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Nobody would consider it bad thing if 'Finnish Championship 2019' would go Off-racing Korean.
This newborn rivalry must be supported by all means available.
INnoVation defeats Serral to win WESG 2018 - Page 6
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Nobody would consider it bad thing if 'Finnish Championship 2019' would go Off-racing Korean. This newborn rivalry must be supported by all means available. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 19 2019 20:33 deacon.frost wrote: Where does Code S rules state you have to live in the Korea for the whole time? You can fly in, play the group, fly out. Fly in, play the group, fly out. Fly in, play the RO8, fly out. Sure, it's not cheap, but IIRC you don't have to BE physicially in Korea. Even for the qualifiers(edit> I mean you can fly in) Well, technically you don't have to live in Korea in between, but you surely have to get there to play the matches  What you are suggesting doesn't seem very practical as well as being expensive, you would be forced to fly in and out from three to five times during a Code S season(from qualifiers to finals, according to schedule of the most recent seasons); extremely stressful and the jet lag would have massive effects, I would personally prefer to reside there(can't speak for Serral, of course). It's already impossible for Serral to play Code S Season 2 this year as the qualifiers would happen right before WCS Winter offline finals(assuming he doesn't go out in the last group phase by placing 7th or 8th, wouldn't count on it), not to mention he will probably like to rest a bit after the last wave of international tournaments. Serral could, however, decide to go for Season 3 as there aren't tournaments in June and he would have to go to Korea in August for GSL vs the World(he'd skip Kiev 2 in July and Montreal in September but that wouldn't be a problem had he won either WCS Winter or Kiev 1); let's see what he decides to do. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6691 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 19 2019 21:50 Harris1st wrote: You forget about HomeStoryCup which will surely take place in June because otherwise those who are addicted will surely die in that dry period! Hahah, nice. Unless it's in the very last days of June it should not be a problem, Code S S3 starts the 3rd of July. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Certainly it isn't about alleged, ridiculous claim about "scare of GSL" and possible extra challenge it might bring as everything he has done since after the end of school and going full time professional proves otherwise. (Mandatory conscription in Finland won't be unsurmountable obstacle for him until the year of his 28yo anniversary, and if/when he ask its postponing (if I'm correct, 3 years at max per application), that will be nearly automatically granted, and when he then have to go to the army by max age set by law, there will be likely possibility for him to join Sport corps that allow rather high flexibility considering active sporting career simultaneously. So, for Serral the army won't likely form the question of the end of career.) And... from perspective of 'growing the sport' it is only good if he continue in foreign circuit little bit longer, IMO. Uh, oh. Rant. Hoping next games starting soon.  | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 19 2019 22:25 UnLarva wrote: I'd love to see Serral in GSL competing vs. top Koreans days in days out just like a next guy, but considering what seems to be Serral's approach to his career and future by his own words, it doesn't seem very probable at least this year. As far it goes to personal characteristics of Serral, its certain that there are no any kind 'Elitist' mindset in his personality. It all revolve around pragmatic and circumstantial things, he is basing his decisions. Serral seems to me one of the most humble guy (and nerdiest - in good sense of word) in the top level SC2, and it seems he isn't yet fully formed a plan or schedule what he is going to do longer term in his life (going to university seems to his plan of sort). Achieving only some economic security for the future career decisions doesn't particularly support moving to Korea currently, odds for making some serious bucks (or Euros) are better for him in the foreign circuit, tho I honestly think that this aspect isn't uppermost driving motive for him - at least anymore. Certainly it isn't about alleged, ridiculous claim about "scare of GSL" and possible extra challenge it might bring as everything he has done since after the end of school and going full time professional proves otherwise. (Mandatory conscription in Finland won't be unsurmountable obstacle for him until the year of his 28yo anniversary, and if/when he ask its postponing (if I'm correct, 3 years at max per application), that will be nearly automatically granted, and when he then have to go to the army by max age set by law, there will be likely possibility for him to join Sport corps that allow rather high flexibility considering active sporting career simultaneously. So, for Serral the army won't likely form the question of the end of career.) And... from perspective of 'growing the sport' it is only good if he continue in foreign circuit little bit longer, IMO. Uh, oh. Rant. Hoping next games starting soon. From what I have seen, Serral seems to really love his family and enjoy his current lifestyle, valuing them above money. I suspect Ence's economical offer wasn't as high as the one some Chinese teams would have granted him(I am not certain of that, to be honest), yet he respected the team he grew in and he felt himself at ease with; similarly, now that he earned almost 650k in prize, I don't think economic security will be the highest priority for Serral. Even disregarding the opinions prophets of doom according tho whom Sc2 is going to die out soon, I am quite certain sc2 will cease being the premier RTS before Serral would have reached the end of his career so I wouldn't worry about that. Is it implied Serral will play Protoss in 4V.Fi? I mean, I know he played random then Terran as offrace already, but did he say he will? That would be a real challenge, especially against Zhugeliang. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
As far as I can recon Serral's and Ence's relation and contractual things are healthy, and unproblematic. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On March 19 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Well, technically you don't have to live in Korea in between, but you surely have to get there to play the matches What you are suggesting doesn't seem very practical as well as being expensive, you would be forced to fly in and out from three to five times during a Code S season(from qualifiers to finals, according to schedule of the most recent seasons); extremely stressful and the jet lag would have massive effects, I would personally prefer to reside there(can't speak for Serral, of course). It's already impossible for Serral to play Code S Season 2 this year as the qualifiers would happen right before WCS Winter offline finals(assuming he doesn't go out in the last group phase by placing 7th or 8th, wouldn't count on it), not to mention he will probably like to rest a bit after the last wave of international tournaments. Serral could, however, decide to go for Season 3 as there aren't tournaments in June and he would have to go to Korea in August for GSL vs the World(he'd skip Kiev 2 in July and Montreal in September but that wouldn't be a problem had he won either WCS Winter or Kiev 1); let's see what he decides to do. It's funny, because when fans say about jet lag for Koreans it's just an excuse  But yeah, it would be a horrible experience, no denying there.The point was it can be done even without living there. Serral most probably won't do it, I'm fine with that, WCS is a safe pay check for him and he can stay at home, I would do the same personally. I hate travelling | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
I kinda hope he does, it's always weird when the supposed best player/ most recent champion gets knocked out in the group stages of the next major tournament. As for Serral playing in GSL, this has been discusses so many times... I wouldnt do it in his place, unless my organization/sponsors were really pushing it. Ofc I would like him to go and compete there, I just dont think it makes sense for him, it's a risky investment of money, time etc, and if you're not the kind of personality to enjoy yourself in that kind of an environment, than it's not that great of a move. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 19 2019 05:18 DomeGetta wrote: Haha in all seriousness though - he's not lying about soO's ladder performance - Maru and Inno both were getting agitated in the games and he ran a disgusting map score all said in done - not sure about prior to literally last week though - but his ZvT looked unreal. Yea soO has just been incredible lately, no doubt. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 19 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Well, technically you don't have to live in Korea in between, but you surely have to get there to play the matches What you are suggesting doesn't seem very practical as well as being expensive, you would be forced to fly in and out from three to five times during a Code S season(from qualifiers to finals, according to schedule of the most recent seasons); extremely stressful and the jet lag would have massive effects, I would personally prefer to reside there(can't speak for Serral, of course). I don't think it's that much of a problem. Yea it's a little expensive but if you achieve the good results that you're relying on by choosing to compete in this tournament it's worth it. Extremely stressful? What? Imo flying is actually relaxing. Jet lag can be countered by simply arriving 1-2 weeks in advance and letting its effects wear off. | ||
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Majick
416 Posts
On March 19 2019 18:27 Harris1st wrote: Serral would need at least an invitation to the Ro32. Not because I think he couldn't qualify but because it would probably mean another 3 weeks in Korea to play qualifier. And GSL has never given out random invites, they won't start now They were doing that. E.g. Nerchio was offered a Code S seed (in 2012 I think?) but he turned it down to focus on his studies. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 00:09 deacon.frost wrote: It's funny, because when fans say about jet lag for Koreans it's just an excuse But yeah, it would be a horrible experience, no denying there.The point was it can be done even without living there. Serral most probably won't do it, I'm fine with that, WCS is a safe pay check for him and he can stay at home, I would do the same personally. I hate travelling It apparently takes more than ten hours to travel from Helsinki to Seoul, not considering that Serral doesn't live in Helsinki and that I assume at least three additional hours get lost embarking and disembarking. If we add that Korea is seven hours ahead of Finland, one entire day is needed for a single flight(on the other hand, flying back to Finland is much less of a problem due to favourable GMT). How anyone, Korean or not, is affected by Jet Lag is a stricly personal affair; the effect might be over in a single day or last for a week, I don't know what is Serral's reaction; however, given the chanche, one would travel choosing a date that would allow him to rest appropriately before playing, so I am not speaking of in-game performance being affected. It's more about how it could impact his preparation, or worse how likely it is to induce stress. Having to fly back and forth five times in three months wouldn't definitely be relaxing consideting the wasted time and the need to readjust every time to a considerably different Time Zone; it can be done but I fail to see how this would be a desiderable solution if there are other possibilities. I would personally stay in Korea three straight months. WCS pays less than GSL but both are dwarfed by the amount of money international tournament grant in LoTV; Serral should win WCS Winter and both the Kiev weekenders to earn marginally more than he did in March. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Finnish SC2 concept of Pornainen works. Google "Burden of Dreams" by Nalle Hukkataival to understand what's it all about in Finnish terms. The mental set. Edit: First hand sources of Nalle here: https://www.instagram.com/nalle_hukkataival/?hl=fi Burden of Dreams was so called 'Lappnor Project'. You'll find the whole project and process there. Before picking up your 'race', think what your are ready to do with it. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
If their owners perceive this all only as something they can profit from, they have A) wrong motives, B) they will fail. Both are bad things for the company owners, seeking only profits. StarCraft will be there forever! Owners are idiots if they do not recognize the obvious. When 100 trendy boom-hype games are come and gone, there will still be Starcraft. You cannot fight against the world. A Regiment of lawyers won't be good enough. If you seek pure profit, act accordingly! You cannot fake the needs of your audience. You simply cannot, and you know it. So, good compromize would be that you keep this department running, with adequate funding (Hey! You make some serious bucks form it!), and updated. Few guys reading these threads (and acting appropriately) wouldn't do any bad to your cash flow. Don't be arseholes. Please, realize the historical significance of your product. You simply cannot make losses in THIS department if you've any business sense at all. Thank you. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 20 2019 06:28 opisska wrote: I just watched game 1 of the 3rd place match. How the fuck is there no more outrage about it? How do people just casually accept that Maru "forgot that terran buildings can fly"? He threw the game, he did that completely openly for 20 minutes, yet the only thing everyone is talking about is the Macsed "matchfixing"? I ... just ... Seriously? Stop looking at that game like a spectator who knows absolutely everything that is happening. Put yourself in his shoes. He doesn't know if Scarlett has a bank to make some corruptors if he lifts all his stuff into a corner. He also has to deal with fog of war. There's no way he can really find out if she has some resources banked to rely on. He's blind compared to a spectator who knows everything. Also it's an overwhelming late game where he's constantly trying to figure out how to hold off Scarlett's attacks . When your focus is "how do I hold off these attacks?" and your opponent is constantly harassing you it's easy to forget about something really simple. Naturally to answer that question you're going to think of how to position your army and where and what you're going to do to engage her army and you'll constantly be looking for your opportunity to engage her army in a good spot. So you can easily forget hey maybe she wouldn't be able to kill my buildings if I floated them into a corner. It's super rare to get into this kind of situation in TvZ so it seems most likely that he has no experience with situations like this making it even easier to forget. Finally, one huge key is that to matchfix you must guarantee that you lose the game. Giving Scarlett a very strong fight most of the game is not a good way to guarantee you're going to lose. You could accidentally win and make her leave if you're trying that hard. He played great for most of the game other than not realizing he could float his buildings and it took a huge effort from Scarlett to deal with him. Compare that to the Macsed game where there's a bunch of blatant actions indicating he's throwing the game against a low level opponent who should never beat him and there's no contest here. Maru's game is not suspicious at all to me, but Macsed's game is extremely suspicious. The most suspicious professional game I've ever seen in SC2 in fact and I've been watching since 2011. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 06:29 UnLarva wrote: Blizzard is the company holding all threads of the game that started, determined, and dictated the whole scene. If their owners perceive this all only as something they can profit from, they have A) wrong motives, B) they will fail. Both are bad things for the company owners, seeking only profits. StarCraft will be there forever! Owners are idiots if they do not recognize the obvious. When 100 trendy boom-hype games are come and gone, there will still be Starcraft. You cannot fight against the world. A Regiment of lawyers won't be good enough. If you seek pure profit, act accordingly! You cannot fake the needs of your audience. You simply cannot, and you know it. So, good compromize would be that you keep this department running, with adequate funding (Hey! You make some serious bucks form it!), and updated. Few guys reading these threads (and acting appropriately) wouldn't do any bad to your cash flow. Don't be arseholes. Please, realize the historical significance of your product. You simply cannot make losses in THIS department if you've any business sense at all. Thank you. In business, the only thing that matters is profit. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On March 20 2019 14:49 BerserkSword wrote: In business, the only thing that matters is profit. Yeah. You've Coca Cola recipe or a patent to T-model Ford construction line of Esports, and you contemplate "does it make profit?"... | ||
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ProFalseIdol
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