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RHoudini
Belgium3628 Posts
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On July 28 2018 15:29 11BC2 wrote: Agreed, however, I'd add that their analysis is quite good, especially when covering original Starcraft. Also, Tastosis is by far and away my favorite duo. Then again, I'm an older guy at almost 45 years of age and have played or followed since the beginning in 1998. Wow, I think this is my first post in 3,4, maybe 5 years? Edit: Says 2 post??? Must have been reset from joining from Twitch? Either way  Anyways, the above is my humble opinion for better or for worse. I'm also inclined to feel this article is more of the same, an opinion piece. Honestly, I like hearing the casual talk from casters. This frees up my mind to do the tough analysis myself. It's strangely fun and rewarding. The only thing I think needs improvement is higher APM from observers. The game is far faster-paced than HOTS but the number of seconds per pan area hasn't really been reduced accordingly. For the last year or so every single time I watch a cast there are literally matches where I'm screaming at my computer to MOVE THE SCREEN TO THAT FLASHING AREA! or GO BACK BEFORE THAT BATTLE IS OVER!. In other words, I wish observers would move around more actively on the map, just like we who play the game in LOTV have to constantly move around on the map far more. Congrats to those who do put in the hard work, though. It's not easy. Edit: Sometimes I'm literallly clicking on the minimap on Twitch, trying to move the screen. Lol. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On July 27 2018 22:18 Bijan wrote: I was actually curious what some of the Brood War veterans thought about their casting style. As someone who was introduced to esports with SC2 they have made me fall in love with competitive BW. I can't play at all, I don't understand the intricacies beyond what they share with me, but the game is so beautiful and the skills of the players are so amazing that the ASL and KSL now have become my favorite esports broadcasts to watch. I don't know if in depth analysis would be something I would appreciate more or if it would have pushed me away. Something that I think is left out of the discussion is that perhaps more hype is needed in SC2 because the observing interface gives us so much detail. It's been mentioned before, but the suspense in BW and the narratives within individual games are at a completely different level than in SC2 because of how little information you have while watching. This might only be a minor factor but I believe it actually makes the caster's job harder in SC2 because the interface does a lot of the work for them. The second half of the article concerning oversimplification might be the answer to this issue though. It might be even more important to paint a broader narrative of the player's skills and their previous results if you have less tools to build a narrative in each series. There are so so so so many beautiful things going on in a game of Brood War that normally get glossed over by Tastetosis. If you fully understood how difficult muta-scourge micro is or how an early 4th for Zerg indicates how the late game is going to go, you'd be on the edge of your seat constantly even without the hype. | ||
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TrueStorm
29 Posts
On July 28 2018 18:51 {ToT}ColmA wrote: I only watch games muted - does not say much about anything but i dont like the casting style - does not matter which game and is not exclusive to sc2. is not even related to gaming only - in football i find it even more tedious Maybe you can try listening to Duck and Leffen's commentary in Super Smash Brothers Melee. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 26 2018 22:36 Olli wrote: Every time I criticize hyperbole and simplified casting, I hear the counter-argument that it's done to cater to casual or new audiences. That's an odd one to me. After being disappointed with Legacy of the Void's single player campaign, I somewhat dropped off of StarCraft for a while. When I cam back a year later, I had a lot of difficulty figuring out what players were doing in the early game from watching games because casters just never talk about it, it's often a time they waste on complete filler. And keep in mind, I'd just missed the Heart of the Swarm to Legacy of the Void transition, I'd actually been playing StarCraft since 1998. I don't know what an actual new player would make of it. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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DinosaurPoop
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Rodya
546 Posts
Other than that, great post. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
A lot of great posts as well from Soularion, shame they seem to have fallen on deaf ears. As someone who has followed other esports even before SC2, I must agree that you rarely ever hear so many comments from the casters about something being the "best ever", and when you do it's usually a less contested, more unanimously agreed upon thing than in SC2. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On July 29 2018 22:21 Rodya wrote: I don't understand why you had to go and imply that DotA 2 casting is better than SC2 casting. That is patently false! DotA 2 casters are the worst in esports, they are unprofessional, they mumble, they can't raise their voices (they sound like my friends in teamspeak when I was in high school!), and are monotone. And then after not hyping anything up for 40 minutes they meekly tell us "...i mean.... there's nothing dire can do to win this game...". Really nothing? Then why are people who are actually good at the game (unlike the casters) still playing, when they can gg out? Other than that, great post. I have to 100% disagree with that opinion on Dota casting. They're absolutely brilliant over there. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 01 2018 09:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: An interesting reponse article by Brownbear I feel like this response downplays, or probably just doesn't realise, how much Tastosis hype things as the greatest ever. Pre and post match analysis amounts to probably 10-20% of the time a caster spends talking to the audience. Just in my experience as a viewer, I've found it outright annoying how often I've heard that X is the greatest ever. Sometimes it may be justifiable, but often it just blatently isn't, and that's what ruins the immersion. Also you shouldn't need to make stuff up in order to hype a player or a storyline. Take ByuN for example, he had a great storyline of being teamless and barely qualifying for blizzcon. He also played super aggressive style and had iconic reaper micro. There's no need to constantly (and I mean constantly) repeat nonsense about him having the best control ever in starcraft. Or even just do it as casters in other esports do. Claim that X is "one of/some of the greatest we've ever seen", or "we've seen such incredible moves from X in the past" etc. | ||
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11BC2
4 Posts
On August 01 2018 09:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Bravo and well done. Imo this is a Masterfully Championed article providing unbiased and straight forward analysis. Need more like it.An interesting reponse article by Brownbear | ||
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Cimiur
Italy4 Posts
I also agree with some other of the previous posts: - overhype is annoying - some casters do it a lot more than others - I wish there was more in depth analysis (which I feel has been decreasing more and more over the years, for example there used to be an analysis section after games with ToD who would point out on a screen a couple of crucial moments, explaining them in depth by drawing arrows and stuff) - casters should be a bit more "honest" when talking about someone who played bad. Someone can play like crap for many reasons and it happens to everyone, but since they are professionals, you should point it out. In cs:go or even in football, when someone is underperforming they say it clearly and without sweetening the pill - I don't mind casual talking during "dead-time" in the game - that said I understand that casting is live, and sometimes they do it for hours. I do (and probably always will) enjoy a lot watching live, commentated professional sc2 games I think that the sc2 community is very passionate and I am sure that all these "critics" are done without malice, so that we can all enjoy our favourite esport even more. | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On August 01 2018 14:46 11BC2 wrote: Bravo and well done. Imo this is a Masterfully Championed article providing unbiased and straight forward analysis. Need more like it. Undeniably the best rebuttal article I've ever seen in my history of reading StarCraft articles. No one has ever provided counter arguments like this. Ever. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
In the same way I write these comments off, I think those that have issues can't get over these instances that really aren't taking up that much air-time. If someone can post a few examples of a lengthy monologue about how such and such player is the best ever I would understand more, but I have a feeling we're talking about a few sentences uttered in excitement that some viewers obsess over. And even if a few examples can be brought up (Artosis harping on Rogue's late game and his recent love affair with Leenock comes to mind) we are talking about something that is mostly an opinion. I still think the article brings up great points though. These are areas that casters could improve on, especially the second topic which has largely been ignored by this thread, but I think so much of the debate back and forth is stemming from the fact that some people claim that these "best ever" statements make a caster annoying or even unwatchable (which i don't think is the opinion of the author to be clear). I think it says more about their own personalities than the ability or style of the casters. | ||
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Paralyzar1
United States6 Posts
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neroth01
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Artosis- puts long hours preparing for his casting, also playing the game a ton, you can see the work hes putting in on the other hand Tasteless: i feel like hes not playing the game at all anymore and treating casting purely as a job, not always having fun from it(and thats completly fine). Its just so weird that community belives blindly in those guys never questioning them. I love them too, dont get me wrong, i would just like a bit of honesty | ||
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Hok
Canada42 Posts
How about using insights to help in: - long term business models for BW/SC2 for increased viewership / money making - player support systems and career management - content partnerships and tiered content ... to name a few. disappointed in this article and even having this on this great site. | ||
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Kavax
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) So maybe it is good for new comers, but it can have negative impact on those who hang out with us as we watch.
