The Code S round of 16 groups have been determined following Thursday night's live Group Nomination show (watch the VODs on YouTube). Groups A & D (March 8-9) will be played following IEM Katowice, while Groups B & C (March 20 & 23) will be played after another break for WESG.
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Group A:Everyone thought himself can advance. Group B:Maybe Dark calm down this time, but result is not consistent.Dear and herO are good at PvZ. Croup C:Classic Trap Innovation sOs Group D:sOs was so lucky that he did not fall in Group D.
Lol, be INnoVation and literally direct 100% of your whining at Protoss, get in a group w/ 3 protoss. RIP
A: Maru &... Patience? Should be Maru > Impact, Patience > Bunny right? Then Bunny > Impact, Patience > Bunny. I don't recall Bunny's TvP being as strong as his TvZ B: Dark Dear. herO still doesn't seem to be playing particularly well, and I favor Dear > Cure. C: Classic Inno, I think Trap and sOs don't have the best PvT. I'd probably favor sOs > Classic head to head, so it'll depend on the bracket D: Everybody loses except the audience. Betting TY Rogue, since I think TY has stronger TvT than Gumi and all around good TvZ, while Rogue should be favored against Gumiho and against soO.
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
I dont like Maru get the easiest group while Rogue get the hardest group again. Even though Rogue may survives, his mind will be shattered and his beast mode will be toned down just like the two previous code s series before the semifinal.
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
I mean if Zest beat Patience, Fantasy beat Impact, and Stats got out of his group, there would be no easy group for Maru to make.
Besides, he is guaranteed an elite ro.8 opponent unless Cure gets through.
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
I mean if Zest beat Patience, Fantasy beat Impact, and Stats got out of his group, there would be no easy group for Maru to make.
Besides, he is guaranteed an elite ro.8 opponent unless Cure gets through.
He made herO look worthless in the Ro32. Don't think Maru is worried about anyone in group B except for Dark.
On February 22 2019 02:41 kajtarp wrote: TY having a hard group is his fault too. Picking Gumiho first? There were way weaker players available to pick...
He was afraid that if he gets the weaker, Maru will replace him with second hardest player in his group, so he picked the one in the "middle range"
On February 22 2019 02:41 kajtarp wrote: TY having a hard group is his fault too. Picking Gumiho first? There were way weaker players available to pick...
He was afraid that if he gets the weaker, Maru will replace him with second hardest player in his group, so he picked the one in the "middle range"
Same thing goes for Gumiho when he picked soO. He wasn't the weakest player available to pick by far...
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.
At the same time I think he's only lost in a single group stage out of every LotV tournament. The only group I recall him losing in is GSL S1 ro16 last year.
Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '
It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.
On February 22 2019 02:53 Pandain wrote: Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '
It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.
Given the group selection order, I think that's what should always happen when everyone is picking "optimally."
Maru picks the weakest player with #1 pick.
No one wants to pick the second weakest player because they know Maru will swap for him at the end.
Weakest player (picked by Maru) picks the second weakest player.
Maru swaps for the third weakest player.
This theory only works because there's presently very severe skill stratification in the RO16 so that the 3~4 worst players are obvious to everyone regardless of match-up/race, whereas in years past there was enough parity in the RO16 that the 'worst' player could vary greatly depending on one's preferred match-up/race.
On February 22 2019 01:50 swarminfestor wrote: I dont like Maru get the easiest group while Rogue get the hardest group again. Even though Rogue may survives, his mind will be shattered and his beast mode will be toned down just like the two previous code s series before the semifinal.
Rogue wouldn't advance past the ro8 anyway. He has a worse record in GSL ro8s than soO has in finals
On February 22 2019 02:41 kajtarp wrote: TY having a hard group is his fault too. Picking Gumiho first? There were way weaker players available to pick...
He was afraid that if he gets the weaker, Maru will replace him with second hardest player in his group, so he picked the one in the "middle range"
Same thing goes for Gumiho when he picked soO. He wasn't the weakest player available to pick by far...
GuMiho's approach made sense to me though. He wanted to avoid Protoss like the plague (the only "easy" Protoss to pick was Patience who wouldn't have stayed in the group anyway). So he was basically limited to Inno, Cure, soO and Rogue. And then he said he wouldn't pick a Terran because he expected Inno to end up as the final player (so picking Inno would be pointless and picking Cure would just net him a 4 Terran group). He was wrong in the end though, obviously.
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.
At the same time I think he's only lost in a single group stage out of every LotV tournament. The only group I recall him losing in is GSL S1 ro16 last year.
Indeed, if that hadn't happened this year TY could have possibly become the first player to reach the Ro8 of GSL 10 times in a row. He's 7 in 8 for LotV.
On February 22 2019 02:53 Pandain wrote: Maru obviously gets an insane advantage, but has there ever been a time in GSL history that it's literally been the strongest player and the three weakest in a group? '
It's a little bit crazy that one of Patience, Bunny, and Impact will be in the round of 8 and one match away from a Ro4.
Given the group selection order, I think that's what should always happen when everyone is picking "optimally."
Maru picks the weakest player with #1 pick.
No one wants to pick the second weakest player because they know Maru will swap for him at the end.
Weakest player (picked by Maru) picks the second weakest player.
Maru swaps for the third weakest player.
This theory only works because there's presently very severe skill stratification in the RO16 so that the 3~4 worst players are obvious to everyone regardless of match-up/race, whereas in years past there was enough parity in the RO16 that the 'worst' player could vary greatly depending on one's preferred match-up/race.
Maru is just smart. He literally has the weakest players from all 3 races in his group. Group C and D look tough. Just hope soO makes it out. That's all it matters.
Maru getting an easy group isn't remarkable at all. It's the way some of the top seeds in the past have managed to get difficult groups that's remarkable (though I believe the swap rules have changed, so things weren't always as favourable to the previous winner).
On February 22 2019 01:42 sneakyfox wrote: TY gets the group of death. AGAIN. And Maru gets the easiest possible group. Again...
Well, the group selection format makes it almost impossible for the #1 seed to get a bad group since you get TWO unquestioned picks. Tough shit for TY tho
TY has hard groups every season. At this point he should be used to it.
At the same time I think he's only lost in a single group stage out of every LotV tournament. The only group I recall him losing in is GSL S1 ro16 last year.
Indeed, if that hadn't happened this year TY could have possibly become the first player to reach the Ro8 of GSL 10 times in a row. He's 7 in 8 for LotV.
Yeah it really sucked that he lost that one against Dark and some newcomer called aLive.
Would have been sick to have the TY Award for 10 straight quarterfinals. At least he should get the PartinG award next season, but still
PS. Very hyped for three of these groups! Ro16 is going to be so sick!
On February 22 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote: Bunny is not the weakest Terran player left and I find unlikely that Rogue will never reach Code S semifinals.
He isn't?
I guess Cure is not a top Terran either, but he always struck me as more well-rounded. Bunny seems very predictable with lots of drops and his TvT is meh.
On February 22 2019 07:12 Geo.Rion wrote: can anyone give me a quick rundown how Inno ended up with 3 P in his group? cant really watch the vod right now
Classic only preferred P so he chose Trap, Trap was considering a Terran and Cure didn't want to get picked into the group and therefore Trap picked Inno. Rogue begged to be picked by Inno and he taunted him hard but Inno said he would prefer to practise only one matchup and picked sOs.
On February 22 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote: Bunny is not the weakest Terran player left and I find unlikely that Rogue will never reach Code S semifinals.
He isn't?
I guess Cure is not a top Terran either, but he always struck me as more well-rounded. Bunny seems very predictable with lots of drops and his TvT is meh.
TvT is historically his weakest matchup, it's true. However, Bunny has been performing quite well since HSC and his form is better than Cure's and Gumiho's: surviving the arguably toughest Code S group and, most importantly, directly qualifying for IEM seem respectable feats to me. He showed nice mech play in addiction to his drop heavy style.
the idea of forming groups with a little talk show is good, little variety to just playing thru the tournament. but gsl could consider cutting the time by 2 thirds. also would be easier for players as most dont seem to enjoy the little social event that much
On February 22 2019 07:12 BisuDagger wrote: Serral and Maru are being spoon fed the group stages. They better be ready for when they meet top tier players.
It's funny because Maru's last ro16 group (which people also said was insanely easy) included Reynor and Neeb, who are arguably the toughest opponents Serral can get in WCS. I mean there's no one who you'd say is stronger or outclasses them.
On February 22 2019 07:12 BisuDagger wrote: Serral and Maru are being spoon fed the group stages. They better be ready for when they meet top tier players.
It's funny because Maru's last ro16 group (which people also said was insanely easy) included Reynor and Neeb, who are arguably the toughest opponents Serral can get in WCS. I mean there's no one who you'd say is stronger or outclasses them.
On February 22 2019 07:12 BisuDagger wrote: Serral and Maru are being spoon fed the group stages. They better be ready for when they meet top tier players.
It's funny because Maru's last ro16 group (which people also said was insanely easy) included Reynor and Neeb, who are arguably the toughest opponents Serral can get in WCS. I mean there's no one who you'd say is stronger or outclasses them.
So Maru underestimated Reynor that time. He could've lost the set.
On February 23 2019 01:29 Charoisaur wrote: has this swap system always been like this? I don't think I've seen discussions about it being supposedly unfair before 2018
It's just that less great players are playing the game due to lack of practice and migrating to brood war. Swap system has been around forever, and it has had criticism whenever one-sided groups are formed. The idea comes from the MSL MBCGame StarCraft League (MSL) and even then it produced some outcomes that upset certain fans.
The thing is just that Maru has had no trouble creating a one-sided group because there are barely enough elite players in form to fill the round, and well upsets do happen.
On February 23 2019 01:29 Charoisaur wrote: has this swap system always been like this? I don't think I've seen discussions about it being supposedly unfair before 2018
It's just that less great players are playing the game due to lack of practice and migrating to brood war. Swap system has been around forever, and it has had criticism whenever one-sided groups are formed. The idea comes from the MSL MBCGame StarCraft League (MSL) and even then it produced some outcomes that upset certain fans.
The thing is just that Maru has had no trouble creating a one-sided group because there are barely enough elite players in form to fill the round, and well upsets do happen.
Maru also isn't much of a bragger and doesn't feel pressure to entertain the crowd. So he makes the most rational picks. For other champions rivalries, teammates and ego (I'm the best, I'll win anyway) were important factors in their decision making. Maru doesn't have to prove anything, he just does his thing.
On February 23 2019 01:29 Charoisaur wrote: has this swap system always been like this? I don't think I've seen discussions about it being supposedly unfair before 2018
It's just that less great players are playing the game due to lack of practice and migrating to brood war. Swap system has been around forever, and it has had criticism whenever one-sided groups are formed. The idea comes from the MSL MBCGame StarCraft League (MSL) and even then it produced some outcomes that upset certain fans.
The thing is just that Maru has had no trouble creating a one-sided group because there are barely enough elite players in form to fill the round, and well upsets do happen.
Maru also isn't much of a bragger and doesn't feel pressure to entertain the crowd. So he makes the most rational picks. For other champions rivalries, teammates and ego (I'm the best, I'll win anyway) were important factors in their decision making. Maru doesn't have to prove anything, he just does his thing.
Wonder what Dark would do with the swapping ability
On February 23 2019 01:29 Charoisaur wrote: has this swap system always been like this? I don't think I've seen discussions about it being supposedly unfair before 2018
It's just that less great players are playing the game due to lack of practice and migrating to brood war. Swap system has been around forever, and it has had criticism whenever one-sided groups are formed. The idea comes from the MSL MBCGame StarCraft League (MSL) and even then it produced some outcomes that upset certain fans.
The thing is just that Maru has had no trouble creating a one-sided group because there are barely enough elite players in form to fill the round, and well upsets do happen.
"Theres just less great players". Meanwhile group D could literally be RO4 and nobody would be surprised.
On February 23 2019 01:29 Charoisaur wrote: has this swap system always been like this? I don't think I've seen discussions about it being supposedly unfair before 2018
It's just that less great players are playing the game due to lack of practice and migrating to brood war. Swap system has been around forever, and it has had criticism whenever one-sided groups are formed. The idea comes from the MSL MBCGame StarCraft League (MSL) and even then it produced some outcomes that upset certain fans.
The thing is just that Maru has had no trouble creating a one-sided group because there are barely enough elite players in form to fill the round, and well upsets do happen.
Maru also isn't much of a bragger and doesn't feel pressure to entertain the crowd. So he makes the most rational picks. For other champions rivalries, teammates and ego (I'm the best, I'll win anyway) were important factors in their decision making. Maru doesn't have to prove anything, he just does his thing.
Wonder what Dark would do with the swapping ability
Put Classic with soO and INnoVation, while he had first picked Bunny.
On February 22 2019 01:50 swarminfestor wrote: I dont like Maru get the easiest group while Rogue get the hardest group again. Even though Rogue may survives, his mind will be shattered and his beast mode will be toned down just like the two previous code s series before the semifinal.
well thats what happen when ur considered the strongest player and are not top4 so u cant draft a group, you end in the last one most often the strongest one xD
Aside from #1 seed getting two picks, I think the draft order could be tweaked a bit. #2 seed being forced to have the last pick (hardest player) seems rough.
EPT
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