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On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:On December 12 2017 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:On December 12 2017 19:31 mLtySC wrote:
Hey everybody, Apollo said ESL is looking into this. Let ESL look into it and see if they can come up with a solution. This overreaction to boycotting this broadcaster, and that broadcaster is just damaging to the SC2 community. Not too long ago, people say they will boycott Rifkin. And now people are saying they will boycott IEM. And at a certain point in time, people said that about TakeTV too. Look, you do that, and the SC2 pro scene collapses. Without BaseTradeTV, without IEM, without TakeTV, without all these organizers supporting the SC2 pro scene, there won't be a SC2 pro scene anymore. In this case, let's reserve our judgement until ESL has a chance to work it through. It's bad enough that Pro League is gone and many Korean SC2 pros either retired or quit SC2 altogether, but now we are throwing pitchforks at what's left and sadly, there isn't much left. Outside of Korea, it's more or less IEM and Dreamhack that are the prestigious tournaments left for SC2. Boycotting IEM leaves us just with Dreamhack, lol. We don't have many choices these days. And neither do the pros. ESL and IEM leaving SC2 would be a big blow to the SC2 pro scene. So give ESL a chance to fix this. What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place. I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation.
learn to read dude. i said i will not watch anymore ESL events if they DO NOT give a good explanation.
Seriously, if they cannot come up with a good explanation or a good solution, i don't think they deserve support.
You are not going to support a lousy restaurant with poor service just because hey it's one of the last few restaurants left in your neighborhood, same logic.
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On December 13 2017 02:08 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:On December 12 2017 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:Hey everybody, Apollo said ESL is looking into this. Let ESL look into it and see if they can come up with a solution. This overreaction to boycotting this broadcaster, and that broadcaster is just damaging to the SC2 community. Not too long ago, people say they will boycott Rifkin. And now people are saying they will boycott IEM. And at a certain point in time, people said that about TakeTV too. Look, you do that, and the SC2 pro scene collapses. Without BaseTradeTV, without IEM, without TakeTV, without all these organizers supporting the SC2 pro scene, there won't be a SC2 pro scene anymore. In this case, let's reserve our judgement until ESL has a chance to work it through. It's bad enough that Pro League is gone and many Korean SC2 pros either retired or quit SC2 altogether, but now we are throwing pitchforks at what's left and sadly, there isn't much left. Outside of Korea, it's more or less IEM and Dreamhack that are the prestigious tournaments left for SC2. Boycotting IEM leaves us just with Dreamhack, lol. We don't have many choices these days. And neither do the pros. ESL and IEM leaving SC2 would be a big blow to the SC2 pro scene. So give ESL a chance to fix this. What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place. I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation. learn to read dude. i said i will not watch anymore ESL events if they DO NOT give a good explanation. Seriously, if they cannot come up with a good explanation or a good solution, i don't think they deserve support. You are not going to support a lousy restaurant with poor service just because hey it's one of the last few restaurants left in your neighborhood, same logic.
Though you also don't abandon one of the last restaurants in the neighborhood because they gave you bad service one day but are otherwise pretty good.
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Also, I do have to point out that some tournaments are extremely close together.
WCS Leipzig - January 26-28
WESG NA qualifier - February 1-4
IEM PeyongChang - February 5-7
Winter Olympics - February 9-25
IEM couldn't have postponed the tournament a week later or held the tournament a week earlier. The only time where there would be absolutely no overlap is January 19-21. But this time would be way too early for the Olympic crowd to see.
IEM's initial handling was pretty poor, but I can understand the logic of not being sure if players could even make it to their tournament.
Scarlett even wrote that they wouldn't be able to make the first day of IEM, and so if there were any delays, the tournament could be down two players.
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On December 13 2017 02:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 02:08 Kaizor wrote:On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:On December 12 2017 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:Hey everybody, Apollo said ESL is looking into this. Let ESL look into it and see if they can come up with a solution. This overreaction to boycotting this broadcaster, and that broadcaster is just damaging to the SC2 community. Not too long ago, people say they will boycott Rifkin. And now people are saying they will boycott IEM. And at a certain point in time, people said that about TakeTV too. Look, you do that, and the SC2 pro scene collapses. Without BaseTradeTV, without IEM, without TakeTV, without all these organizers supporting the SC2 pro scene, there won't be a SC2 pro scene anymore. In this case, let's reserve our judgement until ESL has a chance to work it through. It's bad enough that Pro League is gone and many Korean SC2 pros either retired or quit SC2 altogether, but now we are throwing pitchforks at what's left and sadly, there isn't much left. Outside of Korea, it's more or less IEM and Dreamhack that are the prestigious tournaments left for SC2. Boycotting IEM leaves us just with Dreamhack, lol. We don't have many choices these days. And neither do the pros. ESL and IEM leaving SC2 would be a big blow to the SC2 pro scene. So give ESL a chance to fix this. What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place. I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation. learn to read dude. i said i will not watch anymore ESL events if they DO NOT give a good explanation. Seriously, if they cannot come up with a good explanation or a good solution, i don't think they deserve support. You are not going to support a lousy restaurant with poor service just because hey it's one of the last few restaurants left in your neighborhood, same logic. Though you also don't abandon one of the last restaurants in the neighborhood because they gave you bad service one day but are otherwise pretty good.
Yes, Katowice was the best event last year, i hope it will be so in 2018 
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any other games affected by this bullshit?
Imagine if they did that to the CS teams.
I expect more from IEM tbh.
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On December 13 2017 02:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
Also, I do have to point out that some tournaments are extremely close together.
WCS Leipzig - January 26-28
WESG NA qualifier - February 1-4
IEM PeyongChang - February 5-7
Winter Olympics - February 9-25
IEM couldn't have postponed the tournament a week later or held the tournament a week earlier. The only time where there would be absolutely no overlap is January 19-21. But this time would be way too early for the Olympic crowd to see.
IEM's initial handling was pretty poor, but I can understand the logic of not being sure if players could even make it to their tournament.
Scarlett even wrote that they wouldn't be able to make the first day of IEM, and so if there were any delays, the tournament could be down two players.
There are also media days to be done and other things to do. Being a player at a tournament is not always just showing up and playing games.
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On December 13 2017 03:05 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 02:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
Also, I do have to point out that some tournaments are extremely close together.
WCS Leipzig - January 26-28
WESG NA qualifier - February 1-4
IEM PeyongChang - February 5-7
Winter Olympics - February 9-25
IEM couldn't have postponed the tournament a week later or held the tournament a week earlier. The only time where there would be absolutely no overlap is January 19-21. But this time would be way too early for the Olympic crowd to see.
IEM's initial handling was pretty poor, but I can understand the logic of not being sure if players could even make it to their tournament.
Scarlett even wrote that they wouldn't be able to make the first day of IEM, and so if there were any delays, the tournament could be down two players. There are also media days to be done and other things to do. Being a player at a tournament is not always just showing up and playing games.
Thats right but if you make sure all the good players can't come, I don't see any scenario where an avilo media day can turn out to be a positive thing.
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On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:
What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place.
I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation.
We're living in a world where without death treats, the world isn't moving at all. Why do you think there are only 2 tournaments now if they keep making a fool of the sc2's scene ?... Either this game is dead, or they seriously need a kick in the ass.
Sadly, I'm a very cynical guy, the former is most likely to happen.
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On December 13 2017 03:15 RaiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:
What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place.
I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation. We're living in a world where without death treats, the world isn't moving at all. Why do you think there are only 2 tournaments now if they keep making a fool of the sc2's scene ?... Either this game is dead, or they seriously need a kick in the ass. Sadly, I'm a very cynical guy, the former is most likely to happen.
Nothing makes me want to get more involved with a scene than receiving death threats from them?
What.
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On December 13 2017 03:27 feardragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 03:15 RaiZ wrote:On December 13 2017 01:18 xelnaga_empire wrote:On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote:
What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place.
I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation. We're living in a world where without death treats, the world isn't moving at all. Why do you think there are only 2 tournaments now if they keep making a fool of the sc2's scene ?... Either this game is dead, or they seriously need a kick in the ass. Sadly, I'm a very cynical guy, the former is most likely to happen. Nothing makes me want to get more involved with a scene than receiving death threats from them? What.
Which is worse, death threats or capital Fs?
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Just wanna say as far as any possible injustice or possible boycotting, I had no idea what was going on with regards to that. I assumed people couldn't show up because of simple scheduling conflicts. I got a last minute e-mail asking me to replace neeb, who I assumed dropped out because he qualifies for everything but probably can't play in everything that's happening this Jan-Feb, and so I decided to show up and did the best I could. I didn't have time to consider or research if anything fishy was going on. Just went to my PC and started playing.
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You are in the fine NonY.
You done nothing wrong and think we all happy you showed up so the qualifier wasn't more empty.
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Nice job, ESL and IEM. How to help Blizzard to stop being the biggest villain of SC2 since introducing region lock ... We have a new villain in the town!
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maybe someone is sleeping who needs to give his approval..
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On December 13 2017 07:37 Charoisaur wrote:maybe someone is sleeping who needs to give his approval..
this is the biggest broken promise since pizza.gg
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They fucked up, but doesn't everyone sometimes? ESL/IEM are a vital part of what remains of the SC2 scene and they generally do a great job. We should cut them some slack, especially if they find a way to resolve the situation.
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Came back here assuming that the answer they would post "in the next hour or two" would have been up by now. Pretty dumb that this happened at all. You would think the admins' would have realized that this was not a very smart idea in the first place...
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On December 12 2017 23:13 Musicus wrote:
you gotta love TB
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EPT
