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On September 06 2018 16:18 Charoisaur wrote:
It seems like players are judged differently.
When Trap finishes 3rd in a ro16 group it proves he's a consistently good player - when someone like Stats, Inno or Dark gets 3rd in a ro16 group it's a terrible result which often makes them drop out of the PR completely despite having stronger results previously.
I agree with Dave4, Trap at #9 really seems like some kind of a meme or at least it's not consistent with how other players are judged.
I mean Trap at #9 despite 2 foreigners ahead of him says basically he's a top 8 player in KR despite never having reached the ro8.
This GSL's top 8 includes a foreigner... So he is technically 8-11 in Korea this August. 9th seems about right!
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Germany3367 Posts
On September 06 2018 01:21 Rodya wrote:
Neeb makes one GSL run and he's a top 8 player in the world? Dark > Neeb any day of the week and no it isn't close. The western bias in the english speaking SC2 community is insane.
By the way you just KNOW that the reason this power ranking came out today and not yesterday was that the writers were hoping Neeb would win, in which case they would put him on Rank 3 lmao
You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any "western bias" in the writing staff. And yes, I'd take Dark over Neeb any day, but that's not really what a PR is about (1v1 comparisons).
And no, we were not "hoping Neeb would win" - the PR was written before the semi-finals, as stated in the disclaimer. Originally there was even a prediction in the TY part saying that he's on course for a Code S finals appearance (because I was pretty sure he was going to win).
Our articles aren't part of some grand conspiracy to glorify foreigners or whatever the hell you seem to believe.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 06 2018 17:48 TheOneAboveU wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 01:21 Rodya wrote:
Neeb makes one GSL run and he's a top 8 player in the world? Dark > Neeb any day of the week and no it isn't close. The western bias in the english speaking SC2 community is insane.
By the way you just KNOW that the reason this power ranking came out today and not yesterday was that the writers were hoping Neeb would win, in which case they would put him on Rank 3 lmao You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any "western bias" in the writing staff. And yes, I'd take Dark over Neeb any day, but that's not really what a PR is about (1v1 comparisons). And no, we were not "hoping Neeb would win" - the PR was written before the semi-finals, as stated in the disclaimer. Originally there was even a prediction in the TY part saying that he's on course for a Code S finals appearance (because I was pretty sure he was going to win). Our articles aren't part of some grand conspiracy to glorify foreigners or whatever the hell you seem to believe.
That's what the US goverment says but we all know the aliens are among us, there was no Moon landing and Elvis lives under the sea. 
Denying conspiracy doesn't work, jsut saying
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On September 06 2018 19:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 17:48 TheOneAboveU wrote:On September 06 2018 01:21 Rodya wrote:
Neeb makes one GSL run and he's a top 8 player in the world? Dark > Neeb any day of the week and no it isn't close. The western bias in the english speaking SC2 community is insane.
By the way you just KNOW that the reason this power ranking came out today and not yesterday was that the writers were hoping Neeb would win, in which case they would put him on Rank 3 lmao You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any "western bias" in the writing staff. And yes, I'd take Dark over Neeb any day, but that's not really what a PR is about (1v1 comparisons). And no, we were not "hoping Neeb would win" - the PR was written before the semi-finals, as stated in the disclaimer. Originally there was even a prediction in the TY part saying that he's on course for a Code S finals appearance (because I was pretty sure he was going to win). Our articles aren't part of some grand conspiracy to glorify foreigners or whatever the hell you seem to believe. That's what the US goverment says but we all know the aliens are among us, there was no Moon landing and Elvis lives under the sea. Denying conspiracy doesn't work, jsut saying
Yeah... thing is that pretty much nothing "works" once you're dealing with someone sufficiently paranoid. Having said that, we all know that TL would have the power rank 100% populated by westerners if not for people like Rodya keeping them honest. But that's because TL writers are all reptoid aliens and part of the overall grand scheme of human subjugation.
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Good ranking, not sure Serral should be that high still but whatever - he's still killing it.
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On September 07 2018 00:48 DSK wrote:
Good ranking, not sure Serral should be that high still but whatever - he's still killing it. Would be weird to lose rank while not losing any games.
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On September 07 2018 01:58 Weavel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2018 00:48 DSK wrote:
Good ranking, not sure Serral should be that high still but whatever - he's still killing it. Would be weird to lose rank while not losing any games.
It really depends on how other players fluctuate in form. If Serral didn't do anything while TY won GSL he'd probably move down to #3 at least for example. I'm pretty sure in previous PRs he's gone up in rank without playing many games, or at least not any against players who would be near top 10, for that reason.
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Not much controversy besides... Zest over Stats? After Stats reached the finals at GSL vs the World by beating Maru? Are you kidding?
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Austria24422 Posts
On September 07 2018 03:57 Xamo wrote:
Not much controversy besides... Zest over Stats? After Stats reached the finals at GSL vs the World by beating Maru? Are you kidding?
Zest since won a tournament and beat Stats in GSL.
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I like this ranking, but I'm (pipe dream) hoping that Serral wins Montreal AND Blizzcon, and for the first time everyone has to say a non Korean is #1.
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On September 07 2018 11:06 mierin wrote:
I like this ranking, but I'm (pipe dream) hoping that Serral wins Montreal AND Blizzcon, and for the first time everyone has to say a non Korean is #1.
Honestly, at this point, there's a good chance that Maru is the only player whose peak play should be decisively favored over Serral. If he doesn't bring peak play to Blizzcon (and I'd guess there's a good chance he won't, but who knows), anything could happen.
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On September 06 2018 15:25 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 12:44 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 00:51 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 00:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seems reasonable. I think Dark should go ahead of Trap though. Yeah Trap has his number, but Dark in general looks to be the better overall player and still gets some respect for making it two rounds in GSL vs World, of which Trap was nowhere to be seen. Yeah but it wouldn't be as funny to TL writers if they didn't have Trap as 9. Did you know Trap finished 9-12 in every GSL this season? He's sitting at #9 in the KR WCS ranking. He's exactly where he should be. Hi Olli, pretty sure your own evidence just proves my point that trap is not #9: 1. Average of 9-12 means he should be 10.5 based on that solely, or worse if you look at the groups he has had. 2. If he is 9th in GSL but you guys put 2 players from WCS into the top 10 ahead of him, then he is at best 11th overall. So no he is definitely not 'exactly where he should be'. This also doesn't take into account the miriad other reasons that he is not 9th e.g. form, lack of notable achievements, lack of wins when it counts, lack of hot streaks, etc. I agree he is consistent - consistently not 9th. But for some reason TL always need him to be 9th, which I wouldn't care about except i don't think a perennial meme in a power rank is a good idea. What if you just made soO rank 2 all the time in every single one? You're keeping a player who deserves to be top 10 out solely for this silly meme. No, that's how you choose to interpret him being placed at #9 again. I don't care where he lands at all, and I doubt most of us do. It's just a fitting place for him to be, and has been for a while. Trap is consistently good, but just short of a Ro8 finish. The argument at the end of your post really shows you're just angry for the sake of it. None of our close but no cigar mentions deserves to be top 10 over Trap right now. soO made the Masters Coliseum finals but did really poorly otherwise, Innovation's been a trainwreck recently and Leenock might have made the Ro8 but has offered nothing else, while also having no previous results to make an argument for consistency. Trap has the latter. He's constantly been a top 10 player, capable of taking games and series off everybody, but not making deep tournament runs. Whether Dark should be above him or not is debatable, but I really don't see what the big difference is if you switch the two. In my opinion Trap has earned a bit of a "buffer" with previous consistent results, and hasn't done so poorly that his spot needs to be changed. Again, this can be argued, but Trap certainly isn't where he is because we think it's funny.
Short of a top 8 finish in GSL, plus Serral, therefore 10th at best and realistically he is not above Inno or Leenock. Clearly Dark at a minimum should definitely, indisputably ahead of Trap on any metric.
'Angry for the sake of it' - could be applied to absolutely any post on TL.
Anywho I look forward to seeing Trap in #9 again next month, best meme 2018.
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Watching Zest play he looks so far away from when he was the perfect Protoss a years ago. But don't know how he's getting the results \m/
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On September 07 2018 17:32 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Watching Zest play he looks so far away from when he was the perfect Protoss a years ago. But don't know how he's getting the results \m/
that's how i feel about zest, too. remember how well he would play in his proleague ace matches against maru? i miss that zest. but lately he's been getting results somehow.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 07 2018 15:53 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 15:25 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 12:44 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 00:51 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 00:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seems reasonable. I think Dark should go ahead of Trap though. Yeah Trap has his number, but Dark in general looks to be the better overall player and still gets some respect for making it two rounds in GSL vs World, of which Trap was nowhere to be seen. Yeah but it wouldn't be as funny to TL writers if they didn't have Trap as 9. Did you know Trap finished 9-12 in every GSL this season? He's sitting at #9 in the KR WCS ranking. He's exactly where he should be. Hi Olli, pretty sure your own evidence just proves my point that trap is not #9: 1. Average of 9-12 means he should be 10.5 based on that solely, or worse if you look at the groups he has had. 2. If he is 9th in GSL but you guys put 2 players from WCS into the top 10 ahead of him, then he is at best 11th overall. So no he is definitely not 'exactly where he should be'. This also doesn't take into account the miriad other reasons that he is not 9th e.g. form, lack of notable achievements, lack of wins when it counts, lack of hot streaks, etc. I agree he is consistent - consistently not 9th. But for some reason TL always need him to be 9th, which I wouldn't care about except i don't think a perennial meme in a power rank is a good idea. What if you just made soO rank 2 all the time in every single one? You're keeping a player who deserves to be top 10 out solely for this silly meme. No, that's how you choose to interpret him being placed at #9 again. I don't care where he lands at all, and I doubt most of us do. It's just a fitting place for him to be, and has been for a while. Trap is consistently good, but just short of a Ro8 finish. The argument at the end of your post really shows you're just angry for the sake of it. None of our close but no cigar mentions deserves to be top 10 over Trap right now. soO made the Masters Coliseum finals but did really poorly otherwise, Innovation's been a trainwreck recently and Leenock might have made the Ro8 but has offered nothing else, while also having no previous results to make an argument for consistency. Trap has the latter. He's constantly been a top 10 player, capable of taking games and series off everybody, but not making deep tournament runs. Whether Dark should be above him or not is debatable, but I really don't see what the big difference is if you switch the two. In my opinion Trap has earned a bit of a "buffer" with previous consistent results, and hasn't done so poorly that his spot needs to be changed. Again, this can be argued, but Trap certainly isn't where he is because we think it's funny. Short of a top 8 finish in GSL, plus Serral, therefore 10th at best and realistically he is not above Inno or Leenock. Clearly Dark at a minimum should definitely, indisputably ahead of Trap on any metric. 'Angry for the sake of it' - could be applied to absolutely any post on TL. Anywho I look forward to seeing Trap in #9 again next month, best meme 2018.
What metric do you use? GSL S3 - Dark 3rd in the RO16 group, Trap 3rd in the RO16 group, S2 - Dark 4th, Trap 3rd and both were in the same group. Innovation ended 4th in his ro16 group in S3. Since PR should be about the current state and partially about consistency.
Onpoong masters - Trap beat Leenock on Aug31, Trap Dark is happening today I believe, so we don't know this kind of metric. Innovation who should be ahead of Trap lost in the same tournament where both Dark and Trap advanced
BSTLS2 - I don't see Trap there, sadly.
GSL vs The World - Trap wasn't invited.
So, what kind of metric do you use? Inno is at this moment worse, Leenock is at best the same, but their last H2H game in August was for Trap. And I cannot see how Dark is better with the current result they both get. Trap is more consistent and has slightly(very slightly) better results over the last few months. Sure, you may want to write after today, if Dark wins, that Dark is better. But this PR is for the August results...
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On September 07 2018 18:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2018 15:53 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 15:25 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 12:44 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 00:51 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 00:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seems reasonable. I think Dark should go ahead of Trap though. Yeah Trap has his number, but Dark in general looks to be the better overall player and still gets some respect for making it two rounds in GSL vs World, of which Trap was nowhere to be seen. Yeah but it wouldn't be as funny to TL writers if they didn't have Trap as 9. Did you know Trap finished 9-12 in every GSL this season? He's sitting at #9 in the KR WCS ranking. He's exactly where he should be. Hi Olli, pretty sure your own evidence just proves my point that trap is not #9: 1. Average of 9-12 means he should be 10.5 based on that solely, or worse if you look at the groups he has had. 2. If he is 9th in GSL but you guys put 2 players from WCS into the top 10 ahead of him, then he is at best 11th overall. So no he is definitely not 'exactly where he should be'. This also doesn't take into account the miriad other reasons that he is not 9th e.g. form, lack of notable achievements, lack of wins when it counts, lack of hot streaks, etc. I agree he is consistent - consistently not 9th. But for some reason TL always need him to be 9th, which I wouldn't care about except i don't think a perennial meme in a power rank is a good idea. What if you just made soO rank 2 all the time in every single one? You're keeping a player who deserves to be top 10 out solely for this silly meme. No, that's how you choose to interpret him being placed at #9 again. I don't care where he lands at all, and I doubt most of us do. It's just a fitting place for him to be, and has been for a while. Trap is consistently good, but just short of a Ro8 finish. The argument at the end of your post really shows you're just angry for the sake of it. None of our close but no cigar mentions deserves to be top 10 over Trap right now. soO made the Masters Coliseum finals but did really poorly otherwise, Innovation's been a trainwreck recently and Leenock might have made the Ro8 but has offered nothing else, while also having no previous results to make an argument for consistency. Trap has the latter. He's constantly been a top 10 player, capable of taking games and series off everybody, but not making deep tournament runs. Whether Dark should be above him or not is debatable, but I really don't see what the big difference is if you switch the two. In my opinion Trap has earned a bit of a "buffer" with previous consistent results, and hasn't done so poorly that his spot needs to be changed. Again, this can be argued, but Trap certainly isn't where he is because we think it's funny. Short of a top 8 finish in GSL, plus Serral, therefore 10th at best and realistically he is not above Inno or Leenock. Clearly Dark at a minimum should definitely, indisputably ahead of Trap on any metric. 'Angry for the sake of it' - could be applied to absolutely any post on TL. Anywho I look forward to seeing Trap in #9 again next month, best meme 2018. What metric do you use? GSL S3 - Dark 3rd in the RO16 group, Trap 3rd in the RO16 group, S2 - Dark 4th, Trap 3rd and both were in the same group. Innovation ended 4th in his ro16 group in S3. Since PR should be about the current state and partially about consistency. Onpoong masters - Trap beat Leenock on Aug31, Trap Dark is happening today I believe, so we don't know this kind of metric. Innovation who should be ahead of Trap lost in the same tournament where both Dark and Trap advanced BSTLS2 - I don't see Trap there, sadly. GSL vs The World - Trap wasn't invited. So, what kind of metric do you use? Inno is at this moment worse, Leenock is at best the same, but their last H2H game in August was for Trap. And I cannot see how Dark is better with the current result they both get. Trap is more consistent and has slightly(very slightly) better results over the last few months. Sure, you may want to write after today, if Dark wins, that Dark is better. But this PR is for the August results...
I will not be baited by a troll. Obviously Traps results are way lesser than Darks which you deliberately do not mention - then proceed to use arguments like it's an August only rank even though previously the argument is oh trap has been consistent forever so he has weight in his ranking. Lol'd.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:40 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2018 18:02 deacon.frost wrote:On September 07 2018 15:53 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 15:25 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 12:44 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On September 06 2018 00:51 Dave4 wrote:On September 06 2018 00:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seems reasonable. I think Dark should go ahead of Trap though. Yeah Trap has his number, but Dark in general looks to be the better overall player and still gets some respect for making it two rounds in GSL vs World, of which Trap was nowhere to be seen. Yeah but it wouldn't be as funny to TL writers if they didn't have Trap as 9. Did you know Trap finished 9-12 in every GSL this season? He's sitting at #9 in the KR WCS ranking. He's exactly where he should be. Hi Olli, pretty sure your own evidence just proves my point that trap is not #9: 1. Average of 9-12 means he should be 10.5 based on that solely, or worse if you look at the groups he has had. 2. If he is 9th in GSL but you guys put 2 players from WCS into the top 10 ahead of him, then he is at best 11th overall. So no he is definitely not 'exactly where he should be'. This also doesn't take into account the miriad other reasons that he is not 9th e.g. form, lack of notable achievements, lack of wins when it counts, lack of hot streaks, etc. I agree he is consistent - consistently not 9th. But for some reason TL always need him to be 9th, which I wouldn't care about except i don't think a perennial meme in a power rank is a good idea. What if you just made soO rank 2 all the time in every single one? You're keeping a player who deserves to be top 10 out solely for this silly meme. No, that's how you choose to interpret him being placed at #9 again. I don't care where he lands at all, and I doubt most of us do. It's just a fitting place for him to be, and has been for a while. Trap is consistently good, but just short of a Ro8 finish. The argument at the end of your post really shows you're just angry for the sake of it. None of our close but no cigar mentions deserves to be top 10 over Trap right now. soO made the Masters Coliseum finals but did really poorly otherwise, Innovation's been a trainwreck recently and Leenock might have made the Ro8 but has offered nothing else, while also having no previous results to make an argument for consistency. Trap has the latter. He's constantly been a top 10 player, capable of taking games and series off everybody, but not making deep tournament runs. Whether Dark should be above him or not is debatable, but I really don't see what the big difference is if you switch the two. In my opinion Trap has earned a bit of a "buffer" with previous consistent results, and hasn't done so poorly that his spot needs to be changed. Again, this can be argued, but Trap certainly isn't where he is because we think it's funny. Short of a top 8 finish in GSL, plus Serral, therefore 10th at best and realistically he is not above Inno or Leenock. Clearly Dark at a minimum should definitely, indisputably ahead of Trap on any metric. 'Angry for the sake of it' - could be applied to absolutely any post on TL. Anywho I look forward to seeing Trap in #9 again next month, best meme 2018. What metric do you use? GSL S3 - Dark 3rd in the RO16 group, Trap 3rd in the RO16 group, S2 - Dark 4th, Trap 3rd and both were in the same group. Innovation ended 4th in his ro16 group in S3. Since PR should be about the current state and partially about consistency. Onpoong masters - Trap beat Leenock on Aug31, Trap Dark is happening today I believe, so we don't know this kind of metric. Innovation who should be ahead of Trap lost in the same tournament where both Dark and Trap advanced BSTLS2 - I don't see Trap there, sadly. GSL vs The World - Trap wasn't invited. So, what kind of metric do you use? Inno is at this moment worse, Leenock is at best the same, but their last H2H game in August was for Trap. And I cannot see how Dark is better with the current result they both get. Trap is more consistent and has slightly(very slightly) better results over the last few months. Sure, you may want to write after today, if Dark wins, that Dark is better. But this PR is for the August results... I will not be baited by a troll. Obviously Traps results are way lesser than Darks which you deliberately do not mention - then proceed to use arguments like it's an August only rank even though previously the argument is oh trap has been consistent forever so he has weight in his ranking. Lol'd.
So you are basically a Dark's fanboy? Because you were not able to write down your metrics for anyone, not for me, not for the authors of TL, not for other TL readers. Everybody is trolling?
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I mean... I love Trap! And I'm usually protoss biased. But just look at Dark and Trap's results in August until now. Dark's winrates are a lot better. Dark is definitely better at this point in time, and he has been since he came with KeSPA I think.
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in two months #2 will be #1 because current #1 can't win outside Korea
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On September 13 2018 04:36 Noonius wrote:
in two months #2 will be #1 because current #1 can't win outside Korea
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Where #1 also 3-0'd #2 just this year
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