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INnoVation defeats Serral to win WESG 2018 - Page 4

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 07:34:06
March 18 2019 07:31 GMT
#61
On March 18 2019 16:20 narusensei22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 10:01 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:53 DomeGetta wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:40 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.

It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.

Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱


Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.


I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?

What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.


Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.


Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 18 2019 07:32 GMT
#62
Sad to see Serral lose, but well deserved win for INnovation!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
March 18 2019 07:42 GMT
#63
On March 18 2019 08:55 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.


Ladder huh?

Aligulac: Found 31 matches.
Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.

LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 18 2019 08:31 GMT
#64
On March 18 2019 15:36 ThunderJunk wrote:
I honestly don't think any other Terran could have defeated Serral in a Bo7 at this point. Innovation's style is perfectly suited to it. Amazing games.

I don't think so. TY or Maru are capable. TY appears he still has the form from 2k18 and while Maru fallen off he is suffering mostly in TvT and his PvT is slightly worse. His TvZ should still be in top shape.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Sweetfrost
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden211 Posts
March 18 2019 10:24 GMT
#65
Great tournament, horrible production! I cannot phantom how a tournament with such a large prize pool is not able to provide better production value. Not only was the visual quality subpar, they played the entire grand final without fixing the game sound/music. It was like watching a hobby streamer cast a diamond tournament.

Still huge props to the organizers for providing us with such a large scale tournament, but they need to improve.
Before practice, we ate Kimchi soup made my MMA. His cooking has made me so depressed that I think we may lose GSTL." -Miya
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6957 Posts
March 18 2019 11:05 GMT
#66
Gratz Inno! Well played and well deserved!
GG Serral, next time you'll get them

Awsome games, was on the edge of my seat the whole time!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
agripsss
Profile Joined June 2018
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 11:50:50
March 18 2019 11:50 GMT
#67
MEANT AS HONEST FEEDBACK. I got bored at the end of this tournament. i didnt watch scarlett v serral. i didnt watch scarlett vs maru. and i fast forwarded through serral vs innovation. The tourney production just wasnt very good, and i learned and hope everyone else learned..... GAME SOUNDS MATTER. It just gets boring without the game sounds. Congrats inno.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 18 2019 11:53 GMT
#68
On March 18 2019 15:36 ThunderJunk wrote:
I honestly don't think any other Terran could have defeated Serral in a Bo7 at this point. Innovation's style is perfectly suited to it. Amazing games.

Meanwhile INno isn't even doing that good against korean zergs. Dark smacked him in the wesg qualifier, he lost to Solar, Rogue, and Ragnarok at IEM, and even soO (who historically is weak in ZvT) beat him convincingly in GSL.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 18 2019 11:57 GMT
#69
On March 18 2019 16:31 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 16:20 narusensei22 wrote:
On March 18 2019 10:01 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:53 DomeGetta wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:40 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.

It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.

Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱


Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.


I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?

What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.


Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.


Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.

Tbh only soO, Stats, or the terrans (INno, Maru, TY, Gumiho) would have much of a case to be Serral.

Many more could probably beat INno. It wouldn't be a suprise if any decent korean zerg or protoss did.

I'd still say Serral>INno in a PR. And soO should be above both of them.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6957 Posts
March 18 2019 12:11 GMT
#70
On March 18 2019 20:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 16:31 pvsnp wrote:
On March 18 2019 16:20 narusensei22 wrote:
On March 18 2019 10:01 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:53 DomeGetta wrote:
On March 18 2019 09:40 StarcraftSquall wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.

It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.

Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱


Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.


I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?

What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.


Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.


Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.

Tbh only soO, Stats, or the terrans (INno, Maru, TY, Gumiho) would have much of a case to be Serral.

Many more could probably beat INno. It wouldn't be a suprise if any decent korean zerg or protoss did.

I'd still say Serral>INno in a PR. And soO should be above both of them.


Isn't Inno in an all Protoss group in GSL? Curious to see if he can defend the UWC Title
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
March 18 2019 13:27 GMT
#71
Are there vods anywhere? I'd love to see the semis through the finals.
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StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 14:02:50
March 18 2019 14:02 GMT
#72
On March 18 2019 22:27 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Are there vods anywhere? I'd love to see the semis through the finals.


https://m.twitch.tv/videos/396271457
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/396809390
DreamlnCode
Profile Joined December 2018
United Kingdom77 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 17:23:47
March 18 2019 17:22 GMT
#73
First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"

and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.

Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 17:28:00
March 18 2019 17:23 GMT
#74
Deserved victory for Innovation. Finals were quite nice, although surprisingly cheesy. GG
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 18 2019 17:37 GMT
#75
On March 19 2019 02:22 DreamlnCode wrote:
First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"

and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.

Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.


Hmm, actually the longest game played at WESG was won by Serral.
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
March 18 2019 18:55 GMT
#76
On March 18 2019 16:42 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 08:55 NinjaNight wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.


Ladder huh?

Aligulac: Found 31 matches.
Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.

LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.


That's irrelevant because soO has clearly ascended to a new level never seen before. He defeated Serral and went on to break his 2nd place curse and then proceeded to crush Innovation on ladder. Expect those records to reverse in soO's favor now.
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States277 Posts
March 18 2019 19:04 GMT
#77
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or https://pan.baidu.com/s/1uxVwa48orQwC6ukT6K3DRg with m6o7 for code.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
March 18 2019 19:30 GMT
#78
On March 18 2019 05:30 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 05:26 yubo56 wrote:
On March 18 2019 05:01 Bagration wrote:
Innovation's longevity has been insane - he's been playing at a high level since 2012, and still doesn't seem to be slowing down. He's still only 25, so he's not that old yet, and hasn't had a major injury that has limited his play (knocks on wood)

Meanwhile, we've seen so many legends drop off due to age / injuries:
Mvp
Nestea
MMA
MC
Taeja
...


Probably doesn't hurt that he's the "second laziest, after only scarlett" according to the chinese volunteer's blog posted on here just a bit back


maybe the secret to a long career is literally taking entire years off to play league of legends :D

Scarlett was just ahead of the curve with her 2015 break for Dota2

just read the old inno interview. that was hilarious! somehow I missed it back then...
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12901 Posts
March 18 2019 19:58 GMT
#79
On March 19 2019 03:55 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 16:42 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:55 NinjaNight wrote:
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him.
Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐


soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.


Ladder huh?

Aligulac: Found 31 matches.
Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.

LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.


That's irrelevant because soO has clearly ascended to a new level never seen before. He defeated Serral and went on to break his 2nd place curse and then proceeded to crush Innovation on ladder. Expect those records to reverse in soO's favor now.

Next step was losing in GSL ro16 as expected actually
WriterMaru
DreamlnCode
Profile Joined December 2018
United Kingdom77 Posts
March 18 2019 20:10 GMT
#80
On March 19 2019 02:37 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2019 02:22 DreamlnCode wrote:
First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"

and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.

Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.


Hmm, actually the longest game played at WESG was won by Serral.


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