Community Update - March 12, 2019 - Page 5

On March 14 2019 09:44 BerserkSword wrote:


if high templars are trying to feedback ravens, it's fewer storms a terran player has to worry about

also, in a real engagement, the raven has the advantage as it's faster and aam and interference matrix have longer range than feedback it gets to dictate the battle. not to mention the fact that high templars might be hiding in prisms or at the back of armies for protection

the existence of high templars is no excuse not to abuse a powerful spell caster like the raven

On March 14 2019 11:51 Athenau wrote:


Interference matrix and feedback both have nine range.

On March 14 2019 13:06 BerserkSword wrote:


yes but AAM has 10

the point i was making is that due to the mobility of the raven and the lack strong protoss anti air, combined with the much more vulnerable high templar (slow, low health ground unit, often needs protection in prism, back of army), it is the raven that dictates the interactions. High templars cannot simply go raven hunting due to the nature of this dynamic - they would be baited/exposed and destroyed, and wasting energy on trying to feedback ravens would leave the gateway units at risk of being melted by stim bio

The bottom line is that ravens are more than viable in TvP - they are phenomenal and feedback wont give the Raven user any nightmares

On March 14 2019 13:15 pvsnp wrote:


What I've seen Stats do is rush out a single HT after going colossus. No storm or anything, just in order to zone out a raven during Terran's initial stim push. When the fight comes, gateway units in front, HT in the middle, colossus in back. IM has 9 range. Colossus has 9 range. Feedback has 9 range. Do the math.

Terran can disable the HT, but it's a projectile and leaves more than enough time to get a feedback off. And HT is not the threat, it just zones out the raven so the colossus can go to town on the bio.

Ravens can be very good under some circumstances, but they can also be hard countered.

On March 14 2019 15:15 skdsk wrote:
Its honestly really strange how blizzard gives toss like 3 mass aoe killing options in tvp all of them can wipe your army in 1-2 shots, yet terran only really has widow mine, which is situational and nowhere on the same power as protoss options, they have ghost, but ghost doesnt even kill the targets he aoes. So protoss is like you have liberators ghost raven wm you only need to use them all and its all ok!. Try to use 4 caster and micro your bio ball at same time, will see how it goes to you.. i specifically try to macro in every tvp, but honestly i lose pretty much every game...

On March 14 2019 12:13 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Most protoss players in diamond dont even upgrade their units anyways. . .

On March 14 2019 16:56 BerserkSword wrote:


Without those AOE, Protoss would be complete trash. Protoss AOE is their equalizer.

If Terran, with the pound for pound most efficient units in the game, gets Protoss tier AOE, they become broken -

See: old Raven

Widow mines are great too, I dont know what youre talking about. They almost always pay for themselves at the very least.

And you forgot the siege tank

What 4 casters are you talking about....that sounds more like the Protoss army which is so reliant on spells/abilities

You micro the bio, kite them with the support of your widow mine/liberator push, and the only casters you have are ghosts for high templar and ravens for disruptor/colossus, generally speaking

On March 14 2019 19:36 skdsk wrote:

Pretty much every terran unit have ability and you need to use it correctly or the unit becomes useless, compare lets say protos death ball of zealot stalker archon colosus ht and terran mmm raven wm liberator ghost. All protoss need to do is drop storms, and micro his units, terran needs to use emp, constantly siege unsiege liberator and widow mines, micro his bio like crazy, use raven spells, so terran needs to use 2-3times more skills then protoss for even battle...

Also another problem is Protoss dont have to "answer" to any unit terran makes, for example if protoss makes ht, terran needs to make ghosts or he gets rekt, if protoss makes colosus terran needs vikings or libs with range. Protoss doesnt need to make anything to answer to terran units all his units already counters everything terrans make.

On March 14 2019 19:36 skdsk wrote:

Pretty much every terran unit have ability and you need to use it correctly or the unit becomes useless, compare lets say protos death ball of zealot stalker archon colosus ht and terran mmm raven wm liberator ghost. All protoss need to do is drop storms, and micro his units, terran needs to use emp, constantly siege unsiege liberator and widow mines, micro his bio like crazy, use raven spells, so terran needs to use 2-3times more skills then protoss for even battle...

Also another problem is Protoss dont have to "answer" to any unit terran makes, for example if protoss makes ht, terran needs to make ghosts or he gets rekt, if protoss makes colosus terran needs vikings or libs with range. Protoss doesnt need to make anything to answer to terran units all his units already counters everything terrans make.

On March 14 2019 20:07 MockHamill wrote:


This so much. I even had Protoss opponents that did not even scout I was going mech, made their normal comp, a-moved over my army and messaged me after the game "I had no idea you were using mech".

Something is seriously wrong with TvP. Protoss never have to adapt.

If you make Tanks their normal mass Zealots works great.
If you make Liberators, they always have some Tempest anyway.
If you make BC stalkers work just fine, if not just add a few Tempest.

Meanwhile trying to mech vs Protoss is hell. If you get the ratio between anti-ground and anti-air units slightly wrong, it is GG. Terran needs to adept perfectly to Protoss openers, unit comp, expansion speed etc.

What do Protoss need to adjust? Maybe add a few shield batteries when you are army is moving toward their base.

Also, why did Protoss even get the Disruptor? Why give the death ball race the anti-death ball tool? Why give them something that outranges tanks even though Protoss have plenty of strong answers already?

Something is really wrong with TvP that goes way beyond win rates.

On March 14 2019 21:01 BerserkSword wrote:
Maru just eviscerated Neeb, probably the second best late game protoss player in the world, in late game TvP despite neeb having major economic advantage as well as all 3 forms of AOE

Turns out that lategame TvP is not as bad as many terran players claim it is. skyterran + ghost just shits on protoss late game

P.S. Maru won game 1 with raven, and game 3 on widow mine spam

On March 14 2019 17:27 opisska wrote:


That is simply false. The 2019 playerbase on ladder is mainly hardcore players, the people who played sc2 as one if a dozen other games per month left years ago. Woth no upgrades, you will get demolished most of the time even in platinum.