EPTNeeb wins WCS Winter: Americas - Page 3
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pohlas
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Charoisaur
Germany16081 Posts
On April 07 2019 21:02 William paradise wrote: premier tournaments shouldn't be just because of the money they pay out its the quality of the competition that should matter. iem and wesg were premier ones because of the talent of the players that showed up this was one where basically you had 3 a team players going up against the b team. I mentioned the prizepool because I think the reason for why the HSCs Inno and Zest won weren't considered premier was because they had lower prizepool than usual. The HSC Serral won was back to the old prizepool again but still not considered premier. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
On April 07 2019 10:55 feardragon wrote: On the caster side I can just say I don't think I or nate felt fatigued but it's really hard to authentically hype up the games more than we did when every game but one is pretty one sided and also under 9 minutes. I am the biggest neeb and scarlett fanboy and even I was a little disappointed by how one sided and straightforward most of those games were. And I was actively hyping myself up for it being the finals and a classic rematch before the series started. Game times: Game 1: 5:07 Game 2: 7:30 Game 3: 6:13 Game 4: 11:30 Game 5: 8:12 Game 6: 9:20 Just to note some of these games were actually entirely over minutes before the tap out. You definitely dont need to defend hyping matches. You guys did just fine. The only hilarious thing you missed was the adept recall in the first two minutes of (I believe) game 6 because it was stuck. | ||
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raff100
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On April 07 2019 20:47 alpenrahm wrote: Scarlet´s lategame is beastly. And she cannot be contesting the crown for best of americas if she isn´t willing to play straightup lategame against her contestants. There must have been other reasons like fatigue or unwillingness to showcase builds. In any case that was quite a dissappointing final. Considering she should have first and foremost prepped for Neeb, has no other important tournaments at this time and was the only player who only had to play 1 series no matter what, I'd say it's way more likely that she didn't think she could win a normal game against Neeb. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
Also, the one match supposed to be high level, Scarlett vs Neeb, was lackluster due to Scarlett not wanting to play beyond midgame. Which btw is surprising for me because right now I think Zerg is favoured in late game scenarios vs the other 2 races, and Scarlett has shown in WESG, IEM or WCS that she does pretty well at those... But I guess she wasn't feeling confident in lategame vs Neeb, and she knows her strengths and weakness more than us, so it is what it is | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
The Round of 6 is more like a glorified showmatch. For one it's less exciting because we've already seen all of these players play each other 2 weeks ago. Second, the top players are already guaranteed a top placing spot so there's less incentive for them to win. For example Scarlett will take the silver even if she loses 0-4, and her only incentive to win a Bo7 (also there's a lack of momentum from a winning streak here) is getting $4000 more dollars and 500 more WCS points (and the title of "beating Neeb in a Bo7"). The only potential hype is the upsets/winning streaks from the lower brackets, but the odds are stacked against this possibility because first we've already seen these people lose to the high placing players, and they also have to spend more stamina playing more matches with less preparations, so it's quite unlikely. The only "upset" of the the Ro6 was MaSa beating TIME and honestly that was probably the most exciting series of yesterday. My recommendation would be to combine the Round Robin and the next round into a single weekend and perhaps change the final round into 4 players moving on from the Round Robin and playing a double elimination. The winner of NA vs EU playing each other is also a great idea. And I agree with the sentiments that the lack of studio audience and the non-NA related EU FFA (really kills the hype of the final) were downers. But overall I would say everything up to the Ro6 or even just before the FFA were great! And congrats to Neeb for having a solid start to 2019! | ||
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HolydaKing
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12130 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8312 Posts
On April 08 2019 00:53 argonautdice wrote: I think format is a major problem too. To be honest the Round of 8 round robin was a lot more exciting because the placement, literally every single game, really mattered to the players, and it was exciting for us viewers to watch 8 people duke it out in 28 series with different strategies and styles (In fact, I remember the complaint being there were too many great games being on at the same time that you can't watch all of them at once). The Round of 6 is more like a glorified showmatch. For one it's less exciting because we've already seen all of these players play each other 2 weeks ago. Second, the top players are already guaranteed a top placing spot so there's less incentive for them to win. For example Scarlett will take the silver even if she loses 0-4, and her only incentive to win a Bo7 (also there's a lack of momentum from a winning streak here) is getting $4000 more dollars and 500 more WCS points (and the title of "beating Neeb in a Bo7"). The only potential hype is the upsets/winning streaks from the lower brackets, but the odds are stacked against this possibility because first we've already seen these people lose to the high placing players, and they also have to spend more stamina playing more matches with less preparations, so it's quite unlikely. The only "upset" of the the Ro6 was MaSa beating TIME and honestly that was probably the most exciting series of yesterday. My recommendation would be to combine the Round Robin and the next round into a single weekend and perhaps change the final round into 4 players moving on from the Round Robin and playing a double elimination. The winner of NA vs EU playing each other is also a great idea. And I agree with the sentiments that the lack of studio audience and the non-NA related EU FFA (really kills the hype of the final) were downers. But overall I would say everything up to the Ro6 or even just before the FFA were great! And congrats to Neeb for having a solid start to 2019! That's a pretty huge incentive to be honest. | ||
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William paradise
1753 Posts
On April 08 2019 03:35 TheDougler wrote: That's a pretty huge incentive to be honest. It is really i mean yes 4 thousand is a lot of money but other then that 500 points difference and winning na title isn't all that great in terms of actual competition skill wise the same 3 players are vying for the top I get why Scarlett would decide in her mind that yea shell give hit a good try in playing neeb but at the end she wasn't going to go all out and give it her best shot. she made 8 grand has a really really good shot at Blizzcon now so what was her motivation eh the format just was lacking so yea anyway ill proly get b anned for this post. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
The casters were cool... Dunno why they should be responsible for that... Them both bring bfs and.Not caring was tHe problem... Thea habe no sende that this is about entertainment, top... | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
"Thea habe no sende" ???? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:28 Kimb3r wrote: Scarlett just did not give a care... Pretty disappointing The casters were cool... Dunno why they should be responsible for that... Them both bring bfs and.Not caring was tHe problem... Thea habe no sende that this is about entertainment, top... You think she really doesn't care? She just did not play well at all, but to think she didn't want to win is absurd lol | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On April 07 2019 10:55 feardragon wrote: On the caster side I can just say I don't think I or nate felt fatigued but it's really hard to authentically hype up the games more than we did when every game but one is pretty one sided and also under 9 minutes. I am the biggest neeb and scarlett fanboy and even I was a little disappointed by how one sided and straightforward most of those games were. And I was actively hyping myself up for it being the finals and a classic rematch before the series started. Game times: Game 1: 5:07 Game 2: 7:30 Game 3: 6:13 Game 4: 11:30 Game 5: 8:12 Game 6: 9:20 Just to note some of these games were actually entirely over minutes before the tap out. ouch. blaming the games and the players? also, the argument doesn't make any sense to me. and if you use the word "hype" as a caster, you are on the wrooong way anyway. even in seemingly one-sided games/series a caster should be able to spot good decision making, series planning, etc. and be able to appreciate all these things aaand present it in an appealing and interesting way to the audience. where is the story line? don't they teach this in "caster school" anymore? go watch the 2013 wcs europe s2 finals (duckdeok vs MC). this is how I think it should be done. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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byte-Curious
Mexico107 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:21 argonautdice wrote: Man the comprehensibility and grammar of posts in this thread have really degenerated. "Thea habe no sende" ???? Harmless auto correct to German words, I'm assuming. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:21 argonautdice wrote: Man the comprehensibility and grammar of posts in this thread have really degenerated. "Thea habe no sende" ???? XD Dunno why my laptop had auto-correct switched on and I did find the result funny somehow.. well I meant that they have no sense ^^ | ||
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