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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On January 23 2018 11:48 Freeborn wrote: What exactly is the reason for the stalker nerf? Protoss stalkers feel like a non crappy unit for the first time? Is the ladder being flooded by stalker allins or something? I don't see any problems in the pro games. you must be blind | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On January 23 2018 08:12 washikie wrote: its not eligant but it solves the problem, frankly im ok with fixes like this if they cant find another decent way of fixing problems, the disrupter drop was broken, but adding a delay on disruptors in armies just felt clunky and bad. this lets them work well in armies without being able to consta trade with terran bio for free while terran has no time to react. From a gameplay standpoint its the best of both worlds. The Disruptor change (attack delay when dropped from a transport) is exactly the same approach Blizzard implemented on Reavers in Brood War to balance Reaver harassment, which had the exact same problem as Disruptor drops. I'm not defending it as not clunky and unintuitive, because it is both of those, but at least it's been proven to be a fairly effective at solving the problem. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On January 23 2018 08:15 washikie wrote: bio has been nerfed in the past what are you talking about? -stim nerf -maurader attack nerf -bunker build time nerf -widowmine nerf its also been indireclty nerfed repeatedly through buffs to the other races. I dont think this nerf kills hydra bane but it does make the timing that zerg can get out speed hydras more reasonable and creates more moments of vulnerability in the mid game where terran and protoss have some breathing room. its a good change. And where's the breathing room for Zerg? Concidering that they buff or add more and more harras options for T and P in all those years. Especially now when the auto turret is back? | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
On January 23 2018 08:27 jpg06051992 wrote: Protoss changes all seem decent except for the Purifier which should just be flat out removed from the game. The changes are super inelegant and really reflect the balance teams lack of a clue on how to make the unit good. Here's an idea.. Put the Reaver...in the game... Problem solved, Protoss players already have a clue on how the unit works and the unit was able to be balanced in BW relatively well, no reason it shouldn't be implemented to replace the garbage unit that is the Purifier. There is a very small difference between reaver and disruptor. 1. Disruptor require micro for every shot, the reaver auto attacks 2. Reaver auto targets according to aggro (usually the closest enemy). Disruptor needs to be targetted but deals damage on impact (usually the closest enemy). 3. Disruptor shots are on a cool down. Reaver shots has a cooldown and a need to have enough scarabs, which cost minerals and take time to build. Other than that, they are basically the same unit. A ground to ground explosion shooter. In my opinion the reaver looks to be better at winning games. That is bad. Reaver would need to be tweaked exactly like the disruptor has been several times. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
Not that keen on the Hydra change either, though I like the Disruptor, Stalker and Shield Battery changes. Ghost idk about. I can see Adepts being mega wonky for a little while, interested to hear how that goes for players. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On January 23 2018 15:48 Drfilip wrote: There is a very small difference between reaver and disruptor. 1. Disruptor require micro for every shot, the reaver auto attacks 2. Reaver auto targets according to aggro (usually the closest enemy). Disruptor needs to be targetted but deals damage on impact (usually the closest enemy). 3. Disruptor shots are on a cool down. Reaver shots has a cooldown and a need to have enough scarabs, which cost minerals and take time to build. Other than that, they are basically the same unit. A ground to ground explosion shooter. In my opinion the reaver looks to be better at winning games. That is bad. Reaver would need to be tweaked exactly like the disruptor has been several times. 4. The Disruptor looks much more cool and sleek than the Reaver. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On January 23 2018 07:58 hiroshOne wrote: Hydra nerf will make Protoss invincible in this matchup. Pretty safe against any Zerg midgame agression. Not a good change i think. The MU is an all-in from Zerg to avoid late game, and they decide to nerf zerg mid game without touching protoss late game. Like they did when they "rework SH". Also considering how zerg are doing poorly vs T, it's also a mech buff. It feels like blizzard doesn't want to see Zerg winning something this year. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On January 23 2018 16:24 Tyrhanius wrote: The MU is an all-in from Zerg to avoid late game, and they decide to nerf zerg mid game without touching protoss late game. Like they did when they "rework SH". Also considering how zerg are doing poorly vs T, it's also a mech buff. It feels like blizzard doesn't want to see Zerg winning something this year. Exactly this. Especially that for all those years they limited Zerg midgame comps. Muta/bling is obsolete, especially thanks to single Thor wrecking mutas.They nerfed Infestors, they nerfed Ravagers. Hydra/bling was the only valid composition, giving Zerg some room to swith into Hive tech, by letting Zerg to be agressive. Now it's purely defensive in TvZ, as timing is so freaking nerfed. GG Zerg in both matchups. Protoss will safely camp into mass carriers withoit even bothering of getting defences. Terran will do whatever they want on the map. Slowly killing u with harras and drops. And even camping to Hive tech has no point, as Ultras are not as strong as they used to be. Broodlords too, especially with no support from Infestors. I'm wandering, what the fuck they are thinking about, nerfing Zerg so hard and not even bothering to think about Protoss Air nerf. Carriers are so ridiculous... | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On January 23 2018 16:44 hiroshOne wrote: Exactly this. Especially that for all those years they limited Zerg midgame comps. Muta/bling is obsolete, especially thanks to single Thor wrecking mutas.They nerfed Infestors, they nerfed Ravagers. Hydra/bling was the only valid composition, giving Zerg some room to swith into Hive tech, by letting Zerg to be agressive. Now it's purely defensive in TvZ, as timing is so freaking nerfed. GG Zerg in both matchups. Protoss will safely camp into mass carriers withoit even bothering of getting defences. Terran will do whatever they want on the map. Slowly killing u with harras and drops. And even camping to Hive tech has no point, as Ultras are not as strong as they used to be. Broodlords too, especially with no support from Infestors. I'm wandering, what the fuck they are thinking about, nerfing Zerg so hard and not even bothering to think about Protoss Air nerf. Carriers are so ridiculous... I think you've misunderstood zerg. A single thor doesn't wreck mutas if you actually micro your mutas. By the time Protoss is on carriers, you should be on 8 bases and simply have more than the protoss. On equal supply and money, zerg isn't supposed to win neither to terran nor protoss. If you defend their harass well and macro as you should, you should win by nutrition. If you see a pro zerg die to a terran or a protoss, it is likely the terran or the protoss did something earlier in the game to cause them to die later on in the game. That's how zerg works... | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Also, that you have players from every race complaining about the patch is a good indication that Blizzard is on the right track. | ||
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kylekatarn1985
2 Posts
BUT i don't know why nobody speaks about Anti-Armor Missile change as it will completely break the game, this is opp ability. you get two instant missile with third coming very shortly. so i.e. 6 ravens x 2 missile = 12 x 30 damage, 360 splash damage instantly, with almost no way to split, so hydra will simply be rekt in seconds, after that marines, or helbats will finish what is left, same with BRL. you simply can't split them that means that they will receive all damage. At my level of skill (3700-3800) that will be hard to exсute. but top terran playes, should dominate mid game. It may have big impact on tvt, as marines will also die in seconds. Not sure for tvp, as protoss has HT, which easily can deal with ravens. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On January 23 2018 17:08 MockHamill wrote: I agree with all the changes. Also, that you have players from every race complaining about the patch is a good indication that Blizzard is on the right track. A good compromise is when everyone is unhappy! Right now we've got complaints from Terran whiners, Protoss whiners, and Zerg whiners, so that means Blizzard is doing a pretty good job. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 23 2018 17:29 pvsnp wrote: A good compromise is when everyone is unhappy! Right now we've got complaints from Terran whiners, Protoss whiners, and Zerg whiners, so that means Blizzard is doing a pretty good job. Or it could mean that the community is really really whiny and would whine at anything. It's probably both. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On January 23 2018 17:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Or it could mean that the community is really really whiny and would whine at anything. It's probably both. I mean, my post was pretty tongue-in-cheek. While I do think these changes are mostly solid, this community whines about everything. Even if the game was in an absolutely perfect state of balance salty people would still make up shit to whine about. Of course, that's just human nature. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On January 23 2018 17:01 sd_andeh wrote: I think you've misunderstood zerg. A single thor doesn't wreck mutas if you actually micro your mutas. By the time Protoss is on carriers, you should be on 8 bases and simply have more than the protoss. On equal supply and money, zerg isn't supposed to win neither to terran nor protoss. If you defend their harass well and macro as you should, you should win by nutrition. If you see a pro zerg die to a terran or a protoss, it is likely the terran or the protoss did something earlier in the game to cause them to die later on in the game. That's how zerg works... I think you misunderstand Zerg. There is absolutely no way you get to 8 base zerg at the time carriers arrive. There is no reason either, as at the time skyToss lategame army is up in the air, only the main and 2nd (maybe the third will start to be low too) will be depleted and you can't spend supply to saturate 6 bases. And the playstyle of nutrition with inefficient trade but with a better economy is much weaker since the larvae nerf. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
Im no pro by any means, but felt like a repair for my mech army was useful and I dislike the turret in general. | ||
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Creager
Germany1946 Posts
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omop
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
Not sure about the Armor missile though, maybe it has some potential now. Otherwise Raven stays a completely obsolete unit. | ||
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