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On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
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On August 11 2018 00:51 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:On August 11 2018 00:25 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 00:20 Fango wrote:On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable. It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins? The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play. THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place. Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins. You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins. Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying. It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours. Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't. I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for. Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
If you do actually play the game, you have no need to set aside time to unlock skins. I don't think you understand how little you have to play to unlock everything. Simply playing a couple games a week is more than enough.
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On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
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On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
Epic Games seems to be going ok.
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On August 11 2018 07:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
Epic Games seems to be going ok.
Epic games also isn't making as much money as they could be. It's just a bad way to sell a product and will always net you less $ because less players will buy the skins. I'd literally pull the trigger right now for the skins if I could use them right away just like any other purchase in life lol(aside from crapnite). Since blizzard is making you do shit before you can even use them, I won't, so blizzard doesn't get my money.
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The Warchest is basically copying the Compendium model from The International. That's how it came to be, people were begging for our own Compendium to support BlizzCon and other tournaments and get some cool shit like skins while we are at it.
If you just want to by a product and aren't interested in supporting esports and/or don't want to play to unlock stuff, you can get the skins immediately later for a higher price.
But this "buy and then play to unlock" business model wasn't Blizzard's idea, the community wanted it and Valve seems to do pretty well with it.
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whether or not this revenue model is "good" or "average" or "bad" is arbitrary. If it works and most customers like it then it is "good". if customers dislike it and no one buys the warchest//compendium//battlepass then it is "bad". As others have noted customers like this revenue model... for whatever reason(s).
it is really the 100% subjective taste of the consumer group being targeted that decides this revenue model's fate.
Back in 1980, Atari 2600 Space Invaders was $80. Today, consumers would be screaming blue murder if a single game sold for the inflation adjusted 1980 equivalent of $80. That is about $250 for 1 game. However, back then everyone thought it was great. Atari 2600 Space Invaders was probably the best selling console cartridge from 1975 to 1985.
Maybe 35 years from now everyone will think the Warchest/FortNite BattlePass//Compendium revenue model totally sucks balls. And if everyone thinks that way ... they're right. However, in 2018 its working just fine.
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On August 11 2018 07:38 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 07:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
Epic Games seems to be going ok. Epic games also isn't making as much money as they could be. It's just a bad way to sell a product and will always net you less $ because less players will buy the skins. I'd literally pull the trigger right now for the skins if I could use them right away just like any other purchase in life lol(aside from crapnite). Since blizzard is making you do shit before you can even use them, I won't, so blizzard doesn't get my money.
You really have to post your market research. Looks like every company is missing out
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On August 11 2018 08:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
whether or not this revenue model is "good" or "average" or "bad" is arbitrary. If it works and most customers like it then it is "good". if customers dislike it and no one buys the warchest//compendium//battlepass then it is "bad". As others have noted customers like this revenue model... for whatever reason(s).
it is really the 100% subjective taste of the consumer group being targeted that decides this revenue model's fate.
Back in 1980, Atari 2600 Space Invaders was $80. Today, consumers would be screaming blue murder if a single game sold for the inflation adjusted 1980 equivalent of $80. That is about $250 for 1 game. However, back then everyone thought it was great. Atari 2600 Space Invaders was probably the best selling console cartridge from 1975 to 1985.
Maybe 35 years from now everyone will think the Warchest/FortNite BattlePass//Compendium revenue model totally sucks balls. And if everyone thinks that way ... they're right. However, in 2018 its working just fine.
It's not so much the revenue model, I don't mind buying things in life that I want. It could be skins for LoL, a new computer or skins for sc2. Whatever it is that I buy, I should be able to use right away unless i'm waiting for it to be shipped to me or unless i'm ordering something that needs to be custom made. This whole, "you need to pay for it AND give us your time before you can use what you paid for" shit is ridiculous though.
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On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that. Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins. How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable. This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol. I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
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On August 11 2018 08:24 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that. Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins. How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable. This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol. I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world. Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature. If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything. If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
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On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It doesn't take that long to even earn these skins, maybe 3 or 4 wins per skin? At most, it takes a couple hours to get them, if you play maybe 30 minutes a day, it takes at most a week. It's not like you have to play a year non stop or do something outrageous to get them lol.
This is also not equivalent to buying something on the internet and then spending your time to go get it at all. This is more like you buy an expansion pack for a game and then spending time grinding for the gear. Do you want to buy LoTV and have all campaign finished at 100% and GM rank 1 unlocked for you at the start or something?
If you really have a problem with playing for these skins, you could always wait until Blizzcon ends and Blizzard put each races' skin pack on sale for $24.99 per pack. You don't have to play for those.
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On August 11 2018 08:31 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 08:24 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that. Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins. How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable. This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol. I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world. Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature. If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything. If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam. Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale. I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
Other people like war chests. We've tried to explain to you why we like them. You don't get it, that's fine. Maybe we suck at explaining. Maybe you've got a mental block on understanding it. In any case, the war chest design is not for you, that's fine. Your preference on just paying for a skin and receiving a skin is perfectly legit.
But you don't have to be so insulting and dismissive. Just because you can express a legitimate argument against something doesn't mean it's bad or that you're right. In this case, that's all you have is a personal preference. You essentially fished for counter-arguments by insulting people who dare to like the thing you don't like. You received those counter-arguments. They apparently weren't good enough to explain the other perspective to you. So I guess that's that.
If you'd just be more respectful of others' preferences then it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Eh, i have to lvl up 120 to unlock all BFA content, please Blizzard ! 
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On August 11 2018 08:31 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 08:24 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that. Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins. How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable. This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol. I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world. Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature. If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything. If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam. Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale. I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
After reading all the comments to this point, it seems you're the only one making sense to me.
I also find it funny how some people just stand around with vaseline in their hand, waiting to hear Blizz asking them to bend over, then raise their voices in unison to thank them LOL
It's gas, grass OR ass. You have to pick ONE, Blizzard! 
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On August 11 2018 12:31 waiting2Bbanned wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 08:31 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 08:24 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 06:04 NonY wrote:On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that. Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins. How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable. This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol. I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world. Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature. If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything. If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam. Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale. I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for. After reading all the comments to this point, it seems you're the only one making sense to me. I also find it funny how some people just stand around with vaseline in their hand, waiting to hear Blizz asking them to bend over, then raise their voices in unison to thank them LOL It's gas, grass OR ass. You have to pick ONE, Blizzard!
"If you don't complete your War Chest before the December 6, 2018 deadline, don't worry: all War Chest skins will become available for purchase on a later date."
I reckon there are more players who enjoy going through the unlock process and getting the other benefits of the warchest purchase (it's not just a skins pack) than there are players who find it unacceptable don't have it all up-front. If anyone thinks it's work or effort, or a waste of time to unlock skins, they ought to look for a game they actually enjoy playing.
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On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote:
the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable. Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
if it was truly retarded then it wouldn't sell as well as it does. different strokes for different folks good sir!
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On August 11 2018 16:17 vyzion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote:
the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable. Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded). if it was truly retarded then it wouldn't sell as well as it does. different strokes for different folks good sir!
you shouldn't forget, that there are many players that buy the chests to support the game, since a part of the money goes to tournaments.
That was the reason i bought them all until this one, even if i use hardly any skins
(i stop buying them now because i think blizzcon has enough money behind it and they should use it otherwise, but thats really not the topic here)
as for the unlock:
i'm not a fan as well, but since you really don't have to play tooooo much, its fine, plus the nice bonus that you are encouraged to go more offrace when you buy the whole thing, which i enjoyed.
and i get it from blizzard point of view, since this also helps to have more players online and have the ladder feel more crowded, at least at the nooblevel i play
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You don't have to play all day long.
5 skins are available right now, the next 5 in ~25 days and the rest in ~50 days.
Most effective way is a total of 15min each session all 3 days (one session for one skin). 3x 1v1 vs very easy AI, once with double proxy barracks, cannon rush and 12pool. each game 5min done.
edit: not all 3 days. every day! I got 100k free bounty for each race today and yesterday.
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Hmmm, I don't know. CS: GO offers you skins for money and you can use them immediately. It's a competitive game, but it's team based. SC2 is also a competitive game, I don't want to say more or less, but it's primarily a solo game where personal achievements matter more. I guess that's why skins are harder to get. Still, even if skins are offered immediately, I don't know if I'd buy the bundle. 25 euros is like a whole new game to buy. I just can't justify price.
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