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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
August 10 2018 14:53 GMT
#41
after the time limits are over you can just buy the skins outright for a higher price.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 10 2018 14:56 GMT
#42
On August 10 2018 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after the time limits are over you can just buy the skins outright for a higher price.


Lol what? They want to charge you more after? Screw it, I don't want these skins that bad.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 14:59:46
August 10 2018 14:56 GMT
#43
Nathanias did a 15 minute video about the new skins and he's now giving away 1 free skin set for every 10 new subscribers he gets. It looks like Nathanias struck himself a pretty good deal with Blizzard. Go Nathanias Go!
On August 10 2018 23:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2018 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after the time limits are over you can just buy the skins outright for a higher price.

Lol what? They want to charge you more after? Screw it, I don't want these skins that bad.

so its really not a matter of principal... we know what these skins are... the only question is `what is the price?`
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 10 2018 15:01 GMT
#44
On August 10 2018 23:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2018 23:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after the time limits are over you can just buy the skins outright for a higher price.

Lol what? They want to charge you more after? Screw it, I don't want these skins that bad.

so its really not a matter of principal... we know what these skins are... the only question is `what is the price?`


It's a matter of principal and garbage pricing tactics. I don't want them that bad. I've got nothing else to add here other than blizzard should rethink how they sell their content/how they roll out the content.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:05:44
August 10 2018 15:03 GMT
#45
i think this is same methodology as Fortnite's "Battle Pass". meh, i'm neither ideologically "for it" or "against it". its a way of generating revenue. whatever.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 10 2018 15:10 GMT
#46
On August 11 2018 00:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i think this is same methodology as Fortnite's "Battle Pass". meh, i'm neither ideologically "for it" or "against it". its a way of generating revenue. whatever.


I don't have a problem that they want to generate revenue, they could literally still generate the same amount of revenue or possibly even more if they just sold it straight forward instead of forcing players to go through hoops. Like, cool, there are extra features you can purchase. Some of them are cool and for me and some aren't. But the fact that they want you to earn them after you've paid for them is flat out stupid. It would be like riot selling you a skin but you can't use yet, utter nonsense. Blizzard is nuts.
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Sviru1
Profile Joined January 2017
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:11:13
August 10 2018 15:11 GMT
#47
As long as we get new stuff and keep game alive... I'm in
gnuoy00
Profile Joined October 2017
26 Posts
August 10 2018 15:13 GMT
#48
i like the new protoss skins, they remind me of '80s mecha anime with all of the additional antennae, random plates and random additional details
StarDraKe
Profile Joined January 2009
France65 Posts
August 10 2018 15:14 GMT
#49
Zerg looks great and different than usual, terran is also nice but I don't really like the protoss one as it looks more or less the same.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:21:19
August 10 2018 15:20 GMT
#50
On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.

If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.

It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?

The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.


THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.

Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.

You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:34:38
August 10 2018 15:25 GMT
#51
On August 11 2018 00:20 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.

If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.

It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?

The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.


THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.

Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.

You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.


Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 10 2018 15:33 GMT
#52
On August 11 2018 00:14 StarDraKe wrote:
Zerg looks great and different than usual, terran is also nice but I don't really like the protoss one as it looks more or less the same.

ingame they look better than the pictures.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:40:21
August 10 2018 15:37 GMT
#53
On August 11 2018 00:25 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 00:20 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.

If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.

It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?

The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.


THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.

Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.

You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.


Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.


It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.

Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 15:54:03
August 10 2018 15:51 GMT
#54
On August 11 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 00:25 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 11 2018 00:20 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.

If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.

It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?

The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.


THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.

Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.

You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.


Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.


It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.

Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.


I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for.

Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 16:15:07
August 10 2018 16:12 GMT
#55
warchest disabled right now? 60k xp gone
edit: xp boost from coop games is disabled aswell. I lost 71k exp for warchest then.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 16:18:08
August 10 2018 16:17 GMT
#56
On August 11 2018 00:51 ReachTheSky wrote:
Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?

like i said earlier , Epic Games uses this same method with their "Battle Pass" for Fortnite. I'm pretty sure other companies use it as well. Furthermore, after this current promotional time period is over you'll be able to buy the skins outright.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 16:47:43
August 10 2018 16:47 GMT
#57
the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 10 2018 16:55 GMT
#58
On August 11 2018 01:47 brickrd wrote:
the people who make your games are not the ones pushing abusive DLC/add-on models, lol. money talks and the people who own game developers want them to make money. it's not blizzard, it's every mega corporation. the only devs that don't use the most abusive and profitable models are indie devs who don't answer to larger owners, or devs of games where those models won't be profitable.


Like i said, no problem with them wanting to make money. Hell, I'd love to give them my money but I wouldn't receive the product right away, I'd have to work for it in addition to already paying for it(which is retarded).
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 10 2018 20:10 GMT
#59
If only I didn't have to wait 4 weeks to unlock the thor ;__;
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
August 10 2018 20:24 GMT
#60
On August 11 2018 00:51 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:
On August 11 2018 00:25 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 11 2018 00:20 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
On August 10 2018 23:15 Fango wrote:
On August 10 2018 22:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
I think it's is unacceptable that I have to pay a fee *AND* spend my time to receive the item I am purchasing. Just give us what we pay for right away. It's bad enough blizzard is following the micro-transaction trend. I'm not buying until they remove the requirement to earn the skins after we've already fucking paid for them lol.

If you can all remember, games used to give this type of stuff out as a reward for accomplishing something special in-game. Now they want you to pay extra money for them *AND* do something to unlock them? This is unacceptable. Consumers cannot allow blizzard to set this type of precedent. This shit is the equivalent to buying a product on the internet but instead of them shipping it to you, you have to go spend your time going to get it LOL. Unacceptable.

It's not like you have to work hard for them. If you literally just play a game against easy AI (which can be won in 5 minutes) every 3 days or so, you'll get all the skins. If you aren't even playing a couple games a week then why are you buying skins?

The only annoying part is the fact they slow drip them out every month. But I guess the incentive here is to have long term progression and motivation for people to play.


THe problem is they are also trying to compel your behavior and the way you spend your time. What if I don't have the opportunity to play all the time but when I do play, I want the skins? I get nothing lol. It's stupid as hell. Consumers should not allow blizzard to compel the way they spend their time just to receive a product we are paying for. We don't need motivation to play, we just want to pay for the product and play on our own accord. I wish blizzard would stop trying to compel me to spend time playing just so i can receive the product that costs money in the first place.

Dude you literally have to play an average of one game, which can be done in 5 minutes, every 3 days to get all the skins. There's no way someone who doesn't have time for that will be needing skins.

You seem to think blizzard are forcing any kind of commitment, or even a regular amount play. If you play the game seemingly at all you'll get enough xp to unluck all the skins.


Actually, they are. These skins don't just cost money. They cost the consumer money AND time. Hell, I don't even care for the coop mission, I don't even want to play them. But if I want to give blizzard money for a product i'm forced to play something I don't like? Nonsense. I already bought their game and expansions at fullprice ffs. This does nothing but limit the amount of consumers you'll sell to thus limiting how much they will make. Bad marketing/sales tactics if you ask me. All you do is try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, "all you have to do is this". It would like a computer manufacturer selling you a computer, then telling you that you have to also put it together. It's nonsense and i'm not buying.


It's like a computer manufacturer selling you a pc and saying if you use it literally at all, then it's yours.

Who would be interested in skins if they don't play the game? The xp requirement is low to the point that this is a non-issue. I would agree with you if it actually took significant effort to get them, but it doesn't.


I do play the game, I just don't have extra time to set aside just to unlock something that should be unlocked already once it's paid for.

Buying the product should be enough, having to do something extra after paying just so you can use it is unacceptable and utter nonsense. Really bad way of trying to sell product imo. Any company would literally make more money by selling it normally. Why would blizzard want to limit sales?

if you literally play the game at all you will get the xp to unlock the skins, its really not that hard lmao
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