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Code S RO16 Groups & Schedule (S1 2019) - Page 2

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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 17:54:07
February 21 2019 17:53 GMT
#21
Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '

It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 21 2019 18:15 GMT
#22
I hope Patience beat Maru on some bullshit
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33457 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 18:33:34
February 21 2019 18:29 GMT
#23
On February 22 2019 02:53 Pandain wrote:
Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '

It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.


Given the group selection order, I think that's what should always happen when everyone is picking "optimally."
  1. Maru picks the weakest player with #1 pick.
  2. No one wants to pick the second weakest player because they know Maru will swap for him at the end.
  3. Weakest player (picked by Maru) picks the second weakest player.
  4. Maru swaps for the third weakest player.

This theory only works because there's presently very severe skill stratification in the RO16 so that the 3~4 worst players are obvious to everyone regardless of match-up/race, whereas in years past there was enough parity in the RO16 that the 'worst' player could vary greatly depending on one's preferred match-up/race.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15995 Posts
February 21 2019 18:32 GMT
#24
On February 22 2019 01:50 swarminfestor wrote:
I dont like Maru get the easiest group while Rogue get the hardest group again. Even though Rogue may survives, his mind will be shattered and his beast mode will be toned down just like the two previous code s series before the semifinal.

Rogue wouldn't advance past the ro8 anyway. He has a worse record in GSL ro8s than soO has in finals
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 18:42:55
February 21 2019 18:41 GMT
#25
On February 22 2019 02:48 kajtarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2019 02:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On February 22 2019 02:41 kajtarp wrote:
TY having a hard group is his fault too. Picking Gumiho first? There were way weaker players available to pick...


He was afraid that if he gets the weaker, Maru will replace him with second hardest player in his group, so he picked the one in the "middle range"


Same thing goes for Gumiho when he picked soO. He wasn't the weakest player available to pick by far...

GuMiho's approach made sense to me though. He wanted to avoid Protoss like the plague (the only "easy" Protoss to pick was Patience who wouldn't have stayed in the group anyway). So he was basically limited to Inno, Cure, soO and Rogue. And then he said he wouldn't pick a Terran because he expected Inno to end up as the final player (so picking Inno would be pointless and picking Cure would just net him a 4 Terran group). He was wrong in the end though, obviously.

On February 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
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On February 22 2019 02:10 Elentos wrote:
On February 22 2019 01:50 Waxangel wrote:
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote:
TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...


Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho

TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.

At the same time I think he's only lost in a single group stage out of every LotV tournament. The only group I recall him losing in is GSL S1 ro16 last year.

Indeed, if that hadn't happened this year TY could have possibly become the first player to reach the Ro8 of GSL 10 times in a row. He's 7 in 8 for LotV.
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
February 21 2019 18:58 GMT
#26
Wow, Innovation not going to be eliminated by Terrans for the 10000th straight time. Excited! :D
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 21 2019 19:01 GMT
#27
2 groups in a day? That's rare
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
February 21 2019 19:01 GMT
#28
On February 22 2019 04:01 Akio wrote:
2 groups in a day? That's rare

Well it's not 2 groups in a day in a real timezone
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 21 2019 19:07 GMT
#29
On February 22 2019 03:29 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2019 02:53 Pandain wrote:
Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '

It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.


Given the group selection order, I think that's what should always happen when everyone is picking "optimally."
  1. Maru picks the weakest player with #1 pick.
  2. No one wants to pick the second weakest player because they know Maru will swap for him at the end.
  3. Weakest player (picked by Maru) picks the second weakest player.
  4. Maru swaps for the third weakest player.

This theory only works because there's presently very severe skill stratification in the RO16 so that the 3~4 worst players are obvious to everyone regardless of match-up/race, whereas in years past there was enough parity in the RO16 that the 'worst' player could vary greatly depending on one's preferred match-up/race.


Great point.
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
February 21 2019 19:09 GMT
#30
Can Patience make ro8?
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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
February 21 2019 19:40 GMT
#31
Maru is just smart. He literally has the weakest players from all 3 races in his group.
Group C and D look tough. Just hope soO makes it out. That's all it matters.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 21 2019 20:19 GMT
#32
Maru getting an easy group isn't remarkable at all. It's the way some of the top seeds in the past have managed to get difficult groups that's remarkable (though I believe the swap rules have changed, so things weren't always as favourable to the previous winner).
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
February 21 2019 20:40 GMT
#33
Doesn't feel right not seeing sOs and Stats in a ro16 group..
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 21:07:14
February 21 2019 21:06 GMT
#34
On February 22 2019 03:41 Elentos wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
On February 22 2019 02:10 Elentos wrote:
On February 22 2019 01:50 Waxangel wrote:
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote:
TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...


Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho

TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.

At the same time I think he's only lost in a single group stage out of every LotV tournament. The only group I recall him losing in is GSL S1 ro16 last year.

Indeed, if that hadn't happened this year TY could have possibly become the first player to reach the Ro8 of GSL 10 times in a row. He's 7 in 8 for LotV.


Yeah it really sucked that he lost that one against Dark and some newcomer called aLive.

Would have been sick to have the TY Award for 10 straight quarterfinals. At least he should get the PartinG award next season, but still

PS. Very hyped for three of these groups! Ro16 is going to be so sick!
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 21 2019 21:47 GMT
#35
Bunny is not the weakest Terran player left and I find unlikely that Rogue will never reach Code S semifinals.
Popparockz
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
February 21 2019 21:52 GMT
#36
innovation already showed amazing TvP in the Ro32, so I expect him to crush that group.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 21 2019 22:11 GMT
#37
On February 22 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:
Bunny is not the weakest Terran player left


Well, in TvT he is the weakest and that is what matters regarding Maru
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19288 Posts
February 21 2019 22:12 GMT
#38
Serral and Maru are being spoon fed the group stages. They better be ready for when they meet top tier players.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 21 2019 22:12 GMT
#39
can anyone give me a quick rundown how Inno ended up with 3 P in his group? cant really watch the vod right now
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 22:37:07
February 21 2019 22:30 GMT
#40
On February 22 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:
Bunny is not the weakest Terran player left and I find unlikely that Rogue will never reach Code S semifinals.


He isn't?

I guess Cure is not a top Terran either, but he always struck me as more well-rounded. Bunny seems very predictable with lots of drops and his TvT is meh.
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