GSL Code S Season 2 (2018) qualifier results - Page 4

You're missing the point. Foreigners have their own special tournaments that koreans aren't allowed to compete in. Yet they're also allowed to play in the korean tournaments and earn money there as well. Which is blatently unfair to the koreans as it's their primary source of competition.

Koreans previously going to foreigner tournaments and "stealing money" wasn't at all the same thing. There's no hypocrisy there because region locking didn't exist during this time. If foreigners wanted to play in korea they could, in fact some of them did. During this time both koreans and foreigners could play anywhere.

If you agree that the best players should be the ones who qualify, then that same mentality should apply to the WCS events where koreans aren't allowed into.

On March 29 2018 07:33 Shuffleblade wrote:

What the hell is wrong with all of you, whats not cool with foreigners winning GSL code S spots?

You all act as if the spots where won in a raffle, Sortof got first spot in his bracket defeating unknown korean, Creator and eMotion.
Elazer got his spot defeating PartinG and Hurricane.
Zanster went through Salvation and Ragnarok.
Scarlett went through TY and Bunny to take first spot.

All of the above are high level korean pros (even though PartinGs form is unknown), its not like they got through based on bracket luck. Almost no foreigner faced other foreigners, they took their spots fair and square and that is really cool to see.

I hate the WCS system where koreans are locked into korea but don't blame that on the foreigners that are kicking ass.

Its quite simple really, the best players should qualify, I believe that was the spirit of GSL and I also believed that was the reason you korean pro fans loved it so much. Half the fanbase cried that it was unfair when koreans went abroad and stole the money from the foreigner pros, the other half argued its fair the best players should go to the tournaments and earn the money. These korean pro fans that wanted them to be able to go any tournament is now crying that its unfair that foreigners are allowed to go to korea and win money if they are better than the koreans? Its like a bad tv show, the ultimate hypocrites.

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Foreigners were able to compete in GSL and other korean tournaments before you know? Some of them even moved into kespa houses and played in proleague/SSL etc. The only thing koreans had "unfair" was the teamstructure. If foreigners actually trained and practiced just as hard they would been able to compete better. Which some of them did (Snute for example).

It's really not "balanced out" now either, the current system is grossly in favour of foreigners. Giving them access to literally everything while koreans are restricted to their own tournaments. The top koreans may be okay but the mid-low tier ones have been almost completely killed of.

"All unfairness results from past decisions to focus on Korea, which in fact was killing popularity of the game" what utter nonsense. Not that I'd expect anything better from the most deluded foreign fanboy on the site.

On March 29 2018 08:18 Fango wrote:

Foreigners were able to compete in GSL and other korean tournaments before you know? Some of them even moved into kespa houses and played in proleague/SSL etc. The only thing koreans had "unfair" was the teamstructure. If foreigners actually trained and practiced just as hard they would been able to compete better. Which some of them did (Snute for example).

It's really not "balanced out" now either, the current system is grossly in favour of foreigners. Giving them access to literally everything while koreans are restricted to their own tournaments. The top koreans may be okay but the mid-low tier ones have been almost completely killed off.

On March 29 2018 11:49 pvsnp wrote:
TL should keep a counter of how many times region-lock has been discussed without any new points being raised. I'm all for discussion, but if you don't bring anything new to the table it just becomes an stale snorefest

There was a discussion two days ago that covered everything that's been said here already, and in all likelihood, whatever is going to be said here in the near future


Koreans used to have an organic advantage in their developed scene. Foreigners now have an artificial advantage in Blizzard's diktat. Korean SC2 is dying and will last a few more years at most. Foreign SC2 will probably follow it into the grave. The end.

On March 29 2018 12:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Looks like Blizzard just threw some fuel on this fire

https://twitter.com/psiTRUE/status/979202981856817152

On March 27 2018 05:05 pvsnp wrote:
People are overlooking Blizzard's role in all of this. It's a safe assumption that Blizzard wants region-lock to be a thing (since yknow, it actually is a thing and all). That being the case, if a bunch of Koreans can circumvent region-lock and continue with their pre-region-lock behavior, the natural reaction from Blizzard is to simply update the rules in order to keep the Koreans out of foreign tournaments.

It goes something like this:

1. Region-lock is implemented to keep Koreans from dominating all the foreign tournaments

2. Multiple Koreans start using a legal loophole to dominate foreign tournaments

3. Blizzard steps in and bans this

4. Koreans have wasted a bunch of time, effort, and money

Really, it's not surprising that none of the Koreans bother to try.


What is surprising to me, however, is just how many people are defending region-lock as a "fair" system. Region-lock is blatantly unfair by definition. Whether it is justified is up for debate, but the fact that it is an unfair system is incontestable.

An unfair system in the past doesn't mean an unfair system today suddenly becomes fair. Yes, a system can be both unfair and justified (perhaps region-lock is such a system, perhaps not). Foreigners like Scarlett, Major, etc, are taking advantage of an unfair system. These are all simple concepts, and I cannot fathom how or why people cannot understand them unless they're so myopically hidebound as to believe they or the players they cheer for must always have the moral high ground, even when such a thing doesn't exist.

On March 29 2018 08:51 Kafka777 wrote:


I think you are really missing the point. Foreign players have always or mostly had to pay for their visits to Korea from their own pocket, teams (with few exceptions) did not pay for this, just like it is now. There are foreigners in Korea coz they won prize money in wcs (but also they do get some support now, otherwise it would be impossible to rent the flat get pc's etc). Koreans did not only receive all the support that I mentioned earlier but they were also flown in and received free accommodation from tournament organizers like Homestory cup (this is not available to foreiggners who have to pay to participate in the cup), just to pick up a check. How can you even compare the passion foreign players have vs Koreans. Koreans have always had all their bills and accommodation paid while earning 10-50 x more from their teams..