EPTOn December 12 2017 21:56 Icarus2 wrote:
Still no response from Apollo
Still no response from Apollo
Well a lot probably changed since they talked with Alex and WESG.
Neeb, SpeCial, Scarlett, JonSnow DQ'd from IEM PC - Page 4
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Musicus
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Well a lot probably changed since they talked with Alex and WESG. | ||
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MrWayne
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On December 12 2017 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote: Hey everybody, Apollo said ESL is looking into this. Let ESL look into it and see if they can come up with a solution. This overreaction to boycotting this broadcaster, and that broadcaster is just damaging to the SC2 community. Not too long ago, people say they will boycott Rifkin. And now people are saying they will boycott IEM. And at a certain point in time, people said that about TakeTV too. Look, you do that, and the SC2 pro scene collapses. Without BaseTradeTV, without IEM, without TakeTV, without all these organizers supporting the SC2 pro scene, there won't be a SC2 pro scene anymore. In this case, let's reserve our judgement until ESL has a chance to work it through. It's bad enough that Pro League is gone and many Korean SC2 pros either retired or quit SC2 altogether, but now we are throwing pitchforks at what's left and sadly, there isn't much left. Outside of Korea, it's more or less IEM and Dreamhack that are the prestigious tournaments left for SC2. Boycotting IEM leaves us just with Dreamhack, lol. We don't have many choices these days. And neither do the pros. ESL and IEM leaving SC2 would be a big blow to the SC2 pro scene. So give ESL a chance to fix this. This man is absolutely right. everybody please stay calm. | ||
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Leviance
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Hushfield
Belgium80 Posts
That being said though, I do feel like this scheduling problem is due to both poor planning and lack of flexibility on ESL/IEM's part. Everybody makes mistakes, but freezing up and stubbornly refusing to have another look at a situation often does far more damage than the initial mistake. It's unfortunate that the IEM NA qualifier was allowed to proceed at all, because now it has become a lose-lose situation where every possible path means disappointment for some of the players involved. It's a tough situation, I hope Apollo can come up with a good way to handle this. | ||
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Boggyb
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Kaizor
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Which i think is completely reasonable. They are given a chance to state their case. If it is some bs they come up with, could you really justify still supporting them? | ||
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shadymmj
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Musicus
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Ciaus_Dronu
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leublix
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Also what's the point on shitting on the players that actually played in the qualifiers, not their fault. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On December 12 2017 23:23 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If I were Blizz I'd be seriously considering lawsuits right now. They give IEM money for this crap don't they? Oh come on, that's insane. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 12 2017 23:36 Musicus wrote: https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/940589326471237632 Considering how they've handled things so far, it probably involves taking away a South Korean seed and giving it to NA and holding a new qualifier. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16086 Posts
On December 12 2017 23:40 Boggyb wrote: Considering how they've handled things so far, it probably involves taking away a South Korean seed and giving it to NA and holding a new qualifier. No, they will replace the KR spot but instead of a qualifier it will just be a coinflip between Neeb, Special and Scarlett. No admin available to run another qualifier  | ||
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Ctone23
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Shellshock
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On December 12 2017 23:23 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If I were Blizz I'd be seriously considering lawsuits right now. They give IEM money for this crap don't they? I wouldn't go THAT far... Things like this happen all the time, just not always this... messy. | ||
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DieuCure
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On December 12 2017 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote: Hey everybody, Apollo said ESL is looking into this. Let ESL look into it and see if they can come up with a solution. This overreaction to boycotting this broadcaster, and that broadcaster is just damaging to the SC2 community. Not too long ago, people say they will boycott Rifkin. And now people are saying they will boycott IEM. And at a certain point in time, people said that about TakeTV too. Look, you do that, and the SC2 pro scene collapses. Without BaseTradeTV, without IEM, without TakeTV, without all these organizers supporting the SC2 pro scene, there won't be a SC2 pro scene anymore. In this case, let's reserve our judgement until ESL has a chance to work it through. It's bad enough that Pro League is gone and many Korean SC2 pros either retired or quit SC2 altogether, but now we are throwing pitchforks at what's left and sadly, there isn't much left. Outside of Korea, it's more or less IEM and Dreamhack that are the prestigious tournaments left for SC2. Boycotting IEM leaves us just with Dreamhack, lol. We don't have many choices these days. And neither do the pros. ESL and IEM leaving SC2 would be a big blow to the SC2 pro scene. So give ESL a chance to fix this. What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place. I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On December 13 2017 01:15 Fango wrote: What you say is true. But without some kind of angry reaction from the players/comunity, there's no way ESL would have done anything in the first place. I'm not saying people should send death threats to ESL or anything crazy. But you should at least express distaste in how they organized the event. Not complaining/doing anything is a sure way to make sure stuff like this happens again Yes, letting ESL know that you are displeased and that they need to fix the problem is one thing. Asking ESL to make sure this doesn't happen again is also reasonable. Some people in this thread were advocating boycotting IEM forever. Boycotting IEM forever is counter productive and a total loss for the SC2 community, especially if ESL is willing to find a solution to this situation. | ||
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