On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
Am I the only one who really thinks about writing a plugin to ignore this dude? Not only he's a fanboy, but he writes wall of texts I don't want to read, but skipping such walls requires lot of scrolling. Serral is the toppest of the top and that's why he lost to soO, Innovation, Neeb, Raynor. And when he lost to Maru he wasn't in his peak, otherwise he dominated the whole 2018, he didn't dominate the GSL but let's ignore that because who cares about Code S. WCS is the bestest everest competition and he won it 4 times in a row!!!#!!
Edit> Just thinking about it - we have again the Mvp situation. BL infestor is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, no worries, Terrans are fine, Mvp can win games! Play like Mvp!!! We have 2 "weekend" tournaments with top players without meaningful Terran representation but everything is fine. We don't even try to look for the cause(it's not BL infestor, or is it? )
On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
No way, this is not my opinion alone. Results speak clearly in my favor(Serral losing ro4 against top koreans magically becomes Serral beating top koreans in finals, dropping series turns into not losing any offline in eight months), what do you have your side other than your enlightened vision?
On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
No way, this is not my opinion alone. Results speak clearly in my favor(Serral losing ro4 against top koreans magically becomes Serral beating top koreans in finals, dropping series turns into not losing any offline in eight months), what do you have your side other than your enlightened vision?
So what your saying is that in fact he's only at his peak when he's not losing and as soon as he loses it's proof that he isn't at his peak?
On April 08 2019 20:50 fronkschnonk wrote: It's really disappointing when players who have potential or are coming back often just seem to opt out of competition when it gets serious: Taeja seemingly did not show up vs MC and then vs alive in the LB. TREME, an old face from 2015 also donated def-wins to his opponents. Dandy didn't try either although his opponent impact could've been doable for him. DRG also let his chance of a kind of easy first opponent in Patience slip away.
I mean, yes, there always can happen stuff that hinders you and playing against the best of the best is probably quite intimidating but I see this so often that it is just unlikely that this is not some kind of nerves/anxiety/motivation-problem. It's so sad because I think those players are giving opportunites away and by deciding to rather not participate they're making it even more unlikely that they'll climb to the top, ever. Especially players like Taeja and Dandy who are on a team should have some kind of conscientiousness.
---- This is why I still think we need some kind of Code A in Korea in order to give realistic opportunities to lesser players.
And who is gonna pay for that =) ?
I wrote about this earlier. I think one could skip GSL vs the World. The saved prize money and event costs should be more than enough to support a small Code A.
Oh, don't doubt, I would love to ignore what you guys regularly post but if scrolling down my posts is hard, you have to imagine how frustrating it would be to have to literally skip half of the posts on this section of the forum.
I am saying Serral peaked last year after April, his most impressive performance being BlizzCon and GSL vs the World; his peak wasn't only not losing, nothing would have really changed if he dropped one random series in the groupstages at Anaheim(too bad he didn't even come close to),I am speaking of his godlike multitasking, his immaculate early game defense, his jawdropping lategame mastery, his extreme clutchness in decisive games and his capability of never letting go a the series when behind; Serral always had sparks of greatness but it was evident to everyone who has eyesight he actually improved throughout 2018.
I find extremely funny you apparently think Serral was playing at the same level for more than one year: we had a similar discussion about his current shape in 2019, which is worse than his best in 2018(and I started saying that before he lost a single series at IEM groupstages), and now you say he was already at his peak in March 2018, a statement not suffragated by facts or results.
On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
Am I the only one who really thinks about writing a plugin to ignore this dude? Not only he's a fanboy, but he writes wall of texts I don't want to read, but skipping such walls requires lot of scrolling. Serral is the toppest of the top and that's why he lost to soO, Innovation, Neeb, Raynor. And when he lost to Maru he wasn't in his peak, otherwise he dominated the whole 2018, he didn't dominate the GSL but let's ignore that because who cares about Code S. WCS is the bestest everest competition and he won it 4 times in a row!!!#!!
Edit> Just thinking about it - we have again the Mvp situation. BL infestor is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, no worries, Terrans are fine, Mvp can win games! Play like Mvp!!! We have 2 "weekend" tournaments with top players without meaningful Terran representation but everything is fine. We don't even try to look for the cause(it's not BL infestor, or is it? )
I suspected you had bad reading skills, now you just candidly admit you don't even read my posts; that's fine by itself, but how would you actually think you can answer to them properly without reading them first? Ignore me for good if you have to spout such ridicolous senselessness.
Am I a fanboy just because I do not agree with you? Unlike you, I tend to try to bring facts and reasoning into a discussion. I never said WCS is the best tournament ever, just that winning it four times straight is not the easy task you are convinced it is; the GSL argument is frankly idiotic, Serral simply didn't play in Korea in 2018(except for GSL vs the World, let me remind you it was the first GSL tournament a foreigner ever won).
Serral is not the toppest of the tops lately, it's crystal clear he's not notably ahead of the pack of the best players; I have been saying his shape had decayed for more than a month now in the posts you don't read(and it shows).
Well, here comes the moment where I support Xain0n's view - at least to some extend. If we let speak the pure match statistics, Serral's peak began with GSL vs the World and lasted until Homestory Cup XVIII. Before GSL vs the World he lost matches vs top Koreans at IEM and WESG and "only" was able to dominate WCS. He even dropped maps vs Kelazhur and TLO in April at Nationwars and lost to soO twice in semifinals.
Still I think Serral's ZvT is weak in comparison to his other matchups.
At all the imba whining: The patch still isn't that old. Players tend to adjust. If terran still looks weak in may/june we can talk about it again.
Okay guys Serral is clearly sick since January and he will continue being sick, unlucky, not in top form and still better player although losing and God knows what else. That is until he wins another tournament Let's move on.
So TY and Inno bombing out huh? 2 terrans in super tournament. Now that is just great...
On April 09 2019 03:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: Okay guys Serral is clearly sick since January and he will continue being sick, unlucky, not in top form and still better player although losing and God knows what else. That is until he wins another tournament Let's move on.
So TY and Inno bombing out huh? 2 terrans in super tournament. Now that is just great...
Just look at the games, the situation doesn't change even if Serral wins one tournament unless he starts playing godlike like he used to; he objectively was sick at WESG but he wasn't at IEM, that's not really an excuse. Nobody spoke of luck and cannot say Serral is the best at the moment.
Bunny dropped out as well, that 0-3 loss to Dark was evidently too brutal.
On April 09 2019 03:43 fronkschnonk wrote: At all the imba whining: The patch still isn't that old. Players tend to adjust. If terran still looks weak in may/june we can talk about it again.
The patch is a meme. Designed for the sole purpose of getting the winrates up for Terran, the only thing it accomplishes is a marginally bigger window to hit the same 2 base all-ins people were already sick of a year ago. TvP/PvT is a completely terrible match-up to watch and play. And it has been for over a year. At this point something should be done sooner rather than later, and preferably something that doesn't fuck Protoss over further against Zerg. To put it bluntly, I enjoyed watching adept/phoenix or blink era games more than I enjoy TvP since 2018.
In terms of "simply" fixing winrates a map pool change is always the first thing I'd advocate for trying. Maps have a huge impact and obviously Terran does worse on a map pool like the most recent ones with astronomically large maps like Para Site or Year Zero.
On April 08 2019 20:50 fronkschnonk wrote: It's really disappointing when players who have potential or are coming back often just seem to opt out of competition when it gets serious: Taeja seemingly did not show up vs MC and then vs alive in the LB. TREME, an old face from 2015 also donated def-wins to his opponents. Dandy didn't try either although his opponent impact could've been doable for him. DRG also let his chance of a kind of easy first opponent in Patience slip away.
I mean, yes, there always can happen stuff that hinders you and playing against the best of the best is probably quite intimidating but I see this so often that it is just unlikely that this is not some kind of nerves/anxiety/motivation-problem. It's so sad because I think those players are giving opportunites away and by deciding to rather not participate they're making it even more unlikely that they'll climb to the top, ever. Especially players like Taeja and Dandy who are on a team should have some kind of conscientiousness.
---- This is why I still think we need some kind of Code A in Korea in order to give realistic opportunities to lesser players.
And who is gonna pay for that =) ?
I wrote about this earlier. I think one could skip GSL vs the World. The saved prize money and event costs should be more than enough to support a small Code A.
People actually what GSL vs the world tho, it make some money and publicity if you want to cut something your better with a Super Tournament who have less viewership, let's be honest almost no one would wake up at 4 am to watch Dandy vs Keen. Olimoleague rarelly has more then 2000-2500 people all stream combine and it's the best in the words.
On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
No way, this is not my opinion alone. Results speak clearly in my favor(Serral losing ro4 against top koreans magically becomes Serral beating top koreans in finals, dropping series turns into not losing any offline in eight months), what do you have your side other than your enlightened vision?
So what your saying is that in fact he's only at his peak when he's not losing and as soon as he loses it's proof that he isn't at his peak?
@Deacon.frost: Yeah I feel with you...
Sounds like some Maru fans claiming he only loses at weekenders cause he doesn't care. People are spastic.
On April 08 2019 20:50 fronkschnonk wrote: It's really disappointing when players who have potential or are coming back often just seem to opt out of competition when it gets serious: Taeja seemingly did not show up vs MC and then vs alive in the LB. TREME, an old face from 2015 also donated def-wins to his opponents. Dandy didn't try either although his opponent impact could've been doable for him. DRG also let his chance of a kind of easy first opponent in Patience slip away.
I mean, yes, there always can happen stuff that hinders you and playing against the best of the best is probably quite intimidating but I see this so often that it is just unlikely that this is not some kind of nerves/anxiety/motivation-problem. It's so sad because I think those players are giving opportunites away and by deciding to rather not participate they're making it even more unlikely that they'll climb to the top, ever. Especially players like Taeja and Dandy who are on a team should have some kind of conscientiousness.
---- This is why I still think we need some kind of Code A in Korea in order to give realistic opportunities to lesser players.
And who is gonna pay for that =) ?
I wrote about this earlier. I think one could skip GSL vs the World. The saved prize money and event costs should be more than enough to support a small Code A.
People actually what GSL vs the world tho, it make some money and publicity if you want to cut something your better with a Super Tournament who have less viewership, let's be honest almost no one would wake up at 4 am to watch Dandy vs Keen. Olimoleague rarelly has more then 2000-2500 people all stream combine and it's the best in the words.
Neither is Olimoleague offline nor is it presented by famous casters. Also there wouldn't be only Keen and Dandy in it but also every now and then some big names. But I'm open to other ideas about how to support new blood in the korean scene. I just see: there exists new blood but it has almost no chance to rise up because of the top heavy competition. Region lock proved that indeed a lack of opportunities was a major reason for the foreign scene to shrink. The same does apply for the korean scene.
Honest question: Why do you guys think the "new blood" Koreans don't qualify for ST or GSL?
It can't be the infamous "teamhouse eviroment" because those don't exist anymire besides JAGW I doubt it's lack of practice, with ladder as an option and stuff like Olimoleague on a regular basis
On April 08 2019 23:36 Xain0n wrote: Which Maru? The one who lost to Meomaika and Leenock while very closely defeating Impact and Scarlett? Think again. The best Maru would crush this Serral, for sure, while Serral vs Maru when both were at their peaks would have really been a dream match(I'm convinced Serral would have taken this but the opposite is just as likely; that match at GSL vs The World was a nice peek, despite having almost nothing at stake).
Of course peak Serral wouldn't have lost to Maru because Serral fans define any time he loses as not being him at his peak form which therefore means it doesn't count. Serral was 18-0 in maps at WESG against WCS Circuit level competition (Has, Minato, Showtime, Bly, Lambo, Elazer, and Neeb) before facing Maru who was only 18-1 but he allegedly wasn't at his peak.
That's not the point. Serral had not won a single international tournament yet when he faced Maru at WESG, not to mention his 0-3 loss was crushing(yea, we can use that term for a sweep even if g1 and partially g3 were well fought) while Dark fared much better against Maru who had to resort to(legit, of course) cheeses to beat him 4-3; not exactly what a peak should look like, he was at 2017 Neeb level:crushing foreigners, not yet capable of beating korean in finals. Maru started to peak at that very tournament instead.
Or maybe it's because he faced Maru there while avoiding him at GSLvTW and Blizzcon, not because he wasn't at his "peak".
Your opinion entirely, shape fluctuates and players evolve and/or involve; now you are saying Serral at WESG 2017 was as strong as he was after April? His level of play says otherwise, so do his results(he actually started beating koreans in finals instead of losing in the ro4), it's a bold statement to affirm he reached his apex as early as March 2018.
Serral played Maru at GSL vs the World, just not in the main tournament; however, it's not like he actively avoid to face him in the main tournament...Maru just lost before getting to play Serral(the first of many subsequent times).
Serral's ZvZ and ZvP were at their apex at BlizzCon, we simply didn't get to see his ZvT; it appeared to have extremely improved after WESG considering he smashed Inno and beat Maru in the team competition at GSL vs the World.
We will never know who would have won with them being at their best, Maru's TvZ was his best matchup in 2018 but Serral consistently appeared godlike. What I am sure of, however, is that that hypothetical series would have been very different from the one they played at WESG.
Correct, it's my opinion entirely just as it's your opinion entirely that Serral was only at his peak at GSL vs the world and Blizzcon.
No way, this is not my opinion alone. Results speak clearly in my favor(Serral losing ro4 against top koreans magically becomes Serral beating top koreans in finals, dropping series turns into not losing any offline in eight months), what do you have your side other than your enlightened vision?
So what your saying is that in fact he's only at his peak when he's not losing and as soon as he loses it's proof that he isn't at his peak?
@Deacon.frost: Yeah I feel with you...
Sounds like some Maru fans claiming he only loses at weekenders cause he doesn't care. People are spastic.
How can you explain a player playing godlike in Code S while losing and appearing not even trying in weekenders? There can be multiple explanation, this is just how it looks, multiple people stated multiple times we don't know for sure.
What we know for sure is that Serral is avoiding Code S whcih is the only tournament(except WESG ) where Terrans can do better.
On April 09 2019 17:31 Harris1st wrote: Honest question: Why do you guys think the "new blood" Koreans don't qualify for ST or GSL?
It can't be the infamous "teamhouse eviroment" because those don't exist anymire besides JAGW I doubt it's lack of practice, with ladder as an option and stuff like Olimoleague on a regular basis
I think it's a mix of lack of opportunities (you'll most likely have to beat a GSL champion in order to qualify for Code S) and the lack of longterm-secure structures (which was provided by the teamhouses). Newcomers have no place to shine and get serious tournament practice with broadcasted matches and get at least some prize money. Having no teams also means there is nobody who pays you for just practicing in hope that some day you'll break through.
On April 08 2019 20:50 fronkschnonk wrote: It's really disappointing when players who have potential or are coming back often just seem to opt out of competition when it gets serious: Taeja seemingly did not show up vs MC and then vs alive in the LB. TREME, an old face from 2015 also donated def-wins to his opponents. Dandy didn't try either although his opponent impact could've been doable for him. DRG also let his chance of a kind of easy first opponent in Patience slip away.
I mean, yes, there always can happen stuff that hinders you and playing against the best of the best is probably quite intimidating but I see this so often that it is just unlikely that this is not some kind of nerves/anxiety/motivation-problem. It's so sad because I think those players are giving opportunites away and by deciding to rather not participate they're making it even more unlikely that they'll climb to the top, ever. Especially players like Taeja and Dandy who are on a team should have some kind of conscientiousness.
---- This is why I still think we need some kind of Code A in Korea in order to give realistic opportunities to lesser players.
And who is gonna pay for that =) ?
I wrote about this earlier. I think one could skip GSL vs the World. The saved prize money and event costs should be more than enough to support a small Code A.
People actually what GSL vs the world tho, it make some money and publicity if you want to cut something your better with a Super Tournament who have less viewership, let's be honest almost no one would wake up at 4 am to watch Dandy vs Keen. Olimoleague rarelly has more then 2000-2500 people all stream combine and it's the best in the words.
Neither is Olimoleague offline nor is it presented by famous casters. Also there wouldn't be only Keen and Dandy in it but also every now and then some big names. But I'm open to other ideas about how to support new blood in the korean scene. I just see: there exists new blood but it has almost no chance to rise up because of the top heavy competition. Region lock proved that indeed a lack of opportunities was a major reason for the foreign scene to shrink. The same does apply for the korean scene.
I'm not saying not to do it, but if you have to sacrify something better a ST then GSLvsTW, code A would be nice but it's clearly an investment not a profitable venture at this time or at least not as profitable as an elite tournament. I would like to see it, but honestly I can't see Blizz putting that much money while cutting other tournament prize pools and production for example they just stop financing Ladder Heroes who was dedicated to grow the NA and EU up and comer and it cost nothing compare to an offline code A. I really would like to have code A, but I just don't think it's realistic atm, maybe amateur online cup is a better way to go.
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Let's move on.
