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At the end of a four-day saga, O'Gaming's  INnoVation rose from a field of 32 competitors to claim the HomeStory Cup XVII championship. Despite some shaky performances along the way—including losses to PartinG, Snute, and Solar—the machine Terran was able to make a forceful run through the losers bracket to claim the HSC championship.
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tekrebel
56 Posts
I really feel bad for Soo though... | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:16 Cricketer12 wrote: soO breaks the tie with DRG of the most premier tournament finals losses to a single person. His 3 to Inno vs DRG's 2 vs MKP Liquipedia doesn't classify this version of HSC as a premier tournament. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:16 Cricketer12 wrote: soO breaks the tie with DRG of the most premier tournament finals losses to a single person. His 3 to Inno vs DRG's 2 vs MKP Technically, liquipedia did not classify this as a Premier tournament. No idea why, but some HSCs are labelled premier and others major. Regardless of that, Inno's beaten soO in the finals of GSL, IEM, VSL, and now HSC. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:23 pvsnp wrote: No idea why, but some HSCs are labelled premier and others major. I would imagine it has to do with prize pool. What's odd is there were some tournaments back in WoL with significantly smaller prize pools that were considered premier. e.g. 2011 MLG Global Invitational with its $4,000 prize pool. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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orllyfools
United States153 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:25 Boggyb wrote: I would imagine it has to do with prize pool. What's odd is there were some tournaments back in WoL with significantly smaller prize pools that were considered premier. e.g. 2011 MLG Global Invitational with its $4,000 prize pool. Makes sense. Or rather, it still doesn't make sense, but at least now I understand why it doesn't make sense. You'd think the players in attendance would matter more than prizepools, or else we'd all be hailing WESG as one of the toughest tournaments in the world. With the environment of HSC being what it is, I'd personally classify them all as Major. The whole point is that it's a fun tourney, not a super-serious competition. Like Incontrol said, openly discussing dildos is not really a thing in WCS. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On July 02 2018 13:02 orllyfools wrote: why didnt they reset the bracket? s00 wasnt given a second chance like the rest of the field? Double elimination tournaments either give the player out of the winner's bracket a second life in case he loses the finals or a single-game advantage. HSC followed the path of pretty much all double elimination tournaments with a bo5+ finals in going with the latter. That's why soO had 3 points despite only winning 2 games. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 02 2018 14:13 Wolf wrote: Glad to see soO taking another second place title. I'm not, I was pulling super hard for him to win this time. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16079 Posts
On July 02 2018 13:15 pvsnp wrote: Makes sense. Or rather, it still doesn't make sense, but at least now I understand why it doesn't make sense. You'd think the players in attendance would matter more than prizepools, or else we'd all be hailing WESG as one of the toughest tournaments in the world. With the environment of HSC being what it is, I'd personally classify them all as Major. The whole point is that it's a fun tourney, not a super-serious competition. Like Incontrol said, openly discussing dildos is not really a thing in WCS. But then TaeJa wouldn't have won the most premier tournaments | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 02 2018 13:15 pvsnp wrote: Makes sense. Or rather, it still doesn't make sense, but at least now I understand why it doesn't make sense. You'd think the players in attendance would matter more than prizepools, or else we'd all be hailing WESG as one of the toughest tournaments in the world. With the environment of HSC being what it is, I'd personally classify them all as Major. The whole point is that it's a fun tourney, not a super-serious competition. Like Incontrol said, openly discussing dildos is not really a thing in WCS. According to liquipedia - Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Personally don't think HSC counts for most of that. But then again SSL challenge and Cross finals do apparently. On another note, I do think WeSG as a competition is underrated. People seem to disregard it completely in terms of TY/Maru's achievements. | ||
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Brained
Germany58 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16079 Posts
On July 02 2018 16:43 Geo.Rion wrote: It s uncanny at this point, Soo beat Inno in the earlier rounds, got one game up in the finals and still managed to not win the title vs Innovation. He didn't beat Inno in the earlier rounds, Inno lost to Snute, PartinG and Solar. | ||
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Aelendis
Belgium892 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On July 02 2018 16:53 Charoisaur wrote: He didn't beat Inno in the earlier rounds, Inno lost to Snute, PartinG and Solar. that s right, I remembered incorrectly, i was thinking of the Solar series | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 02 2018 16:52 Brained wrote: oh come on soo....i fell asleep during game 3 how could he throw that series after beeing by far the most solid player this tourney? It's really not a grand mystery. | ||
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Kurao
215 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:16 Cricketer12 wrote: soO breaks the tie with DRG of the most premier tournament finals losses to a single person. His 3 to Inno vs DRG's 2 vs MKP It's funny because it's not even like INno is soO's "cryptonite" per-se, but since they have both reached grand finals enough times and soO's finals performance is what it is, the results are sort of written in stone at this point. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Moreover for me HSC XVII was the best one ever. The format is just superior to the classic one; even the casters and Take liked it, so I hope it's gonna stay like that. I also love how the show has found kind of a balance between absolutely wonky a somewhat serious, we get a lot of fun moments while keeping the casting on a comprehensible level and production going (barring technical issues, which we however should be tolerant about, given how difficult it is to keep such a complex show working). Great to still have Incontrol there, fantastic to see MrBitter after all those years and super cool to see new faces stepping up to the couch - Optimus and Eonblu were just fantastic, especially Eonblue and Incontrol have perfect caster chemistry  A really big draw of HSC to me is that there is a lot of foreigner-korean games. It's almost ironic that we have reached a point where a drunken meme tourney is the only source of that, but that is the sad state of the WCS system unfortunatelly and so much thanks for Take for stepping in at this time of need! | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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kajtarp
Hungary489 Posts
On July 02 2018 17:48 zealotstim wrote: My heart aches for soO. Please win GSL or something! Until he doesn't fix the common mistakes hes doing all the time, he won't win anything. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 02 2018 17:41 Kurao wrote: It's funny because it's not even like INno is soO's "cryptonite" per-se, but since they have both reached grand finals enough times and soO's finals performance is what it is, the results are sort of written in stone at this point. Even if you remove the 3 finals, it leaves soO with 7-14 series winrate vs INnoVation. In fact, soO's worst matchup in all of Starcraft 2 is INnoVation, with -35 map score. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On July 02 2018 14:56 Fango wrote: soO has now lost 4-0, 4-1, 4-2, and now 4-3 to INno in finals It's gonna get really weird next tournament when he loses 4-4. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On July 02 2018 17:44 opisska wrote: HSC is such a great thing and such a key part of the current SC2 landscape. I am really glad it continues to live on! Moreover for me HSC XVII was the best one ever. The format is just superior to the classic one; even the casters and Take liked it, so I hope it's gonna stay like that. I also love how the show has found kind of a balance between absolutely wonky a somewhat serious, we get a lot of fun moments while keeping the casting on a comprehensible level and production going (barring technical issues, which we however should be tolerant about, given how difficult it is to keep such a complex show working). Great to still have Incontrol there, fantastic to see MrBitter after all those years and super cool to see new faces stepping up to the couch - Optimus and Eonblu were just fantastic, especially Eonblue and Incontrol have perfect caster chemistry A really big draw of HSC to me is that there is a lot of foreigner-korean games. It's almost ironic that we have reached a point where a drunken meme tourney is the only source of that, but that is the sad state of the WCS system unfortunatelly and so much thanks for Take for stepping in at this time of need! Much agreed...that first cast with Incontrol and Eonblue had me in tears. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On July 02 2018 16:48 Fango wrote: According to liquipedia - Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Personally don't think HSC counts for most of that. But then again SSL challenge and Cross finals do apparently. On another note, I do think WeSG as a competition is underrated. People seem to disregard it completely in terms of TY/Maru's achievements. Regular offline - check Best players around the world - check (moreso than WCS) Well established franchise - check Especially prestigious - probably not So you have 3+ vs 1- aside from money which really just is a stupid measurement for how great a tournament is. HSC doesnt have 32 top tier players but generally a very high quality nonetheless. If you consider Trap, Stats, Leenock, aLive, Serral, ShoWTimE, Special,Neeb, Scarlett... all didnt want to or couldnt make it. Thats crazy. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On July 02 2018 21:27 Ej_ wrote: I think the prize pool is directly connected to pro player attendance. I doubt the Jin Air players or Serral would turn their invitations down of the prize pool was a million dollars. On the other hand you can say those are just two more good players so yes it raises the skill ceiling but it doesnt change the fact that the tournament already has very high level players In addition I want to mention that Maru generally doesnt like to leave Korea for example. I would love to see him at HSC since he is #1 Terran but I don't believe he would be a good fit. Regardless of that I would invite him to our tournaments. If I imagine we can run a HSC with 50-100k prizepool and he would suddenly want to come I am very honest to say that I wouldn't be interested to invite him purely on the fact that I feel if this is just about money and not being part of HSC I rather have the #2 Terran that can still enjoy the event, play some DDR etc. ;-) | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 02 2018 21:01 TaKeTV wrote: Regular offline - check Best players around the world - check (moreso than WCS) Well established franchise - check Especially prestigious - probably not So you have 3+ vs 1- aside from money which really just is a stupid measurement for how great a tournament is. HSC doesnt have 32 top tier players but generally a very high quality nonetheless. If you consider Trap, Stats, Leenock, aLive, Serral, ShoWTimE, Special,Neeb, Scarlett... all didnt want to or couldnt make it. Thats crazy. I bet you like 10 pushups or something (because gambling with money isn't right, of course) it ended up being a scheduling issue for the pros. Great work as always, hope they show up for HSC18! | ||
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
On July 02 2018 21:01 TaKeTV wrote: Regular offline - check Best players around the world - check (moreso than WCS) Well established franchise - check Especially prestigious - probably not So you have 3+ vs 1- aside from money which really just is a stupid measurement for how great a tournament is. HSC doesnt have 32 top tier players but generally a very high quality nonetheless. If you consider Trap, Stats, Leenock, aLive, Serral, ShoWTimE, Special,Neeb, Scarlett... all didnt want to or couldnt make it. Thats crazy. Major... Premier... who cares? HSC ist uncompareable to other tournaments and deserve its own catergory. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
On July 02 2018 18:48 neutralrobot wrote: It's gonna get really weird next tournament when he loses 4-4. well it would just be a bo9 with a one map advantage for Innovation coming from the Winner's bracket. Also, obligatory | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Really this was one of the best HSC, from TaKe casting in english and german on the german stream to the observing and main stream casting to the format and the party, but not too much party atmosphere. Well done TaKeTv! | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On July 02 2018 22:33 intotheheart wrote: I bet you like 10 pushups or something (because gambling with money isn't right, of course) it ended up being a scheduling issue for the pros. Great work as always, hope they show up for HSC18! Showtime, Serral, Neeb didnt want to. Scarlett, alive, leenock,trap were not send Special cant aford it Stats wanted to rest | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2658 Posts
On July 02 2018 23:25 TaKeTV wrote: Special cant aford it Really? I need to make a fundraiser to send my boi Juanito to the next HSC. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 02 2018 17:07 Aelendis wrote: Good showing by Lambo, I hope he can keep up in Valencia. Agreed, it was awesome to see him follow up his latest success! Heromarine dancing also worth a special mention I think, that was gm stuff right there. | ||
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Doink
75 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 03 2018 02:49 Doink wrote: Very disappointed by Showtime. He's German and didn't want to go to the most entertaining Starcraft 2 event taking place in Germany? What a lame dude. Or maybe he had something come up and just couldn't come. Or maybe it's fine if he just didn't feel like it. Don't be a dick about it. | ||
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Kikirik1
45 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
On July 03 2018 03:48 Seeker wrote: It hurts too much to be a soO fan... He just keeps letting me down... He keeps letting all his fans down... He's the best player of most tournaments ... if you remove an outlier of one | ||
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Caelum93
62 Posts
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SalSal..FR
2 Posts
This link is temporarily disabled. The person who shared it hit their daily limit of traffic or downloads." Anyone who can send it to me or having a link ? Thhanks And btw , gg Inno | ||
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
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dicescLive
4 Posts
Is there an ALT? Thanks <3 | ||
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Yo_Man
43 Posts
best team for sc2 | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12130 Posts
On July 02 2018 21:59 TaKeTV wrote: On the other hand you can say those are just two more good players so yes it raises the skill ceiling but it doesnt change the fact that the tournament already has very high level players In addition I want to mention that Maru generally doesnt like to leave Korea for example. I would love to see him at HSC since he is #1 Terran but I don't believe he would be a good fit. Regardless of that I would invite him to our tournaments. If I imagine we can run a HSC with 50-100k prizepool and he would suddenly want to come I am very honest to say that I wouldn't be interested to invite him purely on the fact that I feel if this is just about money and not being part of HSC I rather have the #2 Terran that can still enjoy the event, play some DDR etc. ;-) Look, I've never met Maru and don't know how he would fit or not, but let's look at the other side of his play. He had health issues and I would bet he's still having them. So let's look at this from this view. Would he go to Germany to make his health worse for "low" prizepool? Well, of course no. Would he go if there would be way more money? Maybe? Can we blame a player with health issues he';s trying to cherry pick big cash tournaments only? I wouldn't blame him, but hey, I'm a Maru fanboy  I get your view and as you're the tournament it's your choice, I will watch HSC even if you would refuse Maru(at least from VODs as this time, new job = no time). I just wanted to present the other side of SC2, not the happy one. (I'm still missing Mvp in GSL finals) | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
I know he plays BW now, but I get the fanboy thing...I'd be fine with sacrificing a lot if say Jaedong got an invite. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 03 2018 04:58 NihilisticGod wrote: Ahh soO. Starting the finals one game up I thought 'This will be cool to watch! soO is likely gonna take the finals, he has looked unstoppable so far and he starts one game up.' But after the long first game on Darkenss Sanctuary that Inno was destined to lose, soO just started to look more and more tired after each game. It's a mental thing at this point - guy just crumbles under the weight of all the pressure. They should sponsor a soO redemption tournament where the players are pre-seeded with all the decent players + soO on one side and a few NA masters players on the other side | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On July 02 2018 16:48 Fango wrote: According to liquipedia - Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Personally don't think HSC counts for most of that. But then again SSL challenge and Cross finals do apparently. On another note, I do think WeSG as a competition is underrated. People seem to disregard it completely in terms of TY/Maru's achievements. With the exception of like one or two foreigners, TY and Maru's only challenge was each other. That's why it's disregarded. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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linestein
United States210 Posts
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NoUseForANameX3
United States17 Posts
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FanaticCZ
Czech Republic287 Posts
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JasonOfAeson
33 Posts
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Stretch90
Canada4 Posts
On July 02 2018 19:49 StarscreamG1 wrote: SoO starts all the tournaments looking as the perfect Zerg, but near the final he starts to block and can't deal with the harass :-( Honestly, I don't think soO has a mental block. This tournament Inno was the only top Korean Terran, even if he wasn't in great form, and Korean Zergs haven't had much success against them for a while. Even with soO's second place finishes for the last couple of years he's consistently been the best Zerg in the world besides Rogue. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 03 2018 08:16 Bagration wrote: It's a mental thing at this point - guy just crumbles under the weight of all the pressure. They should sponsor a soO redemption tournament where the players are pre-seeded with all the decent players + soO on one side and a few NA masters players on the other side Surely he would never survive not winning that final.  | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On July 03 2018 08:16 Bagration wrote: It's a mental thing at this point - guy just crumbles under the weight of all the pressure. They should sponsor a soO redemption tournament where the players are pre-seeded with all the decent players + soO on one side and a few NA masters players on the other side You mean the first tournament he has ever won ? 2012 MLG vs Proleague Invitational | ||
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Agh
United States1062 Posts
I'm all for the larger groups/pools but feel like they should be seeded a little better. | ||
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Hok
Canada42 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3506 Posts
I feel really bad for Solar he went 23-7 in map score and even goes 5-3 against INnoVation, but still loses getting a 4th place finish. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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