EPTWCS Disciplinary Rulings - Jan 15 2019 - Cyan, JieShi, Rou…
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geokilla
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 16 2019 11:59 geokilla wrote: Puck and Astrea should be banned as well in this case. Blizz checked Puck's replays and didn't find that puCK and Astrea were breaking any rules. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/agewna/wcs_disciplinary_rulings/ee62x6c/ | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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SC2Duderino
Austria13 Posts
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Howard_Kao
China261 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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shadow4723
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Also, Nice should get less sentencing since he has done something else than Cyan and Jieshi: the time has to fit the crime. Regarding the time, I feel like Cyan and Jieshi got away with so little punishment. I would have banned them for the whole season and they only got banned until about the end of WCS Winter | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 16 2019 17:22 shadow4723 wrote: I can't imagine Nice just making the collusion between Puck and Astrea completely up. I am not sure what the replay analysis did to explain why Nice believed they were colluding. Also, Nice should get less sentencing since he has done something else than Cyan and Jieshi: the time has to fit the crime. Regarding the time, I feel like Cyan and Jieshi got away with so little punishment. I would have banned them for the whole season and they only got banned until about the end of WCS Winter Well, there's one hypothesis that is the most obvious and the most easy to spot. I leave the rest upon you  | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On January 16 2019 17:22 shadow4723 wrote: I can't imagine Nice just making the collusion between Puck and Astrea completely up. I am not sure what the replay analysis did to explain why Nice believed they were colluding. Also, Nice should get less sentencing since he has done something else than Cyan and Jieshi: the time has to fit the crime. Regarding the time, I feel like Cyan and Jieshi got away with so little punishment. I would have banned them for the whole season and they only got banned until about the end of WCS Winter My best bet is that as the deadline was closing, it's harder to play more standard games, and thus as P players, the games devolve further and further into stupid looking games. That however, does not mean they were colluding together. Perhaps, both playing incredibly dumb to get a win quickly. At that point in the competition, and with the chinese players gaining points quickly, a loss is pretty much irrelevant, you just need points as fast as you can, and then try to not leave the game if you're gonna lose so it goes past the deadline if possible if u play vs some1 u dont want to gain points, or just leave if u dont mind losing to a person at that point Astrea was also streaming at this time to my knowledge?, cant really remember, but he was actively streaming some of it, and for how much puck grinds ladder/duration of his involvement in WCS, it just seems way too far-fetched to me. If blizzard also came to a similar conclusion, with the replay in their possession, then really all we can do is trust their decision unless there is real reason to suspect otherwise.... and coming from the people who just tried to rig essentially 4 spots... that doesn't lend much weight to an argument. I'm glad Blizzard gave a longer sentence this time around than the last infractions by players; and if it happens again, I hope the length doubles again. | ||
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stilt
France2752 Posts
On January 16 2019 10:27 Pandain wrote: Yeah, I don't have the information Blizzard does, but if Astrea knowingly had a thrown game, he should be banned. Zero tolerance. Yes, the reason why there are not punished (being not effective cuz they were a few seconds late) is ridiculous. Edit : my bad, should have read the whole thread. | ||
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busyghost
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On January 16 2019 17:05 Howard_Kao wrote: I think the problem is still the online ladder qualifier which make people think that they have the chance to cheat and not being caught. In the future this will be happened again if there are still this kind of qualifying way. It will promote better acting I guess.. The lessons for potential cheaters are obvious for the last three occasions in SC2. 1. Do never try to do instant quit games, they are too obvious. 2. Do not cross share accounts, most of the time players were caught via this method since it's easy to trace IPs. 3. Whatever contact methods you use with your friends, do never use in-game chat and do not publish intents on public social media. 4. Do make the games vary like not using the same all-in strategy over and over again. 5. Do not try to win all the time it looks too suspicious, lol but DNS tried to win 2 lose 1 i if I remember but he was still caught. Anyone wants to add? The major evidence for Cyan and Jieshi to get caught hard was: 1. The change of hot key setup and was similar to the ones Cyan used 2. The 0s free wins given to Jieshi, Cyan and Nice's accounts, literally instant quits. 3. Cyan found Route on his fan club group, and the chat history was exposed. 4. Route was investigated and gave in the details. 5. The in-game stats showed that both Cyan and Jieshi's IP address have shared Route's accounts. 4 and 5 were the most lethal The major evidence for Nice to be punished was just one: 1. He asked Route's account for a quick free win before the deadline time, using in-game chat. Maybe "smarter" cheaters can analyse these and cheat even better. Ultimately this method is pretty much just: 1. get your main account's MMR high enough and stop there. 2. Use a threshold MMR account (like 6000-6200MMRish0) to stop competitors from beblow. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On January 16 2019 18:48 busyghost wrote: It will promote better acting I guess.. The lessons for potential cheaters are obvious for the last three occasions in SC2. 1. Do never try to do instant quit games, they are too obvious. 2. Do not cross share accounts, most of the time players were caught via this method since it's easy to trace IPs. 3. Whatever contact methods you use with your friends, do never use in-game chat and do not publish intents on public social media. 4. Do make the games vary like not using the same all-in strategy over and over again. 5. Do not try to win all the time it looks too suspicious, lol but DNS tried to win 2 lose 1 i if I remember but he was still caught. Anyone wants to add? The major evidence for Cyan and Jieshi to get caught hard was: 1. The change of hot key setup and was similar to the ones Cyan used 2. The 0s free wins given to Jieshi, Cyan and Nice's accounts, literally instant quits. 3. Cyan found Route on his fan club group, and the chat history was exposed. 4. Route was investigated and gave in the details. 5. The in-game stats showed that both Cyan and Jieshi's IP address have shared Route's accounts. 4 and 5 were the most lethal The major evidence for Nice to be punished was just one: 1. He asked Route's account for a quick free win before the deadline time, using in-game chat. Maybe "smarter" cheaters can analyse these and cheat even better. Ultimately this method is pretty much just: 1. get your main account's MMR high enough and stop there. 2. Use a threshold MMR account (like 6000-6200MMRish0) to stop competitors from beblow. At least BLZ should stop using those ladder standing at specific moment as the criteria, which make winning or losing one single game matters too much in the last moment. Something like average MMR in the final day would be a much more reasonable factor. Basically Cyan, Jieshi and Nice are fully capable of getting 6.4kMMR without doubt, but they 'panic cheat' when they see Puck losing 3 games in a row to Astrea. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 16 2019 20:24 IshinShishi wrote: honestly feels unfair to Nice on the grand scheme of things Not really unfair, it's just kinda sad. From what i gathered, he really didnt intend to collude with Cyan and Jienshi at the beginning but was tempted into it, possibly because he has seen that they are doing it, and he believed Astera is doing it as well, so i guess he figured he doesnt want to be the only sucker who's just grinding. I really hope that the info from reddit is correct, and Blizz has analyzed the Puck vs Astera replay(s) before concluding the investigation. | ||
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Gianttt
Netherlands194 Posts
On January 16 2019 10:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I mean if Astrea and Puck were colluding they should also get banned regardless of whether they made the deadline or not. However, if they were merely rushing each other because they were trying to finish the game before 11.59 then that's not against the rules I think. Correct. That is making use of the rules, regardless if it sounds fair or not. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
I can log in to the KR server, win all matches and always instant leave against maru, would that get maru banned? | ||
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Elentos
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On January 16 2019 12:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Blizz checked Puck's replays and didn't find that puCK and Astrea were breaking any rules. I mean, the decision is up to Blizzard obviously. But regarding this I would like to remind everyone of the time where MajOr left EU ladder games during the ladder qualifier because he was sick. That's a lot less suspicious than Astrea and puCK and he still got banned from 1 season of Copa America. | ||
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Tadenatesh
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Deleted User 3420
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Besides, wasn't Astrea streaming at the time? I thought I remembered seeing a clip of his stream on sc2 reddit. But maybe my mind is misremembering. | ||
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