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On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win.
There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally.
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On March 06 2019 07:18 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win. There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally.
As previously pointed out, soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost; every defeat slowly eroded his confidence to the point it became a "curse" for him and perceived as such by the viewers.
Evidently, the fact he will be forced to retire at the end of the year allowed him to overcome his block and eventually win a well deserved prestigious title.
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On March 06 2019 07:18 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win. There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally.
Psychological barrier is the wrong term, it was not that he could not win due to psychological factors, it was just that those factors effected him. The mental state effects all players, everyone have times when they perform worse due to strain, fear, pressure, exhilaration or similar that doesn't mean they have a barrier
soO didn't have to overcome a mental block "just like any other champion", any other champion hasn't lost three consecutive finals. Most champions don't even know a fraction of the pressure soO has been through, maybe thats why he was able to play well, maybe the pressure gave him strength rather than create a block.
As previously pointed out, soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost; every defeat slowly eroded his confidence to the point it became a "curse" for him and perceived as such by the viewers.
Evidently, the fact he will be forced to retire at the end of the year allowed him to overcome his block and eventually win a well deserved prestigious title.
Not sure it was due to him retiring, he has been considering retiring many times, that didn't make him win a finals before. I don't think his victory should be cheapened to the point that its chored up to be just because he is about to retire.
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It'll be interesting to see if this win gives him the mentality to finally win his true white whail: the GSL
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On March 06 2019 08:55 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 07:18 SC-Shield wrote:On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win. There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally. Psychological barrier is the wrong term, it was not that he could not win due to psychological factors, it was just that those factors effected him. The mental state effects all players, everyone have times when they perform worse due to strain, fear, pressure, exhilaration or similar that doesn't mean they have a barrier soO didn't have to overcome a mental block "just like any other champion", any other champion hasn't lost three consecutive finals. Most champions don't even know a fraction of the pressure soO has been through, maybe thats why he was able to play well, maybe the pressure gave him strength rather than create a block. Show nested quote +As previously pointed out, soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost; every defeat slowly eroded his confidence to the point it became a "curse" for him and perceived as such by the viewers.
Evidently, the fact he will be forced to retire at the end of the year allowed him to overcome his block and eventually win a well deserved prestigious title. Not sure it was due to him retiring, he has been considering retiring many times, that didn't make him win a finals before. I don't think his victory should be cheapened to the point that its chored up to be just because he is about to retire.
He had considered retiring in the past, now he knows for sure he will have to; that's a big difference, to me.
I don't think this cheapens his victory, to me it makes it more epic. soO had looked stronger in the past coming into the finals and there were situations when his victory looked a much likelier conclusion, yet he won now; not sure it's just a coincidence.
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On March 06 2019 09:32 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 08:55 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 06 2019 07:18 SC-Shield wrote:On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win. There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally. Psychological barrier is the wrong term, it was not that he could not win due to psychological factors, it was just that those factors effected him. The mental state effects all players, everyone have times when they perform worse due to strain, fear, pressure, exhilaration or similar that doesn't mean they have a barrier soO didn't have to overcome a mental block "just like any other champion", any other champion hasn't lost three consecutive finals. Most champions don't even know a fraction of the pressure soO has been through, maybe thats why he was able to play well, maybe the pressure gave him strength rather than create a block. As previously pointed out, soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost; every defeat slowly eroded his confidence to the point it became a "curse" for him and perceived as such by the viewers.
Evidently, the fact he will be forced to retire at the end of the year allowed him to overcome his block and eventually win a well deserved prestigious title. Not sure it was due to him retiring, he has been considering retiring many times, that didn't make him win a finals before. I don't think his victory should be cheapened to the point that its chored up to be just because he is about to retire. He had considered retiring in the past, now he knows for sure he will have to; that's a big difference, to me. I don't think this cheapens his victory, to me it makes it more epic. soO had looked stronger in the past coming into the finals and there were situations when his victory looked a much likelier conclusion, yet he won now; not sure it's just a coincidence.
I think you're interpretation is still off.
The idea that "soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost" is just plainly wrong. He was considered a favorite or equal in multiple of his finals.
I think there is a bigger factor than him being forced to retire soon: he had very little pressure at this event. He wasn't considered by anybody to make an impact. He probably was counted out by many to even get out of his group - and rightfully so, considering the very close results of his group. There weren't expectations laying on him and with every step he already was "overperformig" while being considered the underdog even in the finals. SoO was more able to just play his
style without thinking about the outcome too much.
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On March 06 2019 12:46 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 06 2019 08:55 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 06 2019 07:18 SC-Shield wrote:On March 05 2019 16:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Very cool moment to watch live. So happy he finally managed to break the curse and to see how happy he was to win. There's no curse. It's a psychological barrier which he had to overcome just like any champion. Admittedly, his path to the victory was longer, hence more emotional. Congratulations to soO as this still quite an achievement to keep trying and to win finally. Psychological barrier is the wrong term, it was not that he could not win due to psychological factors, it was just that those factors effected him. The mental state effects all players, everyone have times when they perform worse due to strain, fear, pressure, exhilaration or similar that doesn't mean they have a barrier soO didn't have to overcome a mental block "just like any other champion", any other champion hasn't lost three consecutive finals. Most champions don't even know a fraction of the pressure soO has been through, maybe thats why he was able to play well, maybe the pressure gave him strength rather than create a block. As previously pointed out, soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost; every defeat slowly eroded his confidence to the point it became a "curse" for him and perceived as such by the viewers.
Evidently, the fact he will be forced to retire at the end of the year allowed him to overcome his block and eventually win a well deserved prestigious title. Not sure it was due to him retiring, he has been considering retiring many times, that didn't make him win a finals before. I don't think his victory should be cheapened to the point that its chored up to be just because he is about to retire. He had considered retiring in the past, now he knows for sure he will have to; that's a big difference, to me. I don't think this cheapens his victory, to me it makes it more epic. soO had looked stronger in the past coming into the finals and there were situations when his victory looked a much likelier conclusion, yet he won now; not sure it's just a coincidence. I think you're interpretation is still off. The idea that "soO wasn't expected to win every single final he lost" is just plainly wrong. He was considered a favorite or equal in multiple of his finals. I think there is a bigger factor than him being forced to retire soon: he had very little pressure at this event. He wasn't considered by anybody to make an impact. He probably was counted out by many to even get out of his group - and rightfully so, considering the very close results of his group. There weren't expectations laying on him and with every step he already was "overperformig" while being considered the underdog even in the finals. SoO was more able to just play his style without thinking about the outcome too much.
That's...a stretch, to put it lightly. But maybe now that he has won a championship he'll be able to get better results in other tournaments.
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Why is he being forced to retire exactly? He reached a point where he cannot postpone further his military service?
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On March 04 2019 00:23 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
...if soO can change his reputation from that as StarCraft II's biggest loser...
wow, ouch! that is such an unfair statement. he was one of the greatest before, anyways!
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On March 06 2019 18:19 MrMischelito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:23 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
...if soO can change his reputation from that as StarCraft II's biggest loser... wow, ouch! that is such an unfair statement. he was one of the greatest before, anyways!
can only agree. Even if you "only" become 2nd so many times in a row it still means you have been to the final every time and been better than so many other in this tournaments.
It's good to see such a passionate guy win a trophy after so many years especially in that fashion.
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On March 06 2019 18:34 spenzer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:19 MrMischelito wrote:On March 04 2019 00:23 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
...if soO can change his reputation from that as StarCraft II's biggest loser... wow, ouch! that is such an unfair statement. he was one of the greatest before, anyways! can only agree. Even if you "only" become 2nd so many times in a row it still means you have been to the final every time and been better than so many other in this tournaments. It's good to see such a passionate guy win a trophy after so many years especially in that fashion.
Just look the videos and interviews in general. Korean society is nowhere near as forgiving to 2nd places as you are.
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On March 06 2019 19:21 kajtarp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:34 spenzer wrote:On March 06 2019 18:19 MrMischelito wrote:On March 04 2019 00:23 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
...if soO can change his reputation from that as StarCraft II's biggest loser... wow, ouch! that is such an unfair statement. he was one of the greatest before, anyways! can only agree. Even if you "only" become 2nd so many times in a row it still means you have been to the final every time and been better than so many other in this tournaments. It's good to see such a passionate guy win a trophy after so many years especially in that fashion. Just look the videos and interviews in general. Korean society is nowhere near as forgiving to 2nd places as you are.
They adopted the Bender philosophy? Second place? That's just a fancy word for losing!
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Ok hopefully u sickos are done arguing about nonsense now....did anybody see that soO streamed what looked like replay analysis of iem last night!?!?? I sub his stream and would be so insanely greatful to someone who would watch vod and translate.
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On March 06 2019 23:06 DomeGetta wrote:
Ok hopefully u sickos are done arguing about nonsense now....did anybody see that soO streamed what looked like replay analysis of iem last night!?!?? I sub his stream and would be so insanely greatful to someone who would watch vod and translate.
saddest part is that he discussed it on pure Korean and you're correct, it would be insanely grateful if someone translated it.
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On March 06 2019 23:30 SamirDuran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:06 DomeGetta wrote:
Ok hopefully u sickos are done arguing about nonsense now....did anybody see that soO streamed what looked like replay analysis of iem last night!?!?? I sub his stream and would be so insanely greatful to someone who would watch vod and translate. saddest part is that he discussed it on pure Korean and you're correct, it would be insanely grateful if someone translated it.
It's no soO, but I think ZG did some replay analysis of IEM Katowice but IDK if it was only terran, I assume Pig will do some in the near future too, I'm sure other streamer/ pro player did/will also do it. It could satisfy you, I'll be surprise if anyone translate a full stream from korean to english to be honest
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On March 06 2019 19:21 kajtarp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:34 spenzer wrote:On March 06 2019 18:19 MrMischelito wrote:On March 04 2019 00:23 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
...if soO can change his reputation from that as StarCraft II's biggest loser... wow, ouch! that is such an unfair statement. he was one of the greatest before, anyways! can only agree. Even if you "only" become 2nd so many times in a row it still means you have been to the final every time and been better than so many other in this tournaments. It's good to see such a passionate guy win a trophy after so many years especially in that fashion. Just look the videos and interviews in general. Korean society is nowhere near as forgiving to 2nd places as you are.
Its funny how fens thing its about glory, and glory is just AIR.
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On March 04 2019 00:44 fishjie wrote:
to me, this win is more amazing than maru triple GSL first place finishes, and serrals 2018 dominance and becoming first foreigner to win blizzcon and best player in the world
Literally can't comprehend how one could actually think this.
Maru finally rising up was more inspirational than soO's. They both been playing sc2 for nearly same amount of time, both won some tournaments here and there but nothing major until finally Maru won 3 back to back GSLs compared to soO's one Katowice win.
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On March 07 2019 03:53 blardoh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:44 fishjie wrote:
to me, this win is more amazing than maru triple GSL first place finishes, and serrals 2018 dominance and becoming first foreigner to win blizzcon and best player in the world Literally can't comprehend how one could actually think this.
With soO's win there was much drama and emotions. Some people like that (I don't understand either, Maru's and Serral's accomplishments are far more amazing imo).
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On March 07 2019 03:53 blardoh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:44 fishjie wrote:
to me, this win is more amazing than maru triple GSL first place finishes, and serrals 2018 dominance and becoming first foreigner to win blizzcon and best player in the world Literally can't comprehend how one could actually think this. Maru finally rising up was more inspirational than soO's. They both been playing sc2 for nearly same amount of time, both won some tournaments here and there but nothing major until finally Maru won 3 back to back GSLs compared to soO's one Katowice win.
Uhem, Maru played sc2 since inception, soO only joined in 2 years later. Also, Maru became relevant (as the top tier player, before anyone nitpicks) right as he won a starleague title.
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On March 07 2019 03:53 blardoh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:44 fishjie wrote:
to me, this win is more amazing than maru triple GSL first place finishes, and serrals 2018 dominance and becoming first foreigner to win blizzcon and best player in the world Literally can't comprehend how one could actually think this. Maru finally rising up was more inspirational than soO's. They both been playing sc2 for nearly same amount of time, both won some tournaments here and there but nothing major until finally Maru won 3 back to back GSLs compared to soO's one Katowice win.
Maru was a double Royal Roader and the best Proleague player in SC2 history years before his triple GSL run.
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