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I can't believe Classic is out
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What a 2:0 fest.
I am really happy for Reynor. Make foreigners great again! 
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Congratulations to sOs and Reynor for making it out of the group
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So, is he also the yougest to be ro16 ? I guess Life or Maru is/was the youngest for the time being.
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Classic out? Classic? Really? OMG.
I have to see the games.
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Nice to see sOs going through with some good plays.
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Gonna be bummed if he bombs out next round and has cost us Classic.
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Honestly I saw the group , then I ignored the vod thinking its gonna be SOS and classic and thats it , just came back from work , log into TL , see this news and I was like "NO FUCKING WAY !" , and now I just finished the vod.......im gonna pay attention to this kid in the next few years , what an amazing last game !
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One of the rarer times I've seen Zerg down in supply and winning because of beautiful harass, counter-attacks, and game sense. Only one other player does this consistently being down in supply and winning - + Show Spoiler +
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Mizenhauer wrote some fanfic but Reynor wrote a better fanfic
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Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik.
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On July 05 2018 06:47 [F_]aths wrote:
Classic out? Classic? Really? OMG.
I have to see the games.
Yes you have to, do yourself this favor as it was one of the most exciting series we've seen in quite a while.
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totally deserved victory
# play like reynor <3
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Set 5, Game 2: Reynor V Classic was a total classic!! Reynor has earned my love!! Great job Reynor! Best of LUCK!!!
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Holy shit, how the hell did this 16 year old foreigner just outplay and outthink Classic??! I mean, CLASSIC for christ's sake??!
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Why is Korea not region locked....
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Can't think of a better game than the last set. Incredible.
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On July 05 2018 07:17 Shellshock wrote:
I am shellshocked
Yes. Yes you are.
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On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik.
Reynor is like 17 korean age I think
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On July 05 2018 08:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik. Reynor is like 17 korean age I think
Koreans count age like English speakers count centuries. This is the 17th year of Reynor's life and we are living in the 21th century.
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Gratz to Reynor, but Classic just played terrible.
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On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik.
No. That's based on their birthday as listed on liquipedia and putting in the day of their ro32 match into an online age calculator.
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Still so happy Reynor advanced.
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I was literally out of my sit standing up watching the last 5~ min or so of that last game in awe.... The whole time I was thinking to myself it feels like I'm watching Life reincarnated. Just...you know, pre-scandal Life. I hope he can keep up this level of play in the ro16!
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That last game of Reynor vs Classic was a true nail biter and a great scrappy game to watch
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On July 05 2018 11:03 Zzoram wrote:
That last game of Reynor vs Classic was a true nail biter and a great scrappy game to watch
I knew who won the last series before I had a chance to watch it and the first game was pretty much a build order counter and looked like a stomp. So I expected the second game to be something similar, maybe Reynor figured out Classic. Thankfully, I was wrong, that was by far one of the best PvZ that I have seen in a long, long time. The last game that was that much of a nail biter was that I've seen Neeb vs Rogue in group stages last year at Blizzcon.
I just found myself thinking, "I know that Reynor wins, but how? How? HOW?" And for me that was very exciting.
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Reynor definitely deserved his spot. It wasn't a cheesy build order fluke, he played Classic and Ryung straight up and took it home. Really exciting stuff from a rising star, and I don't think he needs a whole lot of luck to make a deep run in this tournament.
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On July 05 2018 12:37 Kitai wrote:
Reynor definitely deserved his spot. It wasn't a cheesy build order fluke, he played Classic and Ryung straight up and took it home. Really exciting stuff from a rising star, and I don't think he needs a whole lot of luck to make a deep run in this tournament.
I concur. However, he had the match-up cut out for him, as he said in the interview, by Classic playing exactly as he expected him to in the second series. Maybe not the best mind games or the tactically most savvy series there was, but certainly the most exciting and entertaining for quite a while imo.
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Props to Reynor, really exciting to see not only fresh blood enter the scene, but fresh foreign blood making a splash at the GSL.
On July 05 2018 08:41 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 08:37 Fango wrote:On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik. Reynor is like 17 korean age I think Koreans count age like English speakers count centuries. This is the 17th year of Reynor's life and we are living in the 21th century.
That's not necessarily true, because you can be 2 years older than your.....worldwide age.
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I ask this genuinely: Where does this, already, put Reynor in terms of Italians in esports history?
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This kid is amazing. He played the most competitive StarCraft II tournament (twice against the best korean protoss), and got out of his group in his first GSL.
I hope he continues kicking butts and shutting mouths in the RO16 because, apparently, every time a top korean loses to a foreigner, it's because the former played like s***.
What a time to be an SC2 fan. GG Reynor!
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On July 05 2018 13:03 lestye wrote:Props to Reynor, really exciting to see not only fresh blood enter the scene, but fresh foreign blood making a splash at the GSL. Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 08:41 Drfilip wrote:On July 05 2018 08:37 Fango wrote:On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik. Reynor is like 17 korean age I think Koreans count age like English speakers count centuries. This is the 17th year of Reynor's life and we are living in the 21th century. That's not necessarily true, because you can be 2 years older than your.....worldwide age.
When in Korea, I just ask, "what year were you born?" It's easier than trying to figure out the complexities of Korean age.
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Reynor adapted to Classic's playstyle really well. The first match where Classic won 2-0 in convincing fashion gave him a false sense of security.
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On July 05 2018 07:21 BakedButters wrote:One of the rarer times I've seen Zerg down in supply and winning because of beautiful harass, counter-attacks, and game sense. Only one other player does this consistently being down in supply and winning - + Show Spoiler +
So true !
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On July 05 2018 14:44 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
The fuck happened?!
Seriously, someone could try to tell you, but the decider match is 100% must-watch for any fan of Korean SC2. Check it out if you can.
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Reynor inspires me to play better.
It's been a long time since someone did that.
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Exceptional play by Reynor! Congratulations!! The last three games got me glued to the screen.
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lool i forgot code S was this morning, the Worl Cup has takenover me
Also for this result, sad result, bring region lock to korea please  (i honestly don't care about Reynor's play, he can compete in WCS and Classic can't so he should stick to it)
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On July 05 2018 17:02 Mun_Su wrote:lool i forgot code S was this morning, the Worl Cup has takenover me Also for this result, sad result, bring region lock to korea please (i honestly don't care about Reynor's play, he can compete in WCS and Classic can't so he should stick to it)
Interestingly enough, reynor could not play in the WCS until a few days ago (which also means Qualifiers). But in my opinion this series shows that the region lock should be ended.
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But,I still think that he will lose to Maru soO Dear Stats.
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On July 05 2018 17:02 Mun_Su wrote:lool i forgot code S was this morning, the Worl Cup has takenover me Also for this result, sad result, bring region lock to korea please (i honestly don't care about Reynor's play, he can compete in WCS and Classic can't so he should stick to it)
I'd rather have them remove the region lock completely so Classic could compete in WCS... GSL is a global league by design, it's always exciting to see foreigners make it there.
Great plays by Reynor btw, he looked like a perfect Zerg this day, harassing everywhere, swarming his opponent from multiple angles, switching techs all the time. Beautiful style. I am inspired.
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When the day comes that the average top foreigner can beat top Koreans, then the region lock will be removed.
Koreans still win most of the time against foreigners, as great as Reynor played, one bo3 does not erase dozens of matches that Koreans have won against foreigners. Unlocking the regions now would only serve to stifle the foreign regions with pro players unable to earn a living again.
For Korea, you would have to allow bad Koreans to compete in WCS while disallowing good Koreans from competing. Unfortunately, those lower tier Koreans likely wouldn't do much better against foreigners.
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Just finished watching Game 5...sick games! Grats Reynor, brilliant play, well deserved win!
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It's starting to get kind of annoying how much casters/people talk about age, I mean Life won GSL at 15 and I don't remember it even being the biggest talking point for him. I guess our pro playerbase is getting kind of old, but it comes off as kind of desperate, at least Reynor really lives up to the hype. The last game was really good, tactically Reynor just played perfectly, it kind of gave me the JaeDong vibe, where he's very adamant about winning both strategically, but also mechanically. Life lings>Reynor lings still though, Life's would've done the same damage, but without the +1 melee upgrade^^
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On July 05 2018 07:17 Shellshock wrote:
I am shellshocked
i am groot
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lol, a foreigner wins a match and ppl immediately want to add a region lock to GSL.
We did get a great match already in ro32? That's awesome right?
... Or are those ppl Protoss fan boys?
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On July 05 2018 18:16 DeFNos wrote:
lol, a foreigner wins a match and ppl immediately want to add a region lock to GSL.
We did get a great match already in ro32? That's awesome right?
... Or are those ppl Protoss fan boys?
No. A foreigner has knocked a two Koreans out of one of the only tournaments they can actually play in. If reynor is to go out in the next round it's OK he can head back home and play in WCS - classic and ryung can't do that.
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Who sits at the control panel for region locks? Blizzard themselves?
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On July 05 2018 18:16 DeFNos wrote:
lol, a foreigner wins a match and ppl immediately want to add a region lock to GSL.
We did get a great match already in ro32? That's awesome right?
... Or are those ppl Protoss fan boys?
I'd rather have no region lock for next year.
Maybe add a korean qualifier for the WCS challenger (2 spots + no lock for the main event) and a foreign qualifier for GSL (2 spot for RO32 + no lock to the main qualifiers like now)
travelling to EU or NA for maybe not getting the money back is a huge investment. So my guess is there wouldn't be more than 6-8 korean in the groups stage of WCS. Especially knowing that each of them could loose in a group of death scenario and in the final bracket. Serral, Neeb, Scarlett, now Reynor have shown to be able to take out big names, and other foreign players like Uthermal and Showtime could do it also.
So, no Region lock next year please ! Blizzard hear me !
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On July 05 2018 08:41 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 08:37 Fango wrote:On July 05 2018 07:54 HolydaKing wrote:Korean age, right? So it's pretty close. Reynor was 15 years and 3 days in Korean age afaik. Reynor is like 17 korean age I think Koreans count age like English speakers count centuries. This is the 17th year of Reynor's life and we are living in the 21th century.
Koreans count how many years they have lived in.
I am 22 in non korean age, in korea I am 24.
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Oh man I knew stermy would be top dog by a lot but I didn't expect so many players I've never heard of who've done pretty well for themselves.
I wonder if stermy has any intention of competing in QC...
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On July 05 2018 13:57 Circumstance wrote:
I ask this genuinely: Where does this, already, put Reynor in terms of Italians in esports history?
I'd say he's only second to Stermy. Definitely proved more worthy of ClouD or StarEagle already, Starcraft-wise
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Reynor is truly something and I love this new SC2 generation in playstyle.
I just can't figure out if foreigners champions are getting better or Korea post proleague is a slowly fading away. (except for the last proteam which would explain Jin air dominance. )
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On July 05 2018 17:33 Majick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 17:02 Mun_Su wrote:lool i forgot code S was this morning, the Worl Cup has takenover me Also for this result, sad result, bring region lock to korea please (i honestly don't care about Reynor's play, he can compete in WCS and Classic can't so he should stick to it) I'd rather have them remove the region lock completely so Classic could compete in WCS... GSL is a global league by design, it's always exciting to see foreigners make it there. Great plays by Reynor btw, he looked like a perfect Zerg this day, harassing everywhere, swarming his opponent from multiple angles, switching techs all the time. Beautiful style. I am inspired.
I totally agree with you and also Corvuuss, weither you block korea for foreigner or allow koreans to foreign lands...
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this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.
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On July 05 2018 13:57 Circumstance wrote:
I ask this genuinely: Where does this, already, put Reynor in terms of Italians in esports history?
Let's say I'm now the second best Italian in SC2 and I'm a low master :D
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On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.
It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair.
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On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.
Blizzard hasn't really tried to rebuild the foreign professional scene. Any attempt to do that would have involved a complete redesign to Zerg so that the race was no longer the default for players outside of Korea because a professional scene cannot grow and thrive when 50+% of the pros play a single race which dominates the results.
A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped.
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On July 05 2018 23:11 ADTempys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair.
While this statement is partially true, it's only half of the picture. The top Koreans are still a head better than most of the foreigners. Even the mid-tier Koreans like Impact and Keen are better than a lot of foreigners. To say only that the system is unfair just because you were born Korean ignores the fact that Koreans have dominated this game from the beginning.
On July 06 2018 00:08 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped.
But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead.
And this is the problem of region lock. Unlocking the region would only serve to help top Koreans. The qualifiers generally ensure we only get the top Koreans, and so it would be elsewhere. This solution would only serve to help those who do not need help.
Yes, Reynor will go back to WCS if he loses, but he's beatable. It's not really any guarantee that he'll make it past the ro16/ro8. But Classic, were he in WCS, would be a favourite against any foreigner (and TRUE) he faced.
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there is probably an in between that can be reached. for instance making WCS and Code S exclusive tournament. One cannot participate in the WCS if he/she's qualified for Code S RO32 and vice versa. On the contrary, it would still be opened for players who didn't qualified, i.e you can play WCS-Dreamhack from lower group stage if you missed code S qualifications.
In that sense, mid tier Koreans could compete in WCS. yes they might be ahead of mid tier foreigners, but not so much compared to tier 1 foreigners.
That would solve the TRUE case, where he was asked to withdraw from Code S because he plays WCS. This configuration should either not happen again or be the same for everyone.
It could also have constraints like, you must have a Master/GM account with more than 200 games this season in EU or NA to play WCS, so that these players would be forced to play in the EU ladder.
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Since this thread has unfortunately devolved into another region lock discussion, I'll go ahead and state how I think Blizzard can best solve this issue.
People don't like foreigners coming over and taking spots from koreans who can't participate in tournaments outside of Korea. People also don't like Koreans dominating the foreign scene.
Here's my idea: make it so that if a player is still in the current season of the GSL, i.e. they haven't been knocked out yet, then they can't play in any WCS tournaments until they are knocked out of the current season of the GSL.
This prevents top tier koreans like Maru and Stats from coming over and cleaning house at WCS and then still having a shot at winning the GSL too. This also allows players with early exits more opportunities to earn money abroad. And this prevents foreigners from being the only players that benefit from the WCS cushion if they don't succeed at the GSL qualifiers/in the ro32/16.
This would be, in my opinion, the most fair system. If you are not still in the current season of the GSL by the time the next WCS event occurs, whether you failed to qualify or have already been knocked out, then you can attempt to play in that tournament as well. Players still in the GSL are barred from competing in any WCS events until they are knocked out of the current season of the GSL.
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Those games were beautiful, ROYAL ROAD ROYAL ROAD
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On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead.
On the GSL season 3 qualifier page on Liquipedia, there are 34 Korean players listed under the Notable Participants. 1 of them is retiring (ByuL) and the other is leaving to join the WCS Circuit scene (RagnaroK). 5 of those Koreans are FanTaSy, LabyRinth, SuperNova, TaeJa, and TOP. Those are who newbies would be competing with for the final slots, not Neeb, SpeCial, and Reynor.
The list for season 3 of last year was 39 and that didn't include players who have recently come out of retirement like Parting, MMA, FanTaSy, Taeja, etc., so it is probably fair to say that the Korean scene has lost ~10 players in the last year which was basically 25% of the scene.
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On July 05 2018 22:56 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 13:57 Circumstance wrote:
I ask this genuinely: Where does this, already, put Reynor in terms of Italians in esports history? Let's say I'm now the second best Italian in SC2 and I'm a low master :D
Hey Ryu, so this is your TL account! But I thought you were GM ;p
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On July 06 2018 04:46 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead. On the GSL season 3 qualifier page on Liquipedia, there are 34 Korean players listed under the Notable Participants. 1 of them is retiring (ByuL) and the other is leaving to join the WCS Circuit scene (RagnaroK). 5 of those Koreans are FanTaSy, LabyRinth, SuperNova, TaeJa, and TOP. Those are who newbies would be competing with for the final slots, not Neeb, SpeCial, and Reynor. The list for season 3 of last year was 39 and that didn't include players who have recently come out of retirement like Parting, MMA, FanTaSy, Taeja, etc., so it is probably fair to say that the Korean scene has lost ~10 players in the last year which was basically 25% of the scene.
Indeed, there are a number of lower tier Koreans, like Tails, Billowy/Dokyung, Pet, Curious, Jjakji, Hush, and others who did not compete.
But the thing is, they're old talent that has not been especially strong for a while. We need fresh blood in Korea, and we're not going to get that if the current top players stay on top or continue to dominate all tournaments.
What I'm saying is that the top Koreans are as much of a threat to the Korean scene as the foreigners. That's because we lost the middle tier.
So in order to regain that lower tier, we need a partial region lock, where only the below mid-tier Koreans can compete.
I talked about this before; base qualification on Korean WCS points. You reach a certain level, and you can't compete in the WCS circuit. Points are based on previous and current year. So if you reached a certain number last year, you can't compete in WCS this year. Or, if you reach a certain number of points this year, you can't continue to compete.
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On July 05 2018 18:36 atrox_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 18:16 DeFNos wrote:
lol, a foreigner wins a match and ppl immediately want to add a region lock to GSL.
We did get a great match already in ro32? That's awesome right?
... Or are those ppl Protoss fan boys? No. A foreigner has knocked a two Koreans out of one of the only tournaments they can actually play in. If reynor is to go out in the next round it's OK he can head back home and play in WCS - classic and ryung can't do that.
Same applies to WCS except it would happen all the time
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Reynor may be proof that we don't need region lock anymore
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On July 06 2018 06:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Reynor may be proof that we don't need region lock anymore
The latest piece of proof. ByuN winning his GSL then Blizzcon was more than enough for the reasonable.
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That game 2 vs. classic was NUTS. How the hell did he come back there... inspiring shit.
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Region lock is the only reason why such a player as Reynor appeared. If you cancel region lock, you will see only koreans again here, there and everywhere
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On July 06 2018 14:58 Strelok wrote:
Region lock is the only reason why such a player as Reynor appeared. If you cancel region lock, you will see only koreans again here, there and everywhere
Reynor hasn't even played in WCS yet, and let's be totally honest here, there are no new Koreans in the scene so the ones who are left could dominate but they'd wouldn't overpower anymore.
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Previous season semifinalist out at the hands of a 16 year old foreigner. Biggest shock ever to open a season?
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Like everyone was saying, amazing Game 2 vs. Classic...did anyone else catch that Shine brought up the "the game is about to end" cam of the players' faces when Reynor's roach attack looked like it was about to break Classic early before he made a miracle hold and put him ahead? The mental toughness to come literally SECONDS away from advancing to the Ro16 as a foreigner, end up falling behind, and go on to play your heart out like that for the remainder of the game was unreal. Definitely looks like we might have something special on our hands.
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If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?
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On July 06 2018 17:34 MockHamill wrote:
If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?
Sure thing, why wouldn't he? Cause it is not fair to koreans? yes, that is a rule that needs to be changed, but if he will win GLS which is probably a 1% chance at this point, he definitely deserves the spot. Also he has 0 WCS point and he might consider playing also next season if he win or get far in GSL, or not play WCS at all and just prepare for blizzcon while doing school. But this are all theorycrafting, the ideea is the ruling say nothing about a non korean winning GSL to not give them the spot.
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On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 23:11 ADTempys wrote:On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair. While this statement is partially true, it's only half of the picture. The top Koreans are still a head better than most of the foreigners. Even the mid-tier Koreans like Impact and Keen are better than a lot of foreigners. To say only that the system is unfair just because you were born Korean ignores the fact that Koreans have dominated this game from the beginning. Show nested quote +On July 06 2018 00:08 Boggyb wrote:On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped. But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead. And this is the problem of region lock. Unlocking the region would only serve to help top Koreans. The qualifiers generally ensure we only get the top Koreans, and so it would be elsewhere. This solution would only serve to help those who do not need help. Yes, Reynor will go back to WCS if he loses, but he's beatable. It's not really any guarantee that he'll make it past the ro16/ro8. But Classic, were he in WCS, would be a favourite against any foreigner (and TRUE) he faced.
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Reynor played like a legit korean god, I think you guys talking about region lock are not analyzing things correctly if you believe that random foreigners can pull the same shit vs koreans (g2 vs Classic). Reynor is one of a kind and the soon to be foreigner goat, calling it now.
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On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2018 23:11 ADTempys wrote:On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair. While this statement is partially true, it's only half of the picture. The top Koreans are still a head better than most of the foreigners. Even the mid-tier Koreans like Impact and Keen are better than a lot of foreigners. To say only that the system is unfair just because you were born Korean ignores the fact that Koreans have dominated this game from the beginning. Show nested quote +On July 06 2018 00:08 Boggyb wrote:On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years. A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped. But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead.And this is the problem of region lock. Unlocking the region would only serve to help top Koreans. The qualifiers generally ensure we only get the top Koreans, and so it would be elsewhere. This solution would only serve to help those who do not need help. Yes, Reynor will go back to WCS if he loses, but he's beatable. It's not really any guarantee that he'll make it past the ro16/ro8. But Classic, were he in WCS, would be a favourite against any foreigner (and TRUE) he faced.
This is not true. Prince is a newcomer who got denied his Code S spot last year by Elazer.
I'm sure there are more examples but this is one obvious example that comes to mind.
The mental gymnastics people do to justify the discrimiation against koreans never fail to amaze me.
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Everyone's already said it, but that final game was genuinely great by Reynor. He did all the right things and really earned the victory. Now for Neeb.
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wowowowoza. gj yungReynor
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congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible
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You can find a number of Reynor games from over the last year on Youtube now. He seems pretty legit and has his own style but he seems very solid especially in midgame engagements and counterattacks, has his own quirks like doing some early game builds with small number of mutas. He seems better than many pro zergs at doing surrounds flanks, and sniping medivacs and warp prisms with queens and hydras. I expect him to be the best foreigner soon.
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I remember watching Reynor vs Snute a few years ago when Reynor was just a kid (his parents were with him at the tourney).
Snute beat him with ease. Now so good to see him playing so well with some of the best players in the world!
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On July 06 2018 17:34 MockHamill wrote:
If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?
Yes but lets not get carried away, to win GSL hes going to have to take down a Korean god in a bo7 very very very unlikely to happen, however I could see him winning WCS Valencia or Montreal which would also get him to Blizzcon.
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On July 05 2018 08:08 10dla wrote:
Why is Korea not region locked....
Do you honestly not know what GSL stands for?
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On July 08 2018 10:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible
I like that we are thanking David Kim and Dustin Browder.
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reynor looked exactly like rogue
like, exactly
it was weird
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He actually beaten Classic 2-1 again in the Olimoleague just 2 days after the GSL macth, just to lose to Zest 2-0 :/
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On July 09 2018 08:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2018 10:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible I like that we are thanking David Kim and Dustin Browder.
they did a great job. so did Pardo..
its sad the new guy has to hide behind the comment "i'm representing the balance team" due to immature individuals raging at previous SC2 multiplayer design leads.
8 years in and SC2 is still great. of course for those who disagree they can always play C&C Rivals.
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On July 09 2018 07:26 blardoh wrote:Do you honestly not know what GSL stands for?
Pls stop your double-standards.
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Classic was eliminated while GSL rookie 
