This season's 'group of death' lived up to its name as Stats and Solar saw their recent hot-streaks cut short by the Jin Air duo of Rogue and Maru.
Rogue—who suffered Ro32 elimination in the previous season—was the first to redeem himself, advancing with victories over Stats and Solar. Stats' reputation in PvZ had skyrocketed after his 3-2 victory against Serral at Assembly Summer, but Rogue made short work of him with a two-base Nydus strategy, followed by a hardy defense against a cannon-rush in the next game. While Solar managed to force Rogue to a game three in the winners match, Rogue was able to force his way to quarterfinals with a decisive, Hydra-Lurker-Nydus backdoor attack in the series-clinching game.
Maru—who was also humiliated by an Ro32 exit last season—had a tougher path back to the playoffs. He was instantly humbled in his first game against Solar, whose mastery of Brood Lord-Infestor was too much for even Maru's infamous, nuke-laden, and infinitely patient mech play. After that series ended in a 1-2 loss, Maru was then faced with an elimination match against Stats—the very player who had 3-0'd him at the recent GSL vs. World tournament. Yet, just two weeks later, Maru came back looking like a totally different player. He obliterated Stats with late-game nukes in game one, and then outlasted a series of ever more desperate attacks from Stats in game two.
Facing Solar again in the group decider match, Maru opted to shelve mech for bio-based play. This approach proved to be more effective—although Solar continued to play well, Maru was able to overpower his opponent before he could put together his dreaded end-game composition. After the matches, Maru said his decision to switch to bio was an on-site improvisation. While he had practiced mostly mech (and been quite successful in practice), his comprehensive loss to Solar in his initial match forced him to change strategies.
Group C's results significantly impact the WCS Global Finals race as players look to finish in the top eight. #10 ranked Rogue remains a firm contender to make a push to the cutoff, while Stats sees his hold on the #7 spot grow more tenuous. Unfortunately, #13 Solar will need a Super Tournament 2 championship combined with abject failure from his rivals to secure a Global Finals spot.
The Code S round of sixteen will conclude on Saturday, Sep 07 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) with Group D, featuring Classic, RagnaroK, Dear, and Zest. The Code S quarterfinals will be held soon after between September 10th and 11th (check out Liquipedia for more information).
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
On September 05 2019 08:18 NExt wrote: Holy shit. I'm sure Maru could smash anyone in the last group. Then semifinals Keen or Trap ... Another Maru finals?!?!
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Question is if their decision making would be this good under the pressure at game
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Question is if their decision making would be this good under the pressure at game
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Question is if their decision making would be this good under the pressure at game
Lambo said one week before GSL vs World, that as long as Elazer isnt shitting himselve, he has a good shoot at whinnig vs Dark. But that foreigners shitting themselves, when playing against koreans is a real problem.. So we dont know, I suppose. I actually hope, that the good showings of EU ZvZ will actually release some pressure in the games from the EU Zergs, so that the Korean Zergs adapt and go for EU strats. Seeing Rogue and Solar going for like 20+ Zerglings at the same time opting to go for full out attack, knowing, that it would the defenders advantage would be increadible hugh, was just cringy. If any of those 2 just made like 5 extra drones and then made the lings after scouting the attacked, either of them would have won right then and there.
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Question is if their decision making would be this good under the pressure at game
Lambo said one week before GSL vs World, that as long as Elazer isnt shitting himselve, he has a good shoot at whinnig vs Dark. But that foreigners shitting themselves, when playing against koreans is a real problem.. So we dont know, I suppose. I actually hope, that the good showings of EU ZvZ will actually release some pressure in the games from the EU Zergs, so that the Korean Zergs adapt and go for EU strats. Seeing Rogue and Solar going for like 20+ Zerglings at the same time opting to go for full out attack, knowing, that it would the defenders advantage would be increadible hugh, was just cringy. If any of those 2 just made like 5 extra drones and then made the lings after scouting the attacked, either of them would have won right then and there.
And if Dark didn't fuck up it would have been probably 3:0, this is a two way street and you can't say this based on 1 game. Otherwise I pick up soO vs Serral where soO of all people stopped him.
Edit> You can't make such claims with region lock, but Solar went into finals of ROG, soO won IEM, sure, Dark fucked up, but that's 1 game of a player who's known as the foreigner killer(at least of those who are not named Serral). Rogue was slumping hard, who else do we have?
On September 05 2019 08:18 NExt wrote: Holy shit. I'm sure Maru could smash anyone in the last group. Then semifinals Keen or Trap ... Another Maru finals?!?!
Classic may have something to say about that.
Honestly, for me Keen and Trap are both potentially big threats to Maru anyway. I mean, Maru might be back for real and take it all, but there are real threats everywhere, imo.
I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
Classic is 2747 elo vT on aligulac whereas KeeN is 2413, so I doubt it, especially in a bo7...
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
Well I didn't see the entirety of the games but there was warp prism involved and it's been nerfed for protoss afaik, so it had an influence on the outcome.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
Classic is 2747 elo vT on aligulac whereas KeeN is 2413, so I doubt it, especially in a bo7...
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
Well I didn't see the entirety of the games but there was warp prism involved and it's been nerfed for protoss afaik, so it had an influence on the outcome.
It would be a bo5, Maru can't meet Keen in the finals; Aligulac takes time to register changes in level of play and the elo rating in a certain matchup is loosely tied to the overall rating anyway.
In the last months, Classic struggled in PvT in online cups, went 3-3 against Special and lost 0-2 to none other than Keen in Code S; Maru seems unstoppable in bo5+ against Protoss, Classic already failed to stop him once.
Keen, on the other hand, is a TvT specialist and historically is a tough opponent for Maru(whose worst matchup happens to be TvT, too); also, Keen has seemed a very good player recently, displaying a 5-0 combined demolition of Innovation, for example.
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. That's most of foreigners theorycrafting Korean games and then losing to 3 oracles. I'm sure Koreans could rip WCS games apart on their streams too if they had an inferiority complex to overcome.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
Classic is 2747 elo vT on aligulac whereas KeeN is 2413, so I doubt it, especially in a bo7...
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
Well I didn't see the entirety of the games but there was warp prism involved and it's been nerfed for protoss afaik, so it had an influence on the outcome.
It would be a bo5, Maru can't meet Keen in the finals; Aligulac takes time to register changes in level of play and the elo rating in a certain matchup is loosely tied to the overall rating anyway.
In the last months, Classic struggled in PvT in online cups, went 3-3 against Special and lost 0-2 to none other than Keen in Code S; Maru seems unstoppable in bo5+ against Protoss, Classic already failed to stop him once.
Keen, on the other hand, is a TvT specialist and historically is a tough opponent for Maru(whose worst matchup happens to be TvT, too); also, Keen has seemed a very good player recently, displaying a 5-0 combined demolition of Innovation, for example.
Keen is 4-15 in map vs Maru and the only time he has beaten Maru offline he was then promptly beaten back in the same GSL group to get eliminated, I wouldn't say he's a historically tough opponent. Although he does seem very much in form atm.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
Classic is 2747 elo vT on aligulac whereas KeeN is 2413, so I doubt it, especially in a bo7...
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
Well I didn't see the entirety of the games but there was warp prism involved and it's been nerfed for protoss afaik, so it had an influence on the outcome.
It would be a bo5, Maru can't meet Keen in the finals; Aligulac takes time to register changes in level of play and the elo rating in a certain matchup is loosely tied to the overall rating anyway.
In the last months, Classic struggled in PvT in online cups, went 3-3 against Special and lost 0-2 to none other than Keen in Code S; Maru seems unstoppable in bo5+ against Protoss, Classic already failed to stop him once.
Keen, on the other hand, is a TvT specialist and historically is a tough opponent for Maru(whose worst matchup happens to be TvT, too); also, Keen has seemed a very good player recently, displaying a 5-0 combined demolition of Innovation, for example.
Keen is 4-15 in map vs Maru and the only time he has beaten Maru offline he was then promptly beaten back in the same GSL group to get eliminated, I wouldn't say he's a historically tough opponent. Although he does seem very much in form atm.
Uh, I remembered Keen faring better against Maru. I am still convinced he would be a nasty opponent at the moment(I'd expect to see Trap advance, in any of case).
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. That's most of foreigners theorycrafting Korean games and then losing to 3 oracles. I'm sure Koreans could rip WCS games apart on their streams too if they had an inferiority complex to overcome.
Oracles in ZvZ? That's the only matchup we are speaking of.
After BlizzCon 2018, korean Zerg are down 7-8 in bo3 in Premier tournaments against non korean Zerg, Serral excluded; if we add bo1 and HSC XIX you have to factor in a 5-2 for koreans, but if we take Serral into consideration, a whopping 1-9 magically appears.
Since koreans are generally stronger players than non koreans, even or unfavorable stats in ZvZ advocate for the latter having better understanding of the matchup.
On September 05 2019 13:13 col_jung wrote: Maru is still a monster. Those GG nukes against Stats and the first game in the final decider against Solar...wow.
Yeah, but his realy bad Siege up timings looked worrysome. When HE finally fixed that, he became pretty much unstopable.. No mention of the cringy strategies of Korean ZvZ? Even when whatching, I could allready see Elazer and Lambo picking pretty much every decision made there apart. This didn t look like Korean ZvZ < Eu ZvZ, but K ZvZ <<<<<< Eu ZvZ.
ROLF Lambo xD I understand that Elazer is boosted after his win vs Dark but Lambo?????? Welp
They actually both analyse gsl replays on stream. I ve talked about decision making and strategies, not the execution. And in the further EU Zergs are vastly superior than Korean Zergs. That Korean Z vs EU Z can still be a close game is due to better controls on the Korean side only.
Question is if their decision making would be this good under the pressure at game
Lambo said one week before GSL vs World, that as long as Elazer isnt shitting himselve, he has a good shoot at whinnig vs Dark. But that foreigners shitting themselves, when playing against koreans is a real problem.. So we dont know, I suppose. I actually hope, that the good showings of EU ZvZ will actually release some pressure in the games from the EU Zergs, so that the Korean Zergs adapt and go for EU strats. Seeing Rogue and Solar going for like 20+ Zerglings at the same time opting to go for full out attack, knowing, that it would the defenders advantage would be increadible hugh, was just cringy. If any of those 2 just made like 5 extra drones and then made the lings after scouting the attacked, either of them would have won right then and there.
And if Dark didn't fuck up it would have been probably 3:0, this is a two way street and you can't say this based on 1 game. Otherwise I pick up soO vs Serral where soO of all people stopped him.
Edit> You can't make such claims with region lock, but Solar went into finals of ROG, soO won IEM, sure, Dark fucked up, but that's 1 game of a player who's known as the foreigner killer(at least of those who are not named Serral). Rogue was slumping hard, who else do we have?
Dont forget Elazer was also the first foreigner to wreck Dark back in 2017 blizzcon to end his "foreigner killer" streak (If i remember correctly
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Keen has a better chanche against Maru than Classic, at the moment.
Classic is 2747 elo vT on aligulac whereas KeeN is 2413, so I doubt it, especially in a bo7...
Lets be clear, a 2 base swarmhost and a fail cannon rush have nothing to do with new patches.
Well I didn't see the entirety of the games but there was warp prism involved and it's been nerfed for protoss afaik, so it had an influence on the outcome.
It would be a bo5, Maru can't meet Keen in the finals; Aligulac takes time to register changes in level of play and the elo rating in a certain matchup is loosely tied to the overall rating anyway.
In the last months, Classic struggled in PvT in online cups, went 3-3 against Special and lost 0-2 to none other than Keen in Code S; Maru seems unstoppable in bo5+ against Protoss, Classic already failed to stop him once.
Keen, on the other hand, is a TvT specialist and historically is a tough opponent for Maru(whose worst matchup happens to be TvT, too); also, Keen has seemed a very good player recently, displaying a 5-0 combined demolition of Innovation, for example.
Keen is 4-15 in map vs Maru and the only time he has beaten Maru offline he was then promptly beaten back in the same GSL group to get eliminated, I wouldn't say he's a historically tough opponent. Although he does seem very much in form atm.
and if I recall correctly, this was in the short period, where mass cyclone was the only way to go in TvT. and somehow Maru missed this meta.
Maru's TvP looked outstanding. The new EMP might change this match up drastically. But he also looked still off vs. Solar. Even on Cobalt he lost so many Marines due late pick up... and really bad mistakes overall. I think he's still in a slump.
On September 05 2019 20:27 Poopi wrote: I'd say Maru is 55-45% vs Classic (ok maybe 60-40 since this is bo5+ playoff), 75-25% vs KeeN and 55-45% vs Trap. Him making the finals is possible but it'll still be very hard.
And Classic isn't guaranteed a top 1 spot in group D, I could see Dear taking him out or even ragnarok since the patch seems to benefit zerg enough for Rogue to smash Stats.
Lets not forget that when Rogue is in form his ZvP is practically unwinnable for protoss. And he seems to be getting to a good shape
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
And again, Maru has to get there, while he's bulding the Academy sooner nowadays it's still not that soon. e.g. this upgrade wouldn't have mattered against Patience back then.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
Well I'm pretty sure terran Neeb is as good as protoss Neeb. Not as successful though (maybe he would have given time?)
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
Well I'm pretty sure terran Neeb is as good as protoss Neeb. Not as successful though (maybe he would have given time?)
Probably would be interesting to see, same as Terran Classic
But we can all agree that Terran Serral would still dominated the circuit scene same as last year. Even Dark agreed Terran Serral plays very clean
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
Well I'm pretty sure terran Neeb is as good as protoss Neeb. Not as successful though (maybe he would have given time?)
Probably would be interesting to see, same as Terran Classic
But we can all agree that Terran Serral would still dominated the circuit scene same as last year. Even Dark agreed Terran Serral plays very clean
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
Well I'm pretty sure terran Neeb is as good as protoss Neeb. Not as successful though (maybe he would have given time?)
But we can all agree that Terran Serral would still dominated the circuit scene same as last year. Even Dark agreed Terran Serral plays very clean
Lmao this is based of what? Serral's skills and playstyle fit perfectly for zerg. Just because he has good mechanics doesn't mean anything. He chose to switch and stay with zerg for a reason, same with Neeb and protoss.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
So much balance whine already while only Maru is qualified for BlizzCon among KR terrans so far while there are currently 5 protoss. We could wait a bit before reaching conclusions.
Hopefully TY / Rogue both manage to qualify for BlizzCon.
Ever think that the other KR Terrans are just simply not good enough? But of course blame/whine about terran underpowered etc.
Circuit has 3 Terrans going to Blizzcon, why didn't you mention that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda
Bringing up circuit terrans doesn't really strengthen your point since the last foreign terran who won anything was uthermal in 2016.
Just proves my point
There are less talented Terran players in general.
Wake me up when there is a Foreign player that is as good as Serral or even Neeb. You could make a case that Special=Neeb (this year), but I wouldn't disagree too much to argue about it.
Well I'm pretty sure terran Neeb is as good as protoss Neeb. Not as successful though (maybe he would have given time?)
But we can all agree that Terran Serral would still dominated the circuit scene same as last year. Even Dark agreed Terran Serral plays very clean
Lmao this is based of what? Serral's skills and playstyle fit perfectly for zerg. Just because he has good mechanics doesn't mean anything. He chose to switch and stay with zerg for a reason, same with Neeb and protoss.
On September 06 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: If maru loses to a Protoss from here on out I'll eat my hat
There is no way maru loses with this new EMP
Maru basically has Psionic storm on steroids to use against Protoss.
And again, Maru has to get there, while he's bulding the Academy sooner nowadays it's still not that soon. e.g. this upgrade wouldn't have mattered against Patience back then.
stim research time makes the window of attack against terrans who open with tech more narrow, which absolutely 100% matters against patience. for example terrans are experimenting more since the patch with hellion drops and 6-8 hellion openings because they are more stable with faster stim
EPT
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/2019/codes3/s3reversalbanner.jpg)
