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ESL Pro Tour replaces WCS on a 3-year deal - Page 10
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DubiousC2
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On January 08 2020 08:18 Waxangel wrote: It's an arbitrary judgment, but I'm warning against posting misinformation without checking the original posting which clearly states the actual total for the year, which is ~$1.8m (supplemental info via Apollo's twitter says there's a separate Korean budget on top of this, but I'm not holding that part against you). The OP very clearly states that the $1.8 million is for the entire 2020/21 season, not 2020. The total for 2020 is $1.5 million, which is not misinformation. | ||
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8241 Posts
On January 08 2020 09:53 Solar424 wrote: The OP very clearly states that the $1.8 million is for the entire 2020/21 season, not 2020. The total for 2020 is $1.5 million, which is not misinformation. Which is basically for 2020 because this "gaming year" doesn't end till early 2021. It's like how some companies are already in Q3 2020 for financial reporting even though it's only January 2020. | ||
Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On January 08 2020 09:53 Solar424 wrote: The OP very clearly states that the $1.8 million is for the entire 2020/21 season, not 2020. The total for 2020 is $1.5 million, which is not misinformation. I'm not convinced it's the guy's intent to point out some 'accounting' errors regarding the enddates of the rescheduled season. But I've considering the general amount of confusion regarding budgets (pre-post warchest sums, which region's bucket GSL vs World and IEM Katowice fall into, etc), I'll rescind the warn in retrospect. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16772 Posts
On January 08 2020 09:53 Solar424 wrote: The OP very clearly states that the $1.8 million is for the entire 2020/21 season, not 2020. The total for 2020 is $1.5 million, which is not misinformation. The OP also states it replaces the WCS Circuit. Last year, this is the scope of the WCS Circuit. https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22820917/ Therefore, today's announcement is not enough information to pronounce that we will see a 33% drop in the total SC2 prize pool for 2020 as compared to 2019. I think we'll see a drop in over all total prize money for SC2. I don't think the drop will be as high as 33%. My track record of projections on these matters has been pretty good because I make really boring middle of the road projections. Here is what i projected in early November. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/552468-wcs-2020-discussion?page=3#50 I say the total prize money drops and its by a # lower than 33%. Let's see what happens and revisit this in one year. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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AlexZhang1012
63 Posts
Everything else is all right. | ||
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ooCast1
25 Posts
China Mainland and HK-TW-JP didn't pop off enough in year 2019 though. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States698 Posts
Can someone tell me what this means? Where can I learn more about the state of ownership over the Sc2 franchise? | ||
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HotDOSBuns
Canada172 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On January 08 2020 16:15 ThunderJunk wrote: "With Blizzard no longer in full control of the brand..." Can someone tell me what this means? Where can I learn more about the state of ownership over the Sc2 franchise? I don't know where you found that quote but SC franchise is totally owned by Blizzard. However blizzard in itself is nowadays owned/merged with Activision which means Blizzard cannot just decide themselves what to do because they have owners. From what I've seen Activision seems to exert a lot of Control compared to how it used to be. Looking at how cutthroat Activision has been about cutting costs I really didn't Believe they would invest this heavily into SC2 for 3 more years. Makes me Think that they either have high flying plans for wc3rf or that they have some other plans ahead that would benefit from continous support of SC2 esport. Overall this seems very promising to me, I doubt Blizz would pay out this much for SC2 for 3 more years without a plan ro recoup some of the costs. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
On January 08 2020 16:48 Shuffleblade wrote: I don't know where you found that quote but SC franchise is totally owned by Blizzard. However blizzard in itself is nowadays owned/merged with Activision which means Blizzard cannot just decide themselves what to do because they have owners. From what I've seen Activision seems to exert a lot of Control compared to how it used to be. Looking at how cutthroat Activision has been about cutting costs I really didn't Believe they would invest this heavily into SC2 for 3 more years. Makes me Think that they either have high flying plans for wc3rf or that they have some other plans ahead that would benefit from continous support of SC2 esport. Overall this seems very promising to me, I doubt Blizz would pay out this much for SC2 for 3 more years without a plan ro recoup some of the costs. The full quote from OP is With Blizzard no longer in full control of the brand, Apollo confirmed that ESL and DreamHack would have greater creative freedom, citing IEM Katowice as an example of how talent at Pro Tour events might be given greater license to "mess around and have fun". It is not referring to the game or the brand per se, but of the planning of the events. Blizzard doesn't have the hands on approach anymore, they aren't in full control. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Olli
Austria24418 Posts
On January 08 2020 17:09 Drfilip wrote: The full quote from OP is It is not referring to the game or the brand per se, but of the planning of the events. Blizzard doesn't have the hands on approach anymore, they aren't in full control. Yes, it's not about StarCraft II as a franchise but about the circuit. WCS was a Blizzard product, managed by Blizzard even though third party companies like ESL produced their events. For example, when I worked WCS Montreal production I would get instructions from Mark Olbertz who managed production and talent, ran the show if you will. There was a Blizzard team supervising production, making sure people aligned with their vision and rules, because it was their product. That's why WCS events were very different from something like a HSC or IEM Katowice, because Blizzard wanted WCS to be a more "professional", non-offensive brand. But the Pro Tour is an ESL & Dreamhack product and only funded by Blizzard. There may be specific requirements to fulfill in the contract, but overall the decision on how to run the show and brand the product is now up to ESL and DH. Part of that may be that Blizzard simply don't have the people to do this job anymore now that Marc and Adrian are gone. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 08 2020 03:49 franzji wrote: Apollo is hinting at removing the region lock in future years. Please don't do this. We know from experience that it will only hurt the regions we have worked so hard to build. Don't even give the anti-region lock people a voice. We also know from other esports that we should he region based esports if was want continued success. Just create more international events if you want more Koreans vs. others. What has been built in the foreigner lands exactly? China has a team league savior status. They just lost a spot. What new faces were seen in the top8 of WCS in the past? I was under the impression it's mostly the same people getting the monies, where's the development? I am not following the foreign scene so this is an honest question, can you elaborate and give me some good examples?  The rest was said by Elentos | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25689 Posts
On January 08 2020 17:41 deacon.frost wrote: What has been built in the foreigner lands exactly? China has a team league savior status. They just lost a spot. What new faces were seen in the top8 of WCS in the past? I was under the impression it's mostly the same people getting the monies, where's the development? I am not following the foreign scene so this is an honest question, can you elaborate and give me some good examples? The rest was said by Elentos TIME had a breakout year, Reynor stepped up a level and Elazer had his big GSLvstW run, yeah top 8 was pretty consistent even though Scarlett had a bad year. Clem is shaping up pretty nicely, it’s a tossup between him and Harstem over whose destined to define 2020. Other stuff we’ll never know without access to parallel dimensions. Do Serral and Reynor get to their current level regardless of system, or would they have pursued other avenues if they had to compete with S class Koreans from the start of their careers? What does the Chinese team league act as a saviour for? Many of us pine for a prestige team league but it’s not Proleague or even GSTL in the sense that the teams aren’t developing and training the players. It just seems to be a bunch of rich guys throwing money at the top (mostly Korean) talent of the day and organic growth is something of an afterthought, if it even is a thought at all. Perhaps this year some of the Korean chops will rub off and it’ll raise the level over in China, but it certainly didn’t happen last year. | ||
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