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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On July 15 2019 17:41 HsDLTitich wrote: Still thinking about the F2 A-move yolo moment in game 4 I still don't understand what went through his mind: "I just lost my hive and third, time to kill him". Forza Italia! :D | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On July 16 2019 01:16 D-light wrote: Shame about the finals, but other than that a decently interesting tournament Well, Reynor certainly isn't. And yet he blazed through HM and Serral. | ||
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Aceii
Germany83 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/qnXgUpm.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/XzXhjLH.png) Data from www.fuzic.nl. Edit: Please note that fuzic apparently had a few problems at the end of day 3.This can be seen in the graph at https://www.fuzic.nl/events/54106-wcs/ | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Finally, someday in a dark future people will really pick a winning race. We all can celebrate the Victory Day, when Protoss race was wiped out, and an era and the phase of the real game that will finally begin. Xel'naga will balance the struggle, and keep Protoss cemetaries tidy and beautiful. 4th race requested. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
End of cry. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
Reynor doesn't fear him and it shows. skill-wise I don't think the other top foreigners are that much worse than Reynor. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 16 2019 03:49 Charoisaur wrote: The reason Reynor is the one who threatens Serral the most is because he's confident against him. The other foreigners are shitting their pants when they play vs Serral and do way more mistakes than usual (looking at you Neeb and Showtime). Reynor doesn't fear him and it shows. skill-wise I don't think the other top foreigners are that much worse than Reynor. How comes then that Reynor reaches finals that often? He does so by regularly beating the players are basically as skilled as he is his; top european Terran don't fear Reynor and consider him just another good player but facts point towards the opposite direction. So Neeb is afraid of Serral? He is still ahead in their head to head and was on a 5-0(2-0) streak before yesterday... To threaten Serral you need enough skill to beat him consistently, attitude plays a role for sure but I think it's not pivotal as you are implying. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
On July 16 2019 04:01 Xain0n wrote: How comes then that Reynor reaches finals that often? He does so by regularly beating the players are basically as skilled as he is his; top european Terran don't fear Reynor and consider him just another good player but facts point towards the opposite direction. but he also loses often to other players. HSC 0-3 to Heromarine, WESG lost to Neeb, IEM got eliminated by Creator, WCS spring qualifier lost to uthermal, HSC XVIII lost to Cure. not bad at all, but he doesn't seem to be a step above the other top europeans except for his matches against Serral. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On July 16 2019 02:07 Fran_ wrote: I still don't understand what went through his mind: "I just lost my hive and third, time to kill him". Forza Italia! :D Well, at that point, Reynor knew there was no way he could win a macro game any more, because of the various moderate-loss engagements that would happen. Basically, imagine that Reynor and Serrel continue to skirmish in this scenario. Both players lose 40 food of army, back off, and remax. Serrel can remax on good units, hive tech units, etc. Reynor is forced to re-max on whatever units he still has buildings for, while also spending resources to tech back up to Hive if he wants to re-max on good units. There's no route to victory for Reynor there. Reynor's only chance is a single decisive engagement that he wins by a large amount, fought at Serrel's base, where he can immediately follow it up by taking out multiple hatches and cutting off reinforcements. At this moment, both are at 200 food - Reynor actually has about 30 more army supply since he lost 30 drones and rebuilt them as roaches or something - and this is the only time for the rest of the game that Reynor will be on even footing with Serrel, so he tried to force a decisive engagement, succeeded, knocked out Serrels' hatches and such, and won the game. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 16 2019 04:09 Charoisaur wrote: but he also loses often to other players. HSC 0-3 to Heromarine, WESG lost to Neeb, IEM got eliminated by Creator, WCS spring qualifier lost to uthermal, HSC XVIII lost to Cure. not bad at all, but he doesn't seem to be a step above the other top europeans except for his matches against Serral. Reynor is not one unreachable juggernaut the way Serral is, he plays minor tournaments and he loses way more often; I would say Reynor is a primus inter pares, his WCS results are the best if we exclude Serral. | ||
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darklycid
3371 Posts
On July 16 2019 04:19 Xain0n wrote: Reynor is not one unreachable juggernaut the way Serral is, he plays minor tournaments and he loses way more often; I would say Reynor is a primus inter pares, his WCS results are the best if we exclude Serral. Neeb won 3/4 WCS 2017 i'd still rank him higher than reynor in wcs. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 16 2019 04:34 darklycid wrote: Neeb won 3/4 WCS 2017 i'd still rank him higher than reynor in wcs. I meant only since Reynor started playing WCS. He could not even play in 2017! | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On July 16 2019 04:12 Blazinghand wrote: Well, at that point, Reynor knew there was no way he could win a macro game any more, because of the various moderate-loss engagements that would happen. Basically, imagine that Reynor and Serrel continue to skirmish in this scenario. Both players lose 40 food of army, back off, and remax. Serrel can remax on good units, hive tech units, etc. Reynor is forced to re-max on whatever units he still has buildings for, while also spending resources to tech back up to Hive if he wants to re-max on good units. There's no route to victory for Reynor there. Reynor's only chance is a single decisive engagement that he wins by a large amount, fought at Serrel's base, where he can immediately follow it up by taking out multiple hatches and cutting off reinforcements. At this moment, both are at 200 food - Reynor actually has about 30 more army supply since he lost 30 drones and rebuilt them as roaches or something - and this is the only time for the rest of the game that Reynor will be on even footing with Serrel, so he tried to force a decisive engagement, succeeded, knocked out Serrels' hatches and such, and won the game. Totally. I'm admiring the mental fortitude of being in that situation and going for it, instead of giving up on that game (as it happened to Serral vs Showtime for example). | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
Now don’t misunderstand me here EU has proven that they have the most top tier players outside Korea... but they also could go to most of these events. Circuit points this year are all being earned in the EU region with the exception of Montreal: Katowice, Kiev x2 and throw in a surprise stop in Finland with two months’ notice. It’s nearly impossible for non-EU players that don’t have deep pocketed sponsors to play in these tournaments, so while I think the best players are in fact winning, the format feels very rigged for them. 👀 | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On July 16 2019 05:51 Fran_ wrote: Totally. I'm admiring the mental fortitude of being in that situation and going for it, instead of giving up on that game (as it happened to Serral vs Showtime for example). Why would he give up though? He had bigger army and some remnants of economy. It was enough to do a 1.5 of a push. This is the classic issue of a person who harasses but doesn't kill. If you do it when there's no bank - that's great. if your enemy has a bank you risk he fills the missing workers by units and at that point you're facing an army that's bigger than yours. Your only way to win then is to defend perfectly. I'm quite surprised that so many people were surprised, this is IMO very common for Protoss players in PvT who play defensively. When they go - fuck this, f2, victory awaits. It's similarish to "oh, you just killed my 2 bases and lost an army for that, how about I destroy you instead of rebuilding my bases?"  | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
first trophy ceremony that made me smile since innovation smelling his 2nd place flowers. serral great sportsman, reynor so likable. | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On July 16 2019 06:46 deacon.frost wrote: Why would he give up though? He had bigger army and some remnants of economy. It was enough to do a 1.5 of a push. This is the classic issue of a person who harasses but doesn't kill. If you do it when there's no bank - that's great. if your enemy has a bank you risk he fills the missing workers by units and at that point you're facing an army that's bigger than yours. Your only way to win then is to defend perfectly. I'm quite surprised that so many people were surprised, this is IMO very common for Protoss players in PvT who play defensively. When they go - fuck this, f2, victory awaits. It's similarish to "oh, you just killed my 2 bases and lost an army for that, how about I destroy you instead of rebuilding my bases?" Why would Serral give up on game 1 vs Showtime? He still did. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6691 Posts
On July 16 2019 10:27 Fran_ wrote: Why would Serral give up on game 1 vs Showtime? He still did. Maybe he was sure he would win anyway  The viewer numbers are a bit disappointing. Sure it's summer and a lot of people have better things to do (what the hell is even better than watching Starcraft all day??!!?? ) Still, the stops last year are even or above. I thought overall numbers would go up/ be higher this year | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On July 16 2019 03:02 UnLarva wrote: Zergs must overrule Europe first, only after then they can inject an idea to wider foreign and Korean audiences: Toss must be obliterated. With all costs. Finally, someday in a dark future people will really pick a winning race. We all can celebrate the Victory Day, when Protoss race was wiped out, and an era and the phase of the real game that will finally begin. Xel'naga will balance the struggle, and keep Protoss cemetaries tidy and beautiful. 4th race requested. Zergs don't need to overrule Europe for Toss to be wiped from the game. The Blizzard balance team are managing that just fine on their own | ||
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