This time you can unlock Umojan Protectorate Terran skins, Simulant Project Zerg skins and Golden Age Protoss Skins.
This time you will also get a loading screen banner, which have been added in patch 4.50.
As always, 25% of all War Chest purchases go directly to StarCraft II esports. The first $200K will be added to the $500K BlizzCon 2018 prize pool, and any extra funds will contribute to future StarCraft II esport events.
Of course there is more, like portraits, emotes and the Shadow Wars Comic and you have a full 120 days to unlock all of it, although the Warchest can only be bought until November 8th!
I don't understand the Protoss skins? They look the same to me, but purple? Since when is purple a protoss color? Also, if i Ladder with them, would that putple be replaced with another color? The skin themselves look the same to me. Terran and Zerg look very different.
On August 10 2018 04:40 [Phantom] wrote: I don't understand the Protoss skins? They look the same to me, but purple? Since when is purple a protoss color? Also, if i Ladder with them, would that putple be replaced with another color? The skin themselves look the same to me. Terran and Zerg look very different.
The purple is just the color they chose fo the preview, If I look at them right now ingame they are blue instead, but you can see that the texture is different. The gold/silver is very shiny and seems reflective. Honestly I was disappointed with P at first, but ingame they look nice. Kinda feels like royal Protoss or something.
On August 10 2018 04:40 [Phantom] wrote: I don't understand the Protoss skins? They look the same to me, but purple? Since when is purple a protoss color? Also, if i Ladder with them, would that putple be replaced with another color? The skin themselves look the same to me. Terran and Zerg look very different.
I agree, feels like a complete rip off to buy that skin.
nice effort; however, it would be nice to introduce to new units as opposed to skins, to ensure the sc2 scene survives into the near future and also helps keep players committed to the game instead of venturing out to other games.
On August 10 2018 06:43 MistSC2 wrote: Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know if blizzard are releasing portraits of this years WCS finalists?
Meh. Blizzard always overdo it with skins and unit design. Same thing in World of Warcraft. Armors and outfits are loaded with spikes, bulkiness and colors and stuff just to "look cool", but it just looks over the top in my opinion. I'd rather see a more toned down design that tried to make simple things look good.
I always buy stuff ingame (coop commanders) but this one you can purchase it without passwort. I am not sure if this is intended. edit: Or you dont need password if battle.net launcher is at background? I always close battle.net when i play a game but this time with app.
Does anyone know from previous warchests, if, say, you buy it in October -- do you still get the 120 days to unlock? How many days/games does it take to go through them to receive them all?
Big fan of the siege tank, cyclone, wiking, lib and BC, several mecha zerg (but who'll be able to tell the difference between OV and drop OV!?), warp prism!
Still would like a button to not show opponent's skins on ladder tbh.
On August 10 2018 18:50 dicey wrote: Does anyone know from previous warchests, if, say, you buy it in October -- do you still get the 120 days to unlock? How many days/games does it take to go through them to receive them all?
Big fan of the siege tank, cyclone, wiking, lib and BC, several mecha zerg (but who'll be able to tell the difference between OV and drop OV!?), warp prism!
Still would like a button to not show opponent's skins on ladder tbh.
yes you have plenty of time to unlock
Assuming you play once each day until you win (so you get the first win xp bonus) it's probably 2-3 wins for each skin. Just today I've already unlocked 4 skins with maybe 3 or 4 hours of playing, so maybe an hour per skin?
On August 10 2018 18:50 dicey wrote: Does anyone know from previous warchests, if, say, you buy it in October -- do you still get the 120 days to unlock? How many days/games does it take to go through them to receive them all?
Big fan of the siege tank, cyclone, wiking, lib and BC, several mecha zerg (but who'll be able to tell the difference between OV and drop OV!?), warp prism!
Still would like a button to not show opponent's skins on ladder tbh.
Nope, you won't have 120 days if you buy it in October, the deadline is always 119 days from now. But the skins are extremely easy to unlock and you can unlock them by playing against the AI. You need 300k exp per level, and with the 100k exp bonus for your first game with each race, you only need 30 games or 10 days max, to unlock everything.
random/zerg/protoss/terran banners are really nice but it would be better if i see the same banner at opponent. I really hate the original banners. pls new background in 1v1 mode. I really don't like the look of hydra/marine/zealot.
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
i wish they would create "customizable enemy skins". That is, I'd like to be able to select what skins i see on my enemy units. I'd love to have a "Umojans versus Dominion Special Forces" .. Terran versus Terran battle. That would look AMAZING.
Also, by making enemy skins customizable i can select the skins that for me are the most readable. Or the coolest looking.. or whatever i please. This also placates the crowd that wants a "skins disabled" button.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
I honestly agree, it's disappointing to have to now play to earn what I already paid for. I want to play mechazerg, I don't want to have to wait for all the skins i paid for to be slow dripped to me over the course of a month.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Nathanias did a 15 minute video about the new skins and he's now giving away 1 free skin set for every 10 new subscribers he gets. It looks like Nathanias struck himself a pretty good deal with Blizzard. Go Nathanias Go!
On August 10 2018 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: after the time limits are over you can just buy the skins outright for a higher price.
Lol what? They want to charge you more after? Screw it, I don't want these skins that bad.
so its really not a matter of principal... we know what these skins are... the only question is `what is the price?`
It's a matter of principal and garbage pricing tactics. I don't want them that bad. I've got nothing else to add here other than blizzard should rethink how they sell their content/how they roll out the content.
i think this is same methodology as Fortnite's "Battle Pass". meh, i'm neither ideologically "for it" or "against it". its a way of generating revenue. whatever.
On August 11 2018 00:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think this is same methodology as Fortnite's "Battle Pass". meh, i'm neither ideologically "for it" or "against it". its a way of generating revenue. whatever.
I don't have a problem that they want to generate revenue, they could literally still generate the same amount of revenue or possibly even more if they just sold it straight forward instead of forcing players to go through hoops. Like, cool, there are extra features you can purchase. Some of them are cool and for me and some aren't. But the fact that they want you to earn them after you've paid for them is flat out stupid. It would be like riot selling you a skin but you can't use yet, utter nonsense. Blizzard is nuts.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
On August 11 2018 00:14 StarDraKe wrote: Zerg looks great and different than usual, terran is also nice but I don't really like the protoss one as it looks more or less the same.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.
Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.
Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.
I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for.
Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
On August 11 2018 00:51 ReachTheSky wrote: Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
like i said earlier , Epic Games uses this same method with their "Battle Pass" for Fortnite. I'm pretty sure other companies use it as well. Furthermore, after this current promotional time period is over you'll be able to buy the skins outright.
the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.
On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote: the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.
Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.
Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.
I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for.
Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
if you literally play the game at all you will get the xp to unlock the skins, its really not that hard lmao
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?
The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.
THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.
Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.
You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.
Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.
I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for.
Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
If you do actually play the game, you have no need to set aside time to unlock skins. I don't think you understand how little you have to play to unlock everything. Simply playing a couple games a week is more than enough.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote: This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
Epic Games seems to be going ok.
Epic games also isn't making as much money as they could be. It's just a bad way to sell a product and will always net you less $ because less players will buy the skins. I'd literally pull the trigger right now for the skins if I could use them right away just like any other purchase in life lol(aside from crapnite). Since blizzard is making you do shit before you can even use them, I won't, so blizzard doesn't get my money.
The Warchest is basically copying the Compendium model from The International. That's how it came to be, people were begging for our own Compendium to support BlizzCon and other tournaments and get some cool shit like skins while we are at it.
If you just want to by a product and aren't interested in supporting esports and/or don't want to play to unlock stuff, you can get the skins immediately later for a higher price.
But this "buy and then play to unlock" business model wasn't Blizzard's idea, the community wanted it and Valve seems to do pretty well with it.
whether or not this revenue model is "good" or "average" or "bad" is arbitrary. If it works and most customers like it then it is "good". if customers dislike it and no one buys the warchest//compendium//battlepass then it is "bad". As others have noted customers like this revenue model... for whatever reason(s).
it is really the 100% subjective taste of the consumer group being targeted that decides this revenue model's fate.
Back in 1980, Atari 2600 Space Invaders was $80. Today, consumers would be screaming blue murder if a single game sold for the inflation adjusted 1980 equivalent of $80. That is about $250 for 1 game. However, back then everyone thought it was great. Atari 2600 Space Invaders was probably the best selling console cartridge from 1975 to 1985.
Maybe 35 years from now everyone will think the Warchest/FortNite BattlePass//Compendium revenue model totally sucks balls. And if everyone thinks that way ... they're right. However, in 2018 its working just fine.
On August 11 2018 07:13 ReachTheSky wrote: This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
Epic Games seems to be going ok.
Epic games also isn't making as much money as they could be. It's just a bad way to sell a product and will always net you less $ because less players will buy the skins. I'd literally pull the trigger right now for the skins if I could use them right away just like any other purchase in life lol(aside from crapnite). Since blizzard is making you do shit before you can even use them, I won't, so blizzard doesn't get my money.
You really have to post your market research. Looks like every company is missing out
On August 11 2018 08:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote: whether or not this revenue model is "good" or "average" or "bad" is arbitrary. If it works and most customers like it then it is "good". if customers dislike it and no one buys the warchest//compendium//battlepass then it is "bad". As others have noted customers like this revenue model... for whatever reason(s).
it is really the 100% subjective taste of the consumer group being targeted that decides this revenue model's fate.
Back in 1980, Atari 2600 Space Invaders was $80. Today, consumers would be screaming blue murder if a single game sold for the inflation adjusted 1980 equivalent of $80. That is about $250 for 1 game. However, back then everyone thought it was great. Atari 2600 Space Invaders was probably the best selling console cartridge from 1975 to 1985.
Maybe 35 years from now everyone will think the Warchest/FortNite BattlePass//Compendium revenue model totally sucks balls. And if everyone thinks that way ... they're right. However, in 2018 its working just fine.
It's not so much the revenue model, I don't mind buying things in life that I want. It could be skins for LoL, a new computer or skins for sc2. Whatever it is that I buy, I should be able to use right away unless i'm waiting for it to be shipped to me or unless i'm ordering something that needs to be custom made. This whole, "you need to pay for it AND give us your time before you can use what you paid for" shit is ridiculous though.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote: I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.
If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.
It doesn't take that long to even earn these skins, maybe 3 or 4 wins per skin? At most, it takes a couple hours to get them, if you play maybe 30 minutes a day, it takes at most a week. It's not like you have to play a year non stop or do something outrageous to get them lol.
This is also not equivalent to buying something on the internet and then spending your time to go get it at all. This is more like you buy an expansion pack for a game and then spending time grinding for the gear. Do you want to buy LoTV and have all campaign finished at 100% and GM rank 1 unlocked for you at the start or something?
If you really have a problem with playing for these skins, you could always wait until Blizzcon ends and Blizzard put each races' skin pack on sale for $24.99 per pack. You don't have to play for those.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
Other people like war chests. We've tried to explain to you why we like them. You don't get it, that's fine. Maybe we suck at explaining. Maybe you've got a mental block on understanding it. In any case, the war chest design is not for you, that's fine. Your preference on just paying for a skin and receiving a skin is perfectly legit.
But you don't have to be so insulting and dismissive. Just because you can express a legitimate argument against something doesn't mean it's bad or that you're right. In this case, that's all you have is a personal preference. You essentially fished for counter-arguments by insulting people who dare to like the thing you don't like. You received those counter-arguments. They apparently weren't good enough to explain the other perspective to you. So I guess that's that.
If you'd just be more respectful of others' preferences then it wouldn't have been an issue.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
After reading all the comments to this point, it seems you're the only one making sense to me. I also find it funny how some people just stand around with vaseline in their hand, waiting to hear Blizz asking them to bend over, then raise their voices in unison to thank them LOL
It's gas, grass OR ass. You have to pick ONE, Blizzard!
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
After reading all the comments to this point, it seems you're the only one making sense to me. I also find it funny how some people just stand around with vaseline in their hand, waiting to hear Blizz asking them to bend over, then raise their voices in unison to thank them LOL
It's gas, grass OR ass. You have to pick ONE, Blizzard!
"If you don't complete your War Chest before the December 6, 2018 deadline, don't worry: all War Chest skins will become available for purchase on a later date."
I reckon there are more players who enjoy going through the unlock process and getting the other benefits of the warchest purchase (it's not just a skins pack) than there are players who find it unacceptable don't have it all up-front. If anyone thinks it's work or effort, or a waste of time to unlock skins, they ought to look for a game they actually enjoy playing.
On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote: the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.
Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
if it was truly retarded then it wouldn't sell as well as it does. different strokes for different folks good sir!
On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote: the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.
Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
if it was truly retarded then it wouldn't sell as well as it does. different strokes for different folks good sir!
you shouldn't forget, that there are many players that buy the chests to support the game, since a part of the money goes to tournaments. That was the reason i bought them all until this one, even if i use hardly any skins (i stop buying them now because i think blizzcon has enough money behind it and they should use it otherwise, but thats really not the topic here)
as for the unlock: i'm not a fan as well, but since you really don't have to play tooooo much, its fine, plus the nice bonus that you are encouraged to go more offrace when you buy the whole thing, which i enjoyed. and i get it from blizzard point of view, since this also helps to have more players online and have the ladder feel more crowded, at least at the nooblevel i play
You don't have to play all day long. 5 skins are available right now, the next 5 in ~25 days and the rest in ~50 days. Most effective way is a total of 15min each session all 3 days (one session for one skin). 3x 1v1 vs very easy AI, once with double proxy barracks, cannon rush and 12pool. each game 5min done.
edit: not all 3 days. every day! I got 100k free bounty for each race today and yesterday.
Hmmm, I don't know. CS: GO offers you skins for money and you can use them immediately. It's a competitive game, but it's team based. SC2 is also a competitive game, I don't want to say more or less, but it's primarily a solo game where personal achievements matter more. I guess that's why skins are harder to get. Still, even if skins are offered immediately, I don't know if I'd buy the bundle. 25 euros is like a whole new game to buy. I just can't justify price.
On August 11 2018 16:53 Dingodile wrote: You don't have to play all day long. 5 skins are available right now, the next 5 in ~25 days and the rest in ~50 days. Most effective way is a total of 15min each session all 3 days (one session for one skin). 3x 1v1 vs very easy AI, once with double proxy barracks, cannon rush and 12pool. each game 5min done.
edit: not all 3 days. every day! I got 100k free bounty for each race today and yesterday.
point is, it shouldn't even require you to play to unlock. the time you spend on cheese could have spend elsewhere. It's an extension of reward program, it's incredibly annoying for me personally but I can see why some wouldn't mind it.
On August 11 2018 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote: Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
lol that's how video games work. you buy it and start with nothing and you have to play it to make progress. do you buy a game and expect it to come with a game save with 100% completion? or some kind of god mode to go around doing whatever you want? just fyi before you buy a book, you're gonna have to spend hours studying it before you learn anything. the knowledge doesn't just appear in your head as soon as you own it. also if you buy some running shoes you're gonna have to run for months before you get in shape. it's a crazy world out there where you pay for things that just enable you to work for what you want. video games mimic it
I have a lot of respect for you Nony and I've supported you via donations in the past, but you couldn't be more wrong. If I buy something, I want to be able to use it. I can't use the skins if I buy them. It's that simple. I have to buy them and then I can't even use them. I have to do even more after that.
Your analogies are off here Nony. If I buy running shoes, I can use them right away. Can't do that with the skins.
How would you feel if you bought running shoes and then are forced to run without them in order to obtain permission to use what you already bought? You wouldn't like that at all. And that's exactly what this situation is. It's unacceptable.
This is literally the worst possible way to sell a product lol.
I feel like there are too many people that blindly defend blizzard without even really thinking about the situation. Not enough think-for-themselfers in this world.
Okay but you're not buying skins. You're buying extended progression which has skins as some of the rewards. You can use it immediately by working on the progression. This is so common across so many kinds of games. You do the same gameplay you've always been doing but you get new rewards for doing it. It gives that same gameplay more meaning. It's simple and it works. People like it for some reason. There's nothing wrong with liking it. I guess it's some part of human nature.
If that's not a product you want then that's okay. There's nothing wrong with you preferring to acquire skins a different way. But you at least need to understand what kind of product this is so that you can have a shred of respect for people who do like it. Nobody is "retarded" or being exploited or anything.
If you want to give Blizzard money and Blizzard gives you skin, that bypasses gameplay entirely. The default way this works is that a game's artists and programmers create the rewards which you then earn via gameplay. They still need to get paid for creating it even though they required you to play the game to actually get it. That is just how video games work. You have to play the game. I know that a lot of games (Blizzard games included, SC2 included actually) will just give you something if you give them money. But I can't believe that someone would get offended when they create a product which brings gameplay back into the equation, like it's some kind of scam.
Buying something and earning something are two different concepts Nony. I shouldn't have to earn something after i've paid for it. Also, The store in the sc2 does not state that the skins is "extended progression". it's literally skinpack for sale.
I do want the skins, but i'm not willing to allow blizzard to control how I spend my time just so I can receive what I pay for.
Other people like war chests. We've tried to explain to you why we like them. You don't get it, that's fine. Maybe we suck at explaining. Maybe you've got a mental block on understanding it. In any case, the war chest design is not for you, that's fine. Your preference on just paying for a skin and receiving a skin is perfectly legit.
But you don't have to be so insulting and dismissive. Just because you can express a legitimate argument against something doesn't mean it's bad or that you're right. In this case, that's all you have is a personal preference. You essentially fished for counter-arguments by insulting people who dare to like the thing you don't like. You received those counter-arguments. They apparently weren't good enough to explain the other perspective to you. So I guess that's that.
If you'd just be more respectful of others' preferences then it wouldn't have been an issue.
No one insulted you Nony. Hell, I even praised you at the beginning of my first reply to you. Simmer down, It's not about you and never was.
Bought it but only terrans. My personal opinion on it is that we are living in a broken society... I mean... My personal opinion on WARCHEST, yes. Ok. It's good to have something beautiful, yeah. Shiny thing. But how many more skins will there be? And what's next? Buildings, banners? I think it would be better to put money from warchest not in Blizzcon but in additional tournaments for amature players or 6k gm players like code A, wsc challengers. Make the money more accessible. Yeah.
On August 12 2018 00:04 dummy1 wrote: Bought it but only terrans. My personal opinion on it is that we are living in a broken society... I mean... My personal opinion on WARCHEST, yes. Ok. It's good to have something beautiful, yeah. Shiny thing. But how many more skins will there be? And what's next? Buildings, banners? I think it would be better to put money from warchest not in Blizzcon but in additional tournaments for amature players or 6k gm players like code A, wsc challengers. Make the money more accessible. Yeah.
Agree. Blizzcon doesn't need more cashprize. SCII needs to have more tournaments for rank B players (low gm and top masters). Challengers only give money to people who will win money in the main tournament anyway. It is more money for the same players.
No, it's not about me. I didn't make it about me. You brought up outside stuff that isn't relevant.
My observation is that the way you talk about war chests, you think Blizzard is dumb for designing them the way they are and you think people wanting them the way they are is dumb as well. Nobody can read all of your posts in this thread and come to any other conclusion. You had the option to express your preference while respecting the people who have a different preference. Instead, you repeatedly used extreme and insulting language ("nonsense" "unacceptable" "retarded" etc) to make it clear that anyone who disagrees with you on this is absolutely wrong, behaving irrationally, encouraging bad business practices, being a bad consumer, doesn't know what's good for themselves, etc. Since I like the way the war chest is, and I like video games that are generally set up this way (making me work for rewards rather than pay to win, whether that's winning a competition or winning a prize), that puts me in the group of people you disrespected.
And when people try to share their perspective, you get defensive and double down as if it's an argument. It's ridiculous.
Instead of insulting and disrespecting people to bait them into having to defend themselves, why don't you just say something like "I'd prefer it if I could just give Blizzard money and they give me the collectibles. Can anyone who likes having to grind for this stuff explain why you like it?" That's all. No argument.
But honestly it seems like you're not interested in learning a different perspective. The way you have behaved it seems like you are looking for an argument, not a discussion. As people respond to you, you've repeated the same points over and over. It looks very much like you just picked a side to this issue and enjoy repeatedly arguing its points, while disrespecting everyone who doesn't agree.
I don't understand why anyone would want skins and at the same time not want to play the game. If you do play the game, the unlock happens in no time. I've already unlocked all of Phase 1 in under 3 days just playing normally a mix of co-op and ladder.
Honestly, the only thing we should talking about in this thread is why the Protoss skins are terrible compared to the Zerg and Terran ones this time around.
Tbh, I like the protoss skins. They look hardly different in screenshots and co, but ingame they actually look nice. Not as mindnumbing as the zerg tho...
On August 13 2018 14:52 Dekker wrote: Tbh, I like the protoss skins. They look hardly different in screenshots and co, but ingame they actually look nice. Not as mindnumbing as the zerg tho...
lmao you are crazy, the new zerg skins are amazing and a huge improvement over the last two zerg race skins which just added spikes to everything
this zerg skins is much better than the original. Blizzard only allow original skins at tournaments. I think that must change to this skin-pack after Blizzcon. All 3 races look better with this than the original skins.
On August 13 2018 14:52 Dekker wrote: Tbh, I like the protoss skins. They look hardly different in screenshots and co, but ingame they actually look nice. Not as mindnumbing as the zerg tho...
lmao you are crazy, the new zerg skins are amazing and a huge improvement over the last two zerg race skins which just added spikes to everything
I think you completly misunderstood me... I said I like the new protoss skins ingame, even though they are not as good as the zerg ones. I guess I misused mindnumbing?
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