EPTSerral defeats Has to win WCS Valencia 2018 - Page 3
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 16 2018 15:00 Geo.Rion wrote: Also, to the people trying to discredit Serral's wins against koreans this year, just get a grip on reality... You could do the same mental gymnastics and discredit Maru's GSL wins, well he only beat Zest, Rogue and Classic, it s not like he s beating the best You really can't. Maru beat all the best players in Korea minus INno and TY. The most impressive results Serral has vs Koreans are beating Trap 3-2 after nearly getting 3-0'd, and beating Classic in the 3rd place match at WeSG after getting stomped at katowice. If you think that's enough to put him up with the best then fair enough, but personally I wouldn't. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On July 16 2018 23:27 Fango wrote: You really can't. Maru beat all the best players in Korea minus INno and TY. The most impressive results Serral has vs Koreans are beating Trap 3-2 after nearly getting 3-0'd, and beating Classic in the 3rd place match at WeSG after getting stomped at katowice. If you think that's enough to put him up with the best then fair enough, but personally I wouldn't. You really can, since I specifically listed the last 3 opponent of Maru in Finals, semis and quarterfinals from the last GSL win. Serral beat the very same people this year, at LAN events. Funny how when Classic wins over Serral it is a "stomp", and when it happens vice-versa it s just a simple "beating in a 3rd place match" (like who even cares at that point, right? bronze matches, duh) At the start of this year he even beat Maru online 2-0, but i guess that can be dismissed cuz it was a while ago and not at a LAN | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 16 2018 23:37 Geo.Rion wrote: At the start of this year he even beat Maru online 2-0, but i guess that can be dismissed cuz it was a while ago and not at a LAN Not that I have much of a stake in your argument, but a match where Maru played with 400+ ping from KR to EU and just proxied a bunch of barracks is probably not worth mentioning. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On July 16 2018 23:47 Elentos wrote: Not that I have much of a stake in your argument, but a match where Maru played with 400+ ping from KR to EU and just proxied a bunch of barracks is probably not worth mentioning. I wasnt saying it sarcastically, it can be dismissed. I dont have any clue about how much ping there was, but is the nature of the online cross-region matches. "proxied a bunch of baracks" is a fair chunk of Maru s TvZ wins, so there s that | ||
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Kikirik1
45 Posts
On July 16 2018 23:37 Geo.Rion wrote: You really can, since I specifically listed the last 3 opponent of Maru in Finals, semis and quarterfinals from the last GSL win. Serral beat the very same people this year, at LAN events. Funny how when Classic wins over Serral it is a "stomp", and when it happens vice-versa it s just a simple "beating in a 3rd place match" (like who even cares at that point, right? bronze matches, duh) At the start of this year he even beat Maru online 2-0, but i guess that can be dismissed cuz it was a while ago and not at a LAN Its no about bronze, its about 50 000$ mach or so... | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On July 16 2018 15:00 Geo.Rion wrote: Also, to the people trying to discredit Serral's wins against koreans this year, just get a grip on reality... You could do the same mental gymnastics and discredit Maru's GSL wins, well he only beat Zest, Rogue and Classic, it s not like he s beating the best This is really well said. I don't see how someone can see this result, on top of all his other success this year, and conclude he can't compete against the best. He's earned his place in TL's power ranks in my opinion. | ||
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267
64 Posts
But I think there is a big handicap for Serral, the foreign terran scene is to weak. Top Korean terrans can practice all day against top level zergs, but this level of terran opponents simply does not exists outside of Korea :/ | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:19 267 wrote: The success of many foreigners over the last year in GSL and other tournaments indicates that the gap between foreigners and Korean players is the smallest it has ever been. Combining this with Serral is'nt winning, is he freaking destroying the foreign scene, I think it is fair to say he could be the best player. But I think there is a big handicap for Serral, that the foreign terran scene is to weak. Top Korean terrans can practice against top level zergs, but I doubt that the reverse is true for Serral :/ Eh, personally I don't think there's anywhere CLOSE to enough information to say anything about the KR-foreigner gap. But that's sort of the success of region-lock: if you withhold Korea vs World matches, people will naturally build up hope in their own head for whatever they want to be true (whether it's Korean domination or Foreigner hope) | ||
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267
64 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:24 Waxangel wrote: Eh, personally I don't think there's anywhere CLOSE to enough information to say anything about the KR-foreigner gap. But that's sort of the success of region-lock: if you withhold Korea vs World matches, people will naturally build up hope in their own head for whatever they want to be true (whether it's Korean domination or Foreigner hope) Well Neeb won the first Korean tournament in 20 years of SC history not to long ago. There are more foreigners in GSL then ever before, and they seem to keep qualifying. And Serral make these foreign GSL players look like kids that just made it into master. Comparing this to the situation 2-3 years ago when there was a no foreign hope, I would say progress has been made. After Stephano lost his edge there was no one. The foreigner that made it farthest in tournaments was generally decided by the bracket position that ran into a Korean last. The foreign scene has come quite far since then, the question is only how far. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:46 267 wrote: There are more foreigners in GSL then ever before, and they seem to keep qualifying. Getting into GSL has never been so easy. This might sound harsh, but the fact of the matter is, the amount of active Koreans that have a chance to make GSL Ro32 is not much higher than 32. And the lower end of that isn't exactly players that would do very well in WCS. Just a few years ago, the Korean scene had so many players that those who didn't make Code S would still be stronger than any foreigner at a weekender. Dozens of retirements later, they struggle to get together 32 players. | ||
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267
64 Posts
On July 17 2018 04:00 Elentos wrote: Getting into GSL has never been so easy. This might sound harsh, but the fact of the matter is, the amount of active Koreans that have a chance to make GSL Ro32 is not much higher than 32. And the lower end of that isn't exactly players that would do very well in WCS. Just a few years ago, the Korean scene had so many players that those who didn't make Code S would still be stronger than any foreigner at a weekender. Dozens of retirements later, they struggle to get together 32 players. I agree that GSL and Korean scene is not what it used be. But my argument still stand that the gap between the "regions" are smaller then before, which can be explained to a large extent by that the Korean scene is smaller/weaker today. The situation is reversed to what it was at the "decline" of the foreign scene in HoTS, which to a large extent could be explained by KESPA:s move to SC2 in my opinion. The amount of Korean SC2 pros double over night during a time when they where already heavily favored. | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
Serral = bonjwa  2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series Circuit/Standings | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On July 17 2018 05:02 MrMischelito wrote: haha, the current standings of WCS Points look like a joke. Serral = bonjwa https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series_Circuit/Standings Nice bait | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On July 17 2018 04:11 267 wrote: I agree that GSL and Korean scene is not what it used be. But my argument still stand that the gap between the "regions" are smaller then before, which can be explained to a large extent by that the Korean scene is smaller/weaker today. The situation is reversed to what it was at the "decline" of the foreign scene in HoTS, which to a large extent could be explained by KESPA:s move to SC2 in my opinion. The amount of Korean SC2 pros double over night during a time when they where already heavily favored. Foreigners getting into Code S says NOTHING about how they match up against the mid-high level koreans. out of all the times foreigners qualified (10-15?) a single one made it through the ro32 once. And that was when she was in a form that let her 3-1 Serral. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
he could win Blizzcon if he doesn’t match up with a strong Terran | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Steroidbrucie
56 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/k0mxXxd.jpg) This is just incredible. Serral is levels above everyone in the west. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On July 17 2018 09:57 Zzoram wrote: This was by far the most entertaining of the 3 WCS Circuit events this year. All of the games were inevitable Serral domination, but at least Has had us guessing what strange way he would find to lose to Serral. He actually had really close games many times. It was great to watch | ||
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