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ESL Pro Tour replaces WCS on a 3-year deal - Page 8
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Crocolisk Dundee
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franzji
United States583 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:17 Elentos wrote: A few Koreans under lifted region lock will hardly kill the foreign scene (you could always limit participation since the other regions have limited qualifier spots too), especially since the Korean scene shrinks year by year. 2020 is probably the last year there are enough Korean pros to fill a Ro32 Code S. We should give them as many chances to show themselves as they can, because their scene has much worse chances in the long term than the other regions, especially EU. This isn't much of an argument. Starcraft 2 isn't popular in Korea and it won't grow if Korean players come over the sea to take amateur player's slots in tournaments. We already know this for a fact. The Korean scene did not and does not continue to shrink because of the region lock. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:34 franzji wrote: This isn't much of an argument. Starcraft 2 isn't popular in Korea and it won't grow if Korean players come over the sea to take amateur player's slots in tournaments. We already know this for a fact. The Korean scene did not and does not continue to shrink because of the region lock. Well we are near the end point of any SC2 thread, we already have balance whine and region lock, someone want to talk about GOAT? | ||
Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:05 GTR wrote: i'll be honest, i'm more excited for the warcraft 3 portion of the pro tour. it's a very interesting spot for War3 to be in, because if Netease increases their 2020 War3 prize pool at the same rate as before, ESL Pro Tour might not even be the biggest War3 League of 2020. | ||
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franzji
United States583 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:39 Nakajin wrote: Well we are near the end point of any SC2 thread, we already have balance whine and region lock, someone want to talk about GOAT? Serral is a GOAT yes, but the region lock is pretty relevant to the format in this 3 year announcement. I don't get that guy writing a wall of balance whine in this thread, haha. | ||
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Xamo
Spain886 Posts
I am so happy right now... This is AMAZING | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:34 franzji wrote: This isn't much of an argument. Starcraft 2 isn't popular in Korea and it won't grow if Korean players come over the sea to take amateur player's slots in tournaments. We already know this for a fact. The Korean scene did not and does not continue to shrink because of the region lock. Oh really I said nothing about growing in Korea or shrinking because of region lock. I said since it's dying anyway you might as well let the last few players compete against the rest of the world as often as you can until it's over. It's not a discussion for this year anyway, but for the next. And if the system works as intended, the non-Koreans will make more process forward. And then they will no longer need to be protected by the system, because with another 6 or however many retired Korean pros, the gap will not be Korean vs foreigner anymore but top pro vs regular pro. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 08 2020 05:04 Solar424 wrote: So this is the same as what we've had in the past, except Blizzard doesn't want it at Blizzcon? Not sure why people are treating this as the greatest thing ever, all I see is that Blizzard doesn't want anything to do with SC2, which is a very bad sign. Also, there's still been no word on GSL for this year. It's a 3 year deal and Blizzard is paying for it. If they wanted nothing to do with SC2 they wouldn't have already committed funds (significant funds at that, 2020 will have more money than 2019) for that time frame. There will still be SC2 at Blizzcon. And the World Championship will only improve from being held at Katowice. And GSL news should come soon enough, Blizzard statement is that they're finalizing details atm. | ||
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Marcos49121
3 Posts
reading this and seeing how Apollo is basically mastermind behind all this I'm thinking about TB and how he helped Apollo in his beginnings. This is very far fetched and meant as a joke but basically, through Apollo, TB is keeping his promise to this day + Show Spoiler + "SC2 will live even if I have to support the entire scene with my erect penis." and before anyone points it out - No, Apollo is not erect penis in this case but he definitely has huge cojones | ||
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Jealous
10401 Posts
On January 08 2020 04:34 franzji wrote: This isn't much of an argument. Starcraft 2 isn't popular in Korea and it won't grow if Korean players come over the sea to take amateur player's slots in tournaments. We already know this for a fact. The Korean scene did not and does not continue to shrink because of the region lock. Years down the road, and even in the face of testimony from the people who will be running SC2 for the next 3 years, jingoistic foreigners still scared of Koreans coming from an unequivocably dying competitive scene and knocking out RandomEuropePlayer2678 from a tournament, still valuing nationality over skill. Don't ever change, SC2 community. | ||
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Dingodile
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On January 08 2020 05:17 Jealous wrote: Years down the road, and even in the face of testimony from the people who will be running SC2 for the next 3 years, jingoistic foreigners still scared of Koreans coming from an unequivocably dying competitive scene and knocking out RandomEuropePlayer2678 from a tournament, still valuing nationality over skill. Don't ever change, SC2 community. It’s never really been about nations for me anyway, more having a sustainable flow that talent can progress through. One of eSports main advantages over other activities is a low cost and a low barrier to entry, you don’t need much equipment bar a rig, the internet and some peripherals and you’re good to go. You don’t need to find a local club, pay memberships, etc etc. The Korean pro scene at its peak did stifle things elsewhere by having certain advantages, now the Korean scene is in need of some love and Id like to see that happen too. | ||
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On January 08 2020 05:04 Solar424 wrote: So this is the same as what we've had in the past, except Blizzard doesn't want it at Blizzcon? Not sure why people are treating this as the greatest thing ever, all I see is that Blizzard doesn't want anything to do with SC2, which is a very bad sign. Also, there's still been no word on GSL for this year. Idk how hard you had to try to have a perspective like this.. This is great news for everyone, and while GSL isn't announced yet, it's heavily implied that there will be 3 Korean league champions so there is at least gonna be 3 GSL-esque style tournaments, at the very least. Better prize pool distribution, better point distribution, more offline events, weekly online cups, most likely better production.. | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
 I'll admit I was a little worried about there being any Blizzard involvement/funding whatsoever. | ||
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Jealous
10401 Posts
On January 08 2020 05:46 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s never really been about nations for me anyway, more having a sustainable flow that talent can progress through. One of eSports main advantages over other activities is a low cost and a low barrier to entry, you don’t need much equipment bar a rig, the internet and some peripherals and you’re good to go. You don’t need to find a local club, pay memberships, etc etc. The Korean pro scene at its peak did stifle things elsewhere by having certain advantages, now the Korean scene is in need of some love and Id like to see that happen too. I can respect the desire for development of a local scene, but I do think that doing so in favor of propping up inferior players onto a global stage over other more deserving competitors was a ridiculous idea from the start - particularly, as you said, for a largely online-based competition. I also respect that you specified that for you it has never been about nations (or races, I presume), and I can say the same for myself - if the top 32 players are Korean or residents of some northern Icelandic province, I don't care - I just want to see the best vs. the best to determine who is the best of the best. However, there were many many people who complained about "faceless Koreans" in the lead-up to region locking. So while many people may have felt as you do, quite a few had other, more troubling and jingoistic concerns. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 08 2020 06:03 sneakyfox wrote: Nazgul is teasing that Team Liquid will have "some exciting SC2 news ourselves" later this year. "Later this year" really could mean anything | ||
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zenDO
Spain25 Posts
On January 07 2020 23:42 pzlama333 wrote: "IEM Katowice, starting in 2021, will serve as the “replacement” for BlizzCon" Does it mean that we do not have any sc2 game in Blizzcon at all? Or we simply do not even have Blizzcon? This means SC2 esports at BlizzCon will look different in the future, but it will still be there, and we will share more details about how that will look later. | ||
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