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Reynor defeats Serral 4-2 to win WCS Summer 2019 - Page 2

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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
July 15 2019 08:57 GMT
#21
Congrats to Reynor. I bet CynicalDeath is just bouncing off the walls :D.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
July 15 2019 09:15 GMT
#22
This is good! Gives Serral a reason to keep improving and not just sitting pretty on his throne

To the games:

Serral had a bit of an IdrA GG timing that one game. He does that from time to time, but mostly when it's the first game of a series and he doesn't want to fight a lenghty game from a losing position.

Game 4 was crazy, definitely have to rewatch this. Felt like Serral wasn't using his Vipers and Lurkers correctly.

Serral eating more biles in this series than in the whole 2018 is a bit strange too. Seemed a bit tired while Reynor was full in the flow.
Really well played by Reynor, congratz on making Blizzcon and winning this clutch series!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
July 15 2019 09:17 GMT
#23
Indeeed Game 1 wtf and the end of last game was a bit anti-climatic. Overall really happy for having a new foreigner King.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 10:10:08
July 15 2019 10:08 GMT
#24
I think the suggestion to include Serral in Top 10/20 for the best player all the time is still questionable.
Whoever do not bother to play in code s type of tournament for whatever reason, must be excluded from this placing unless all Koreans have chance to play at foreign scene tournament. Serral benefited much by not engaging with a tone of Koreans in the long-span weeks of ro16-ro32. During this span of weeks, his opponents may study to overthrow him out of brackets since they knew the brackets at least a week before just like what happenned to Innovation recently or Maru in the last season of Code S.

When many of Sc2 fans criticize Rogue heavily since he kept losing after he won IEM & Blizzcon, there was a question mark whether he was worth of been placed as one of the best player all the time. The only the title that he miss is Code S. Let say, he won Code S but suddenly he start crumbling again. He looked unbeatable in some instance of time, but looked unimpressed in some other time. Do he still count as the best player of all-the time? Why the similar treatment not imposed to Serral? Serral didn't win the IEM, but Rogue did afterwards.





Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 15 2019 10:32 GMT
#25
On July 15 2019 19:08 swarminfestor wrote:
I think the suggestion to include Serral in Top 10/20 for the best player all the time is still questionable.
Whoever do not bother to play in code s type of tournament for whatever reason, must be excluded from this placing unless all Koreans have chance to play at foreign scene tournament. Serral benefited much by not engaging with a tone of Koreans in the long-span weeks of ro16-ro32. During this span of weeks, his opponents may study to overthrow him out of brackets since they knew the brackets at least a week before just like what happenned to Innovation recently or Maru in the last season of Code S.

When many of Sc2 fans criticize Rogue heavily since he kept losing after he won IEM & Blizzcon, there was a question mark whether he was worth of been placed as one of the best player all the time. The only the title that he miss is Code S. Let say, he won Code S but suddenly he start crumbling again. He looked unbeatable in some instance of time, but looked unimpressed in some other time. Do he still count as the best player of all-the time? Why the similar treatment not imposed to Serral? Serral didn't win the IEM, but Rogue did afterwards.







Serral is way more consistent than Rogue, he translated from winning every tournament to losing finals(which itself is a good result, many great players have more silvers than titles) while hasn't reached another one yet and recently entered a severe slump(advancing to ro16 in Code S probably means he is back, tho).

Everyone is already trying to study Serral in order to beat him, there is no risk he gets unnoticed; thus said, I think most of us want to see him play in Code S and we can just hope he decides to try.

However, excluding Serral from a GOAT list because he didn't play GSL seems arbitrary, he plays WCS Circuit, he is not korean after all; also, not playing a tournament is surely not worse than repeatedly losing relatively early in said tournament(like Rogue did).


Parser
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy87 Posts
July 15 2019 10:42 GMT
#26
On July 15 2019 19:08 swarminfestor wrote:
I think the suggestion to include Serral in Top 10/20 for the best player all the time is still questionable.
Whoever do not bother to play in code s type of tournament for whatever reason, must be excluded from this placing unless all Koreans have chance to play at foreign scene tournament. Serral benefited much by not engaging with a tone of Koreans in the long-span weeks of ro16-ro32. During this span of weeks, his opponents may study to overthrow him out of brackets since they knew the brackets at least a week before just like what happenned to Innovation recently or Maru in the last season of Code S.

When many of Sc2 fans criticize Rogue heavily since he kept losing after he won IEM & Blizzcon, there was a question mark whether he was worth of been placed as one of the best player all the time. The only the title that he miss is Code S. Let say, he won Code S but suddenly he start crumbling again. He looked unbeatable in some instance of time, but looked unimpressed in some other time. Do he still count as the best player of all-the time? Why the similar treatment not imposed to Serral? Serral didn't win the IEM, but Rogue did afterwards.






I don't think this reasoning has any sense. Maybe it could have before GSL vs the World 2018. After that Serral has been in the radar of every top progamer. If any of them, especially the Koreans, that have historically been extremely good at studying their opponent, has not studied its gameplay (and to be clear i do not think that anyone of the blizzcon 2018 finalists or IEM 2019 and WESG 2019 participant has not studied Serral) that's their fault. The fact is that Serral mantains an insane winrate against top koreans from gls vs the world 2018. Furthermore, Koreans have always been very proud of their supremacy, so it is almost sure that they actively prepare to take him down.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
July 15 2019 11:06 GMT
#27
And now Dark will study the shit out of Reynors play to finally beat Serral xD
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Uolokio
Profile Joined April 2019
5 Posts
July 15 2019 11:28 GMT
#28
It's rather funny that both serral and reynor started with a zvz and then reynor had to beat terrans and serral protosses to finally meet
DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
July 15 2019 12:17 GMT
#29
Yolo a-move. Got to love this. So happy for Reynor that we have a different champion this time.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 13:49:08
July 15 2019 13:49 GMT
#30
I feel like Serral's lategame was worse than usual in this series. Usually he is really scary when he hits his first max and is great at roach burrow play and multi prong attacks but he wasn't really able to showcase that very much this time. That said, grats to Reynor, he has cemented himself as a very strong player, comparable the level of some top Koreans. I kind of hope the next finals won't be another ZvZ between them but they always make great finals so it wouldn't be so bad either.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1195 Posts
July 15 2019 14:05 GMT
#31
Sad for Serral but 2nd place is great too, considering he can reach it this often. Some too early ggs though now, especially the one vs ShoWTimE. Congrats to Reynor for finally taking home a WCS trophy, I'm eager to see him at Global Finals.
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
July 15 2019 14:21 GMT
#32
Those early GGs by Serral felt to me more like 2017 than 2018.
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The Taxman
Profile Joined July 2018
37 Posts
July 15 2019 14:42 GMT
#33
I love Serral and all but I really think we needed someone to beat him in WCS! So glad for Reynor! A bright kid indeed
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 15 2019 14:48 GMT
#34
On July 15 2019 20:06 Harris1st wrote:
And now Dark will study the shit out of Reynors play to finally beat Serral xD

Step 1: don't get glial reconstitution
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
fededevi
Profile Joined April 2018
Italy45 Posts
July 15 2019 15:16 GMT
#35
On July 15 2019 23:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 20:06 Harris1st wrote:
And now Dark will study the shit out of Reynors play to finally beat Serral xD

Step 1: don't get glial reconstitution


Step 2: YOLO F2 + A Move
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
July 15 2019 15:21 GMT
#36
One thing is obvious. Protoss must be nerfed more.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 15 2019 15:23 GMT
#37
On July 16 2019 00:16 fededevi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 23:48 Elentos wrote:
On July 15 2019 20:06 Harris1st wrote:
And now Dark will study the shit out of Reynors play to finally beat Serral xD

Step 1: don't get glial reconstitution


Step 2: YOLO F2 + A Move

Step 3: If you started Glial Reconstitution by mistake, make sure your opponent kills it.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
July 15 2019 15:34 GMT
#38
Ooof, was a rough couple of days for me. First (tennis spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Serena, then Federer
, then Serral.

Grats to Reynor though! He's a beast, and I hope he is able to find some consistency against Korean competition.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 15 2019 15:46 GMT
#39
King Artur almost had Reynor too, that would've probably meant Heromarine in the grand finals. The skill level at the top seems extremely close, I don't think Reynor and Serral are way above the rest.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 16:36:17
July 15 2019 16:16 GMT
#40
Shame about the finals, but other than that a decently interesting tournament

On July 16 2019 00:46 Musicus wrote:
King Artur almost had Reynor too, that would've probably meant Heromarine in the grand finals. The skill level at the top seems extremely close, I don't think Reynor and Serral are way above the rest.

Well, Reynor certainly isn't.
why even
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