have been no officially recognised cases of coronavirus in Poland. If so, this seems like an overreaction by the authorities, as well as being unfair to do it at such a late stage when everyone has already travelled. It's not a case of 'safety first', because we all do things that we wouldn't do if our only priority was safety, e.g. driving or crossing the street. Governments allow public events, always which have a risk of causing injury or fatalities to people. The estimated cost of this virus has already reached over $1,000,000,000,000, for a death toll of 2,817. That is fewer people than die in road traffic accidents around the world each day. There may be an increasing number of these viruses in the future. If we cease all economic activity every time it happens, it would have a disastrous impact on the world economy and a lot of people's livelihoods. The other way to look at it is that ~3000 people have died despite all the money spent/lost. And there's no telling how many times more people would have died if that money hadn't been spent. An enormous pandemic would also have a disastrous impact on the world economy. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 28 2020 08:58 Slydie wrote: many people support bans and restrictions on public smoking and tobacco sales, which have been increasingly legislated for decades. your point makes no sense. cigarettes are cigarettes and epidemiology is epidemiology, two totally different issues with different solutions. you're living in a nonsensical fantasy land where somehow the resources used for studying and combating disease detract from the ability to pass smoking legislationIs the WHO urging countries to cancel public events, close schools and ban travel? Hell no! As mentioned above, the virus has not even arrived to Poland yet. The 2-3% death rate is FAR from certain, and even if it is at the maximum, it has the highest risk to people who are already hostpitalized from another illnesses, just like any other flu. Smoking kills over 8 million people each year, and over 1 million of those were not smoking themselves. That is your real killer. Banning smoking in the whole event area would be a much more justifiable safety precaution. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:23 deacon.frost wrote: They are cautious because there's a lot of uknown while we know shit ton about the flu. So they are overreacting and people are hysterical(at least in Cze, which is in huge contradiction of what our safety precautions look like). But then again, it's a big unknown, let's be safer than sorry. (I was kidding) | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
would be both bizarre and sad as fuck | ||
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vyzion
308 Posts
On February 28 2020 07:51 Slydie wrote: A bit of comparison: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Many things go into how dangerous a virus is: how many are getting sick, how contageous it is and mortality rate. The deathrate of Corona is not certain yet, and it varies heavily for different age groups. If we look back at previous red-alert outbreakes, the death tolls never came close to be justified by the hysteria: SARS: 773 EBOLA: 11310 At worst, I think this could reach the death toll that of a seasonal flu, but this is essentially a fear of the unknown. How much of our lives it is worth cancelling for this should absolutely be debated. Fear itself is a health risk. The tolerance of fear you're referring to is based on incentives - what are the decision makers (in this case the Polish government) willing to put up with. They've compared scenarios and have made their decision. Ultimately, you could be right but that's not the point...and oversimplifying is dangerous in it's own right. | ||
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breaker1328
Canada294 Posts
To give a little perspective, the first confirmed case in Canada came from a traveler returning from China. Makes sense, that's where the virus originated. The latest confirmed case came from a traveler returning from Iran. So, logically, the virus came from a person returning to Iran from China, and then a different person returning to Canada from Iran. How many links are there between China and travelers to Poland? Probably a lot. An asymptomatic infected traveler from any one of the 50 countries with confirmed cases could spread this virus in Poland. When the World Health Organization puts us on alert for a global pandemic, I would think that safe before sorry is a reasonable response. | ||
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Matroid_Prime
Canada59 Posts
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UncleClimax
18 Posts
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DreamlnCode
United Kingdom77 Posts
This is for the well being of everyone and nice to see certain entities acting with responsibility and care. Stay safe people, and most of all be vigilant. | ||
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Rape554
2 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
 First overwatch league in China and Korea and now this. Sad but understandablr | ||
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