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Neeb wins WCS Winter: Americas - Page 2

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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
April 07 2019 05:12 GMT
#21
Well, Scarlett was just trying to play the way that would give her the best chance of winning so I don't blame her.

Anyway, congrats neeb for navigating through so much cheesy business!
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William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
April 07 2019 05:19 GMT
#22
On April 07 2019 14:12 sudete wrote:
Well, Scarlett was just trying to play the way that would give her the best chance of winning so I don't blame her.

Anyway, congrats neeb for navigating through so much cheesy business!

thats the thing though i honestly dont think she cares if she wins or loses shes just here because well this has been her life for the past 8 years.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
April 07 2019 05:19 GMT
#23
On April 07 2019 13:21 Zzoram wrote:
Scarlett won IEM Pyeongcheng cheesing sOs, Scarlett is just a cheesy ZvP player so we shouldn’t be surprised. It looks brilliant when it works and sad when it doesn’t.


Yeeeah that sorta how it works. sOs would be myungsik without those fucking championships, and that's fine.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
April 07 2019 06:44 GMT
#24
Expected result.
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asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
April 07 2019 06:50 GMT
#25
I think it would help to have some sort of actual fan presence in the ESL studio. I know its not the largest venue but they used to be able to house 50-70 people when it was open to the public (pushing closer to 100 during the finals). I know the games were lacking but having an actual audience I think would certainly help a little
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 07:02:28
April 07 2019 07:02 GMT
#26
In fairness, Neeb's late game PvZ is really strong so I think it was wise of her to play aggressively in the early game. She gambled on surprising him with repeated all-ins and unfortunately, Neeb did not tilt or play with the expectation that she should play standard after winning a game with an all-in. I hope she'll eventually win a WCS this year. Was a big shame that Scarlett and Reynor didn't make Blizzcon last year; I think they were both definitely top 8 foreigners in terms of skill.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 07:06:12
April 07 2019 07:05 GMT
#27
On April 07 2019 14:19 William paradise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 14:12 sudete wrote:
Well, Scarlett was just trying to play the way that would give her the best chance of winning so I don't blame her.

Anyway, congrats neeb for navigating through so much cheesy business!

thats the thing though i honestly dont think she cares if she wins or loses shes just here because well this has been her life for the past 8 years.


uh... you realize this is her job right...?
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
April 07 2019 07:18 GMT
#28
On April 07 2019 13:21 Zzoram wrote:
Scarlett won IEM Pyeongcheng cheesing sOs, Scarlett is just a cheesy ZvP player so we shouldn’t be surprised. It looks brilliant when it works and sad when it doesn’t.


Yes, this.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
April 07 2019 07:18 GMT
#29
Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 07:26:34
April 07 2019 07:24 GMT
#30
On April 07 2019 14:19 William paradise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 14:12 sudete wrote:
Well, Scarlett was just trying to play the way that would give her the best chance of winning so I don't blame her.

Anyway, congrats neeb for navigating through so much cheesy business!

thats the thing though i honestly dont think she cares if she wins or loses shes just here because well this has been her life for the past 8 years.


Well, she has made like 30k $ + salaries in 3 months of competition... basically more than every foreigner except for Serral and Neeb.... and she's third at WCS standings atm....

That's pretty ok for "just being there and not caring"....

The fact that she loses to Neeb or Serral shouldn't surprise us, basically because both of them are clearly better SC2 players than Scarlett, even when she can be able to beat them.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
April 07 2019 07:52 GMT
#31
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.



No way that's a premier lol. Also a tournament that exclude all European and korean player can have that much of a weight (same goes for the European one).
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
April 07 2019 08:58 GMT
#32
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.

it doesn't meet this requirement either
"Top 16 players of the tournament played offline"
it was only top 6 played offline, neither of these WCS Winter events should count as Premier, they're not even close
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15996 Posts
April 07 2019 09:18 GMT
#33
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.

Liquipedia definitions of what's premier or not are sometimes off so I don't really care anymore what they call it.
They don't consider Serral's HSC win premier for some reason despite having the same prizepool (20k) as a lot of HSCs that are considered premier.
Also they count Crossfinals and SSL challenger premier for some reason.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 07 2019 09:23 GMT
#34
On April 07 2019 18:18 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
remier_Tournaments#Updated_Premier_tournaments_criteria_for_2015" target="_blank">Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.

Liquipedia definitions of what's premier or not are sometimes off so I don't really care anymore what they call it.
They don't consider Serral's HSC win premier for some reason despite having the same prizepool (20k) as a lot of HSCs that are considered premier.
Also they count Crossfinals and SSL challenger premier for some reason.

SSL Challenger in particular is completely ludicrous to call a Premier. I think WCS Winter is considered a Premier because it's a WCS stop even though it's almost fully online play and region-locked even further than normal.
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StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
April 07 2019 09:40 GMT
#35
i dont know about "energy"... for me it was just bad starcraft. i'm confident today will be better.
Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
April 07 2019 10:12 GMT
#36
She played like she feared playing the late game against Neeb
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 10:34:11
April 07 2019 10:31 GMT
#37
On April 07 2019 18:18 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
remier_Tournaments#Updated_Premier_tournaments_criteria_for_2015" target="_blank">Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.

Liquipedia definitions of what's premier or not are sometimes off so I don't really care anymore what they call it.
They don't consider Serral's HSC win premier for some reason despite having the same prizepool (20k) as a lot of HSCs that are considered premier.
Also they count Crossfinals and SSL challenger premier for some reason.


Yeah they're not taking those definitions very seriously.

As for the tournament: It was okay, looks good layouts for players but the long wait between some of the games and the extra hour spent doing the FFA between the semi and grand finals was boring. It's like they had a contract to make the event last the whole day even though they only had 6 players and i missed the first minute or two of so many games because i was alt tabbed or afk during a break.

Big Gz to Neeb! Gz to Scarlett too for that second place price money $$
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TheSky123
Profile Joined March 2017
15 Posts
April 07 2019 11:39 GMT
#38
Worst final ever. So tired and boring. Your destiny awaits you, Starcraft2!
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
April 07 2019 11:47 GMT
#39
On April 07 2019 16:02 Anc13nt wrote:
In fairness, Neeb's late game PvZ is really strong so I think it was wise of her to play aggressively in the early game. She gambled on surprising him with repeated all-ins and unfortunately, Neeb did not tilt or play with the expectation that she should play standard after winning a game with an all-in. I hope she'll eventually win a WCS this year. Was a big shame that Scarlett and Reynor didn't make Blizzcon last year; I think they were both definitely top 8 foreigners in terms of skill.


Scarlet´s lategame is beastly. And she cannot be contesting the crown for best of americas if she isn´t willing to play straightup lategame against her contestants. There must have been other reasons like fatigue or unwillingness to showcase builds.

In any case that was quite a dissappointing final.
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
April 07 2019 12:02 GMT
#40
On April 07 2019 18:18 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 16:18 Solar424 wrote:
remier_Tournaments#Updated_Premier_tournaments_criteria_for_2015" target="_blank">Honestly surprised Liquipedia counts this tournament as a Premier, since it doesn't meet the 2/3 regions or the offline requirements.

Liquipedia definitions of what's premier or not are sometimes off so I don't really care anymore what they call it.
They don't consider Serral's HSC win premier for some reason despite having the same prizepool (20k) as a lot of HSCs that are considered premier.
Also they count Crossfinals and SSL challenger premier for some reason.

premier tournaments shouldn't be just because of the money they pay out its the quality of the competition that should matter. iem and wesg were premier ones because of the talent of the players that showed up this was one where basically you had 3 a team players going up against the b team.
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