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StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
April 20 2019 07:16 GMT
#41
News flash: I’ve added up all the premier tournament matches played in HomeStory Cup WCS GSL IEM and WESG as well as Spring Challengers to date - guess which race wins non mirror matchups the most? Not Protoss. Zerg. Zerg has a winning record against both Protoss and Terran. Therefore by Protoss haters logic, Zerg is imbalanced. 😜
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
April 20 2019 07:18 GMT
#42
Snowmiho and seven little Protoss?
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Gofyourselfninja
Profile Joined April 2019
1 Post
April 20 2019 07:22 GMT
#43
Easy to claim, starcraftsquall. Show stats plz
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
April 20 2019 07:43 GMT
#44
On April 20 2019 15:36 Morbidius wrote:
Average race representation in the Ro8 of 2019 premier tournaments:
Protoss:4.20
Zerg:2.6
Terran:1.6

Same average representation as Zerg and Terran combined, but people here have the audacity to say Protoss is doing bad everywhere else.

.

But did you look at how many premier tournaments they won in 2018? That clearly shows that there isn't a balance problem right now.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 20 2019 07:56 GMT
#45
On April 20 2019 16:43 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 15:36 Morbidius wrote:
Average race representation in the Ro8 of 2019 premier tournaments:
Protoss:4.20
Zerg:2.6
Terran:1.6

Same average representation as Zerg and Terran combined, but people here have the audacity to say Protoss is doing bad everywhere else.

.

But did you look at how many premier tournaments they won in 2018? That clearly shows that there isn't a balance problem right now.

Indeed, it only makes sense to use the data with the lowest possible sample size.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-20 08:42:41
April 20 2019 08:32 GMT
#46
On April 20 2019 12:03 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 09:41 NinjaNight wrote:
On April 20 2019 09:32 pvsnp wrote:
On April 20 2019 09:18 NinjaNight wrote:
Zerg win IEM, Terran win WESG, Terran win GSL Code S. Protoss turn now to have a win, unless Gumiho interferes.


Again, Protoss was well represented in the Ro8 of all of those tournaments.

It's super disingenuous to compare 1 Protoss making it all the way to the finals before losing to all but one Terran/Zerg losing well before they can get anywhere close to the finals.


There's nothing untrue about what I said, I'm not sure why you're trying to make an argument.


Just like there's nothing untrue about 7 Protoss/1 Terran being the most uneven race distribution GSL has ever seen.


I never said there was.

Originally before this post you quoted I said it's no surprise at all that we're having a protoss dominated tournament after zerg and terran have won all the major tournaments so far. That's exactly what's happening.

By the way it's not even a foregone conclusion that protoss wins this tournament. How funny would it be if Gumiho pulls off a win here as the only non-protoss left in the quarterfinals? It's not THAT unthinkable haha.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
April 20 2019 09:04 GMT
#47
Protoss seems like a good race toi pick!
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-20 10:37:38
April 20 2019 10:36 GMT
#48
Edit: Wrong thread.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
April 20 2019 10:48 GMT
#49
On April 20 2019 13:26 papapanda wrote:
The Protoss players know they done goofed. To make up for it they should throw games to gumiho to avoid nerfs and keep the right to keep complaining about racial imbalance and not winning tournaments.

Luckily PvP is in a much better place compared to last patch and arguably the best mirror match to watch right now.


It doesn't even matter

Protoss has been getting nerfed even when they won almost nothing in 2018
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TrashPanda
Profile Joined July 2018
69 Posts
April 20 2019 13:28 GMT
#50
On April 20 2019 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 13:26 papapanda wrote:
The Protoss players know they done goofed. To make up for it they should throw games to gumiho to avoid nerfs and keep the right to keep complaining about racial imbalance and not winning tournaments.

Luckily PvP is in a much better place compared to last patch and arguably the best mirror match to watch right now.


It doesn't even matter

Protoss has been getting nerfed even when they won almost nothing in 2018

Here's the thing though: If Maru and Serral would play Protoss, P would've won everything in 2018
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
April 20 2019 14:18 GMT
#51
On April 20 2019 22:28 TrashPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 20 2019 13:26 papapanda wrote:
The Protoss players know they done goofed. To make up for it they should throw games to gumiho to avoid nerfs and keep the right to keep complaining about racial imbalance and not winning tournaments.

Luckily PvP is in a much better place compared to last patch and arguably the best mirror match to watch right now.


It doesn't even matter

Protoss has been getting nerfed even when they won almost nothing in 2018

Here's the thing though: If Maru and Serral would play Protoss, P would've won everything in 2018


In my opinion terran and zerg actually have more skill potential so it doesn't work that way.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-20 14:54:52
April 20 2019 14:51 GMT
#52
On April 20 2019 16:16 StarcraftSquall wrote:
News flash: I’ve added up all the premier tournament matches played in HomeStory Cup WCS GSL IEM and WESG as well as Spring Challengers to date - guess which race wins non mirror matchups the most? Not Protoss. Zerg. Zerg has a winning record against both Protoss and Terran. Therefore by Protoss haters logic, Zerg is imbalanced. 😜

Thanks for the research.

I think the game is reasonably balanced at the top level. Of course, if I believed in the para-normal maybe I might believe the ghost of Avilo is rising up and haunting the GSL Super Tournament.

as far as Protoss dominance in this tourney....
sometimes when you flip a coin 8 times ... it comes up tails 7 times.
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 20 2019 16:41 GMT
#53
so what's the new catchphrase now that gumiho 3-0'd the best protoss in the world with both mech and bio? "just play like maru... and gumiho"?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 20 2019 16:50 GMT
#54
On April 21 2019 01:41 brickrd wrote:
so what's the new catchphrase now that gumiho 3-0'd the best protoss in the world with both mech and bio? "just play like maru... and gumiho"?

just play mech
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-20 17:44:17
April 20 2019 17:42 GMT
#55
On April 20 2019 23:18 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 22:28 TrashPanda wrote:
On April 20 2019 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 20 2019 13:26 papapanda wrote:
The Protoss players know they done goofed. To make up for it they should throw games to gumiho to avoid nerfs and keep the right to keep complaining about racial imbalance and not winning tournaments.

Luckily PvP is in a much better place compared to last patch and arguably the best mirror match to watch right now.


It doesn't even matter

Protoss has been getting nerfed even when they won almost nothing in 2018

Here's the thing though: If Maru and Serral would play Protoss, P would've won everything in 2018


In my opinion terran and zerg actually have more skill potential so it doesn't work that way.


I agree the "if maru/serral play protoss" is not a good argument.
However would say the protoss has more skill potential than in hots and it still has been very dominant in the past.
All in all, Stats, Zest, Classic reached finals, they're facing the same problem the zergs do in gsl (no winner since 2015)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 20 2019 17:52 GMT
#56
Well yeah I imagine Maru or Serral could be pretty darn good, no guarantee of that.

Players who are great all-round but especially noted for being amazing mechanically, playing the race that rewards that the least.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
April 20 2019 18:33 GMT
#57
Gumiho got this. Easy Terran win.
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
April 20 2019 18:47 GMT
#58
On April 21 2019 01:41 brickrd wrote:
so what's the new catchphrase now that gumiho 3-0'd the best protoss in the world with both mech and bio? "just play like maru... and gumiho"?


lol come on bro -

Assuming you watched the games - Stats clearly played waaaaaay below his normal level -

Game 1
Lost 7 stalkers for free right before Gumi pulled the boys

Game 2
Took a horrrrendous fight into 6 tanks with 1 non matrixed colossus and a few stalkers banshees killed last 2 colo.

Game 3
Let Gumi literally walk up in between and siege his bases - didn't kill the rocks and took another horrendous fight.

The best protoss in the world did not play remotely like the best protoss in the world in this series - that is clear.

AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
April 20 2019 19:18 GMT
#59
At least Gumi know which MU to prepare for.
batatm
Profile Joined June 2014
Israel116 Posts
April 20 2019 19:37 GMT
#60
i watch more than i play sc2 now a days, and when i do play it's usually random, so i don't care much about balance tbh.
but, as a viewer, having 7 protoss in the ro8 makes for a poor watching experience, at least to me.
today, i've watched gumiho vs stats, took a break and came back to watch patience vs classic.
and let me tell you, it wasn't due to lack of time,
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