• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:41
CEST 16:41
KST 23:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 20258Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder1EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced26BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Afreeca app available on Samsung smart TV [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
How many questions are in the Publix survey?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 629 users

Disasterpiece Theater: Flash vs Curious (2015-08-14) - Pag…

Forum Index > SC2 General
78 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
April 25 2019 23:06 GMT
#21
On April 26 2019 06:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
I guess I'm strange, I liked a lot of the TvZ games during this era >_>

then again, most of them involved ByuL.

That's probably because ByuL was the just about only Zerg player who stood a chance against mech in 2015, everyone else just died.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
April 25 2019 23:07 GMT
#22
Wait, ok, there's gotta be room in this series for
(yes, soulkey vs reality).

The same style actually winning can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwdfrlVA1_4, or the SK-reality rematch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJDw-mffaK0, which can help contextualize the game above.

Surely there's room in your sadistic hearts for such a great game? I remembered watching that game live lol
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
April 26 2019 00:21 GMT
#23
HOTS nearly killed SC2.

David Kim and Dustin Browder made some serious mistakes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 06:21:11
April 26 2019 00:43 GMT
#24
The fact that Iron Fortress, Coda, and Cactus Valley all have similar tilesets really makes all these games nicely meld into one another.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 26 2019 06:02 GMT
#25
What happened to 4-player maps anyway? Are they phased out of modern competitive play?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 06:21:06
April 26 2019 06:20 GMT
#26
On April 26 2019 15:02 Arceus wrote:
What happened to 4-player maps anyway? Are they phased out of modern competitive play?

12 worker start makes the random factor of scouting very hard to overcome + positional imbalance has been at last aknowledged as not fair.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
April 26 2019 08:23 GMT
#27
On April 26 2019 09:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
HOTS nearly killed SC2.

David Kim and Dustin Browder made some serious mistakes.


HOTS was very difficult to watch and boring to follow. I tried a few times to get into it, and it did not work for me.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 26 2019 08:30 GMT
#28
On April 26 2019 17:23 Proko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 09:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
HOTS nearly killed SC2.

David Kim and Dustin Browder made some serious mistakes.


HOTS was very difficult to watch and boring to follow. I tried a few times to get into it, and it did not work for me.

Wasn't hots the time Maruders raining over colossus? That was my favorite time of starcraft 2, pure bliss.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 26 2019 09:18 GMT
#29
FUCK YEA
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1240 Posts
April 26 2019 09:56 GMT
#30
Loved playing mech during this era, and it was hilarious to watch. Hi Dzerzhinsky if you're still around
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 15:15:02
April 26 2019 15:13 GMT
#31
On April 26 2019 17:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 17:23 Proko wrote:
On April 26 2019 09:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
HOTS nearly killed SC2.

David Kim and Dustin Browder made some serious mistakes.


HOTS was very difficult to watch and boring to follow. I tried a few times to get into it, and it did not work for me.

Wasn't hots the time Maruders raining over colossus? That was my favorite time of starcraft 2, pure bliss.

That was like 6-8 months of over 3 1/2 years. Many SCV pulls were had, many mech (or Protoss) vs swarm host stalemates played. And a lot of other things not everybody liked, as exciting as the death of 300 workers per game via hellbats may sound.

HotS had a lot of stuff to remember fondly and a lot of things nobody will miss.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1894 Posts
April 26 2019 15:25 GMT
#32
HotS hands down was the best :D
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 26 2019 15:33 GMT
#33
the heart of the swarm thing that seems furthest from reality now is casually making 20 stalkers and 20 sentries to win PvZ and eventually adding storm in case it didn't work
TL+ Member
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 26 2019 15:36 GMT
#34
Oh so that's how Flash's hands got injured... by playing nearly 2 hour games.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15956 Posts
April 26 2019 15:49 GMT
#35
On April 27 2019 00:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 17:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
On April 26 2019 17:23 Proko wrote:
On April 26 2019 09:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
HOTS nearly killed SC2.

David Kim and Dustin Browder made some serious mistakes.


HOTS was very difficult to watch and boring to follow. I tried a few times to get into it, and it did not work for me.

Wasn't hots the time Maruders raining over colossus? That was my favorite time of starcraft 2, pure bliss.

That was like 6-8 months of over 3 1/2 years. Many SCV pulls were had, many mech (or Protoss) vs swarm host stalemates played. And a lot of other things not everybody liked, as exciting as the death of 300 workers per game via hellbats may sound.

HotS had a lot of stuff to remember fondly and a lot of things nobody will miss.

on the other hand - TvZ parade push style with many of the greatest games of all time, Chargelot templar PvT with games like Dear vs Maru or Polt vs HerO, Blink Sentry PvZ micro wars....
HotS definitely had its good sides as well,
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 15:57:10
April 26 2019 15:53 GMT
#36
On April 27 2019 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Blink Sentry PvZ micro wars.

I doubt Zerg players would consider this a good side. Or a micro war. All the meaningful micro was on the Protoss side. I personally got pretty tired of watching it too since the only real deviation from +2 blink stalkers was all-ins and Zergs often looked really helpless even against just lots of stalkers.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic621 Posts
April 26 2019 16:29 GMT
#37
Flash wasnt good in Sc2 no BW player was good enough in SC2
How may help u?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 26 2019 16:31 GMT
#38
On April 27 2019 01:29 BonitiilloO wrote:
Flash wasnt good in Sc2 no BW player was good enough in SC2

What's good enough? Bonjwa? Innovation was a decent BW pro and is one of the greatest SC2 pros ever, is that good enough?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 26 2019 16:38 GMT
#39
On April 27 2019 01:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2019 01:29 BonitiilloO wrote:
Flash wasnt good in Sc2 no BW player was good enough in SC2

What's good enough? Bonjwa? Innovation was a decent BW pro and is one of the greatest SC2 pros ever, is that good enough?


Well, I guess he wants to say that no major BW pro translated his success into Sc2, maybe Jaedong was the closest one; Rain would be a better answer but his BW successes came after his Sc2 career ended.

NesTea, Mvp, Innovation, Zest, Stats, soO, Classic weren't really that strong in Brood War; Hydra and ForGG both won one MSL in BW and were relevant enough in Sc2, but they never exactly were at the top.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 16:53:12
April 26 2019 16:50 GMT
#40
On April 27 2019 01:29 BonitiilloO wrote:
Flash wasnt good in Sc2 no BW player was good enough in SC2

Mvp, MC, JD, Soulkey, sOs, Bomber, Stats, TY, INnoVation, Classic, soO etc. are examples of BW players that aren't good enough in SC2. They never even got to the finals, let alone won, anything of importance, like Blizzcon, code S and WCS.

Edit: Oh, I am slow when I want to fact check my memory. People got there messages there before me.
Random Platinum EU
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 19h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mcanning 409
mouzHeroMarine 352
Rex 139
ForJumy 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1944
Shuttle 1578
Mini 1284
Barracks 1097
EffOrt 913
Stork 876
Soma 690
Nal_rA 624
ToSsGirL 619
Larva 364
[ Show more ]
Hyun 352
ZerO 280
Snow 252
Killer 239
Mind 191
Rush 189
yabsab 110
Sharp 89
Movie 69
soO 67
sas.Sziky 48
sorry 38
sSak 35
Sea.KH 32
Free 31
scan(afreeca) 27
[sc1f]eonzerg 19
JulyZerg 16
Terrorterran 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Shinee 11
ivOry 5
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
Gorgc6389
qojqva3412
KheZu370
XcaliburYe297
Counter-Strike
fl0m1979
ScreaM1725
olofmeister1117
Dendi774
markeloff399
sgares391
flusha172
oskar154
edward32
Other Games
singsing1894
hiko1166
B2W.Neo493
crisheroes426
Lowko298
XaKoH 169
ZerO(Twitch)22
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH141
• StrangeGG 65
• davetesta41
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4123
• WagamamaTV645
League of Legends
• Nemesis5201
• Jankos1070
• TFBlade626
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 19m
WardiTV European League
1d 1h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 9h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Online Event
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.