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On April 21 2019 03:47 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 01:41 brickrd wrote:
so what's the new catchphrase now that gumiho 3-0'd the best protoss in the world with both mech and bio? "just play like maru... and gumiho"? lol come on bro - Assuming you watched the games - Stats clearly played waaaaaay below his normal level - Game 1 Lost 7 stalkers for free right before Gumi pulled the boys Game 2 Took a horrrrendous fight into 6 tanks with 1 non matrixed colossus and a few stalkers banshees killed last 2 colo. Game 3 Let Gumi literally walk up in between and siege his bases - didn't kill the rocks and took another horrendous fight. The best protoss in the world did not play remotely like the best protoss in the world in this series - that is clear.
It's pretty easy to balance whine if you just dismiss any terran victory as the opponent playing badly. Might as well argue that the brackets should have been balanced but Rogue, RagnaroK and Solar played badly.
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On April 21 2019 02:42 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 23:18 NinjaNight wrote:On April 20 2019 22:28 TrashPanda wrote:On April 20 2019 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:On April 20 2019 13:26 papapanda wrote:
The Protoss players know they done goofed. To make up for it they should throw games to gumiho to avoid nerfs and keep the right to keep complaining about racial imbalance and not winning tournaments.
Luckily PvP is in a much better place compared to last patch and arguably the best mirror match to watch right now. It doesn't even matter Protoss has been getting nerfed even when they won almost nothing in 2018 Here's the thing though: If Maru and Serral would play Protoss, P would've won everything in 2018 In my opinion terran and zerg actually have more skill potential so it doesn't work that way. I agree the "if maru/serral play protoss" is not a good argument. However would say the protoss has more skill potential than in hots and it still has been very dominant in the past. All in all, Stats, Zest, Classic reached finals, they're facing the same problem the zergs do in gsl (no winner since 2015)
I wasn't talking about skill limits, well, maybe a little. But look at who Maru and Serral defeated in the finals - basically everytime it was a Toss, Maru and Serral seemed to be the only players all year to consistently being able to beat Protoss
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On April 20 2019 07:10 Greenei wrote:
Fret not, even though the bookies have Gumiho as the under dog my (very amazing) prediction model says that GumiGod is actually the favorite.
Look at this handsome and smart guy over here.
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On April 21 2019 04:37 batatm wrote:
but, as a viewer, having 7 protoss in the ro8 makes for a poor watching experience, at least to me.
The thing with all live competitive contests is they can end up being very boring sometimes. Its the price you pay for the live experience. My grandfather went to some Golf tourney that had Tiger Woods in it years ago. He had a 20 stroke lead going into the final day. It was very boring.
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On April 21 2019 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 04:37 batatm wrote:
but, as a viewer, having 7 protoss in the ro8 makes for a poor watching experience, at least to me.
The thing with all live competitive contests is they can end up being very boring sometimes. Its the price you pay for the live experience. My grandfather went to some Golf tourney that had Tiger Woods in it years ago. He had a 20 stroke lead going into the final day. It was very boring.
I mean it’s boring as a contest sure, there is something to be said for being present when a guy eviscerates a field of amazingly talented players to that degree though
I mean a titanic series is usually preferable, just every so often it’s nice to be around for something crazy dominance wise though
There’s something rather inspiring that a person can destroy the field, a field who themselves have dedicated their lives to something
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On April 21 2019 05:23 Greenei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 07:10 Greenei wrote:
Fret not, even though the bookies have Gumiho as the under dog my (very amazing) prediction model says that GumiGod is actually the favorite. Look at this handsome and smart guy over here.
Nice! Does it say anything notable for tonight?
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On April 21 2019 08:42 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 05:23 Greenei wrote:On April 20 2019 07:10 Greenei wrote:
Fret not, even though the bookies have Gumiho as the under dog my (very amazing) prediction model says that GumiGod is actually the favorite. Look at this handsome and smart guy over here. Nice! Does it say anything notable for tonight?
Gumiho is a clear favorite over Parting, Classic is a minor favorite over sOs, Gumiho is about even against sOs and a decent favorite against Classic. So Gumiho would be my #1 pick as the winner!
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On April 21 2019 05:23 Greenei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 07:10 Greenei wrote:
Fret not, even though the bookies have Gumiho as the under dog my (very amazing) prediction model says that GumiGod is actually the favorite. Look at this handsome and smart guy over here.
Quite handsome and smart, though I would also like to point this out from the qualification thread:
On April 10 2019 03:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
By the way, why is everyone talking about Maru as a unique exception? Maru didn't qualify for this tournament, he was seeded. Gumiho's the one you need to play like.
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On April 21 2019 11:34 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 05:23 Greenei wrote:On April 20 2019 07:10 Greenei wrote:
Fret not, even though the bookies have Gumiho as the under dog my (very amazing) prediction model says that GumiGod is actually the favorite. Look at this handsome and smart guy over here. Quite handsome and smart, though I would also like to point this out from the qualification thread: Show nested quote +On April 10 2019 03:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
By the way, why is everyone talking about Maru as a unique exception? Maru didn't qualify for this tournament, he was seeded. Gumiho's the one you need to play like.
This needs to be #mentioned.
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On April 21 2019 04:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2019 03:47 DomeGetta wrote:On April 21 2019 01:41 brickrd wrote:
so what's the new catchphrase now that gumiho 3-0'd the best protoss in the world with both mech and bio? "just play like maru... and gumiho"? lol come on bro - Assuming you watched the games - Stats clearly played waaaaaay below his normal level - Game 1 Lost 7 stalkers for free right before Gumi pulled the boys Game 2 Took a horrrrendous fight into 6 tanks with 1 non matrixed colossus and a few stalkers banshees killed last 2 colo. Game 3 Let Gumi literally walk up in between and siege his bases - didn't kill the rocks and took another horrendous fight. The best protoss in the world did not play remotely like the best protoss in the world in this series - that is clear. It's pretty easy to balance whine if you just dismiss any terran victory as the opponent playing badly. Might as well argue that the brackets should have been balanced but Rogue, RagnaroK and Solar played badly.
If you were arguing with concrete examples of them playing bad then that would make sense. My post has nothing to do with balance whining. It has to do with someones disingenuous use of best protoss in the world losing to a Terran in 1 series in 1 tournament when he very obviously played poorly. This is another way of writing: "Look everyone! Another Terran(not just Maru) has beaten the best that balance will allow for Protoss! " When anybody who watched it knows thats not remotely the case. He had an off day..it happens.. not every match of every tournament has "balance implications".. sometimes people get bopped cause they play bad. I didnt watch the qualifiers so I dont know if thats what happened in all of the Terran matches or not..but if I did and they didnt show up I wouldnt be on here crying about it lmao.
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If you are reading this, WAKE UP. You are in a AlphaStar simulation for multi-agent reinforcement learning process.. Don't you see it? The same matchups repeating in tournament? Its because the computer only has a set number of lines. Wake up before its too late!
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On April 20 2019 07:35 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Protoss finally does super well in a premier tournament and everyone loses their marbles. Last WCS/CodeS/IEM/BlizzCon winner that was a Protoss? If there’s imbalance right now I’d be pointing at Zerg. 🙄
Couldn't agree more. Reading these discussion threads it's always so sad people always whinge about Protoss being imba when nearly every race as had their glory moments of pure domination (zerg: broodlord/infestor days. Terrn: Warhound/Early WoL days)
Those who actually watched the games know how close sOs nearly got knocked out. And how PartinG got really lucky with Ragnarok. Also, that Marus vs Stats series could've EASILY ended with Maru winning.
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On April 21 2019 16:28 MoonyD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2019 07:35 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Protoss finally does super well in a premier tournament and everyone loses their marbles. Last WCS/CodeS/IEM/BlizzCon winner that was a Protoss? If there’s imbalance right now I’d be pointing at Zerg. 🙄 Couldn't agree more. Reading these discussion threads it's always so sad people always whinge about Protoss being imba when nearly every race as had their glory moments of pure domination (zerg: broodlord/infestor days. Terrn: Warhound/Early WoL days) Those who actually watched the games know how close sOs nearly got knocked out. And how PartinG got really lucky with Ragnarok. Also, that Marus vs Stats series could've EASILY ended with Maru winning.
how dare you defend protoss in any way! you're pushing the wrong narrative
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