On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.
It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.
Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱
Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.
I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?
What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.
Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.
Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.
Ladder huh?
Aligulac: Found 31 matches. Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.
LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.
On March 18 2019 15:36 ThunderJunk wrote: I honestly don't think any other Terran could have defeated Serral in a Bo7 at this point. Innovation's style is perfectly suited to it. Amazing games.
I don't think so. TY or Maru are capable. TY appears he still has the form from 2k18 and while Maru fallen off he is suffering mostly in TvT and his PvT is slightly worse. His TvZ should still be in top shape.
Great tournament, horrible production! I cannot phantom how a tournament with such a large prize pool is not able to provide better production value. Not only was the visual quality subpar, they played the entire grand final without fixing the game sound/music. It was like watching a hobby streamer cast a diamond tournament.
Still huge props to the organizers for providing us with such a large scale tournament, but they need to improve.
MEANT AS HONEST FEEDBACK. I got bored at the end of this tournament. i didnt watch scarlett v serral. i didnt watch scarlett vs maru. and i fast forwarded through serral vs innovation. The tourney production just wasnt very good, and i learned and hope everyone else learned..... GAME SOUNDS MATTER. It just gets boring without the game sounds. Congrats inno.
On March 18 2019 15:36 ThunderJunk wrote: I honestly don't think any other Terran could have defeated Serral in a Bo7 at this point. Innovation's style is perfectly suited to it. Amazing games.
Meanwhile INno isn't even doing that good against korean zergs. Dark smacked him in the wesg qualifier, he lost to Solar, Rogue, and Ragnarok at IEM, and even soO (who historically is weak in ZvT) beat him convincingly in GSL.
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.
It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.
Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱
Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.
I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?
What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.
Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.
Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.
Tbh only soO, Stats, or the terrans (INno, Maru, TY, Gumiho) would have much of a case to be Serral.
Many more could probably beat INno. It wouldn't be a suprise if any decent korean zerg or protoss did.
I'd still say Serral>INno in a PR. And soO should be above both of them.
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
He beat him, yes, but the last three matches have been razor thin either way. Demolish is not an appropriate word to describe this. Budding rivalry would be better.
It should be noted that Serral was playing sick all week too. Not an opinion he said so himself. And he still pushed Inno to 7 games.
Hey, side note guys: the ASL Finals VOD from yesterday isn’t available due to copyright infringement claim? 😱
Well..it took 3 pages before we got one..which surprised me honestly. you heard it here first boys Inno unfair adv not sick..streak alive.
I’m not making excuses. Inno played better. But you can’t discount that either. Part of me is wondering if we didn’t just watch the top two players go at it. Right now I have Inno ranked above Serral but do you see anyone else close to either of them?
What I really want to see is the depth of the Circuit catch up to the depth of Korea. I mean right now we can’t predict the GSL but we are pretty sure who the top 4-8 foreign players are. I’d like it to be to the point where it’s at least a 50 50 chance. Other than Serral it feels right now about 80-20 Korea favored. And only a few players can even claim that much.
Close to either of them... Yes soO defeated both of them in IEM and GSL. And there are tons of players in Korea who can take down Serral and Inno.
Tons seems like a stretch. Certainly there are a few that can beat Inno, and a few that can beat Serral, but both? soO is the only one to do that recently. At a guess, maybe you could add TY and Rogue. Nobody else though.
Tbh only soO, Stats, or the terrans (INno, Maru, TY, Gumiho) would have much of a case to be Serral.
Many more could probably beat INno. It wouldn't be a suprise if any decent korean zerg or protoss did.
I'd still say Serral>INno in a PR. And soO should be above both of them.
Isn't Inno in an all Protoss group in GSL? Curious to see if he can defend the UWC Title
First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"
and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.
Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.
On March 19 2019 02:22 DreamlnCode wrote: First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"
and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.
Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.
Hmm, actually the longest game played at WESG was won by Serral.
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.
Ladder huh?
Aligulac: Found 31 matches. Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.
LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.
That's irrelevant because soO has clearly ascended to a new level never seen before. He defeated Serral and went on to break his 2nd place curse and then proceeded to crush Innovation on ladder. Expect those records to reverse in soO's favor now.
On March 18 2019 05:01 Bagration wrote: Innovation's longevity has been insane - he's been playing at a high level since 2012, and still doesn't seem to be slowing down. He's still only 25, so he's not that old yet, and hasn't had a major injury that has limited his play (knocks on wood)
Meanwhile, we've seen so many legends drop off due to age / injuries: Mvp Nestea MMA MC Taeja ...
Probably doesn't hurt that he's the "second laziest, after only scarlett" according to the chinese volunteer's blog posted on here just a bit back
On March 18 2019 08:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: GJ Inno. Demolished Serral 2 times is a row now. Actually I think he might have broken him mentally. Even though Inno was playing sloppy, Serral was still scared as hell to play macro against him. Truly the current SC2 Goat 🐐
soO must be the best player in the world then. He has been dominating Innovation every time they play on ladder. Including matches on ladder the day of WESG finals before the tournament started.
Ladder huh?
Aligulac: Found 31 matches. Under these filters, INnoVation is 77–42 (64.71%) in games and 21–10 (67.74%) in matches against soO.
LOTV only also close to that number. So... Yeah, enough said.
That's irrelevant because soO has clearly ascended to a new level never seen before. He defeated Serral and went on to break his 2nd place curse and then proceeded to crush Innovation on ladder. Expect those records to reverse in soO's favor now.
Next step was losing in GSL ro16 as expected actually
On March 19 2019 02:22 DreamlnCode wrote: First seeing Inno take Serral in the IEM match that "had no meaning & Serral wasn't even trying"
and then to see the same thing happen in the WESG says to me Serral seriously need to work at his lategame ZvT and he's not going to get that in Europe/NA.
Congrats to Inno and hope Serral can learn from this experience.
Hmm, actually the longest game played at WESG was won by Serral.
EPT
