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ZigguratOfUr
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Its been a big week here for StarCraft! Just this past weekend we hope you had fun watching Home Story Cup and seeing all of the changes being played out at a high level. And this week itself we have gone live with our big patch with a new commander for coop and all of the multiplayer design patch changes.
Now that the patch is out, we would like to make a number of balance changes based off of observations and feedback that we received from the community. The patch is a bit larger than usual for a balance patch, but these past changes have been larger than usual as well! In addition, a number of ESports events are coming up in December so we would like to make sure that players have time to practice with new balance updates. In addition the holiday season is upon us so we would like to target a balance update for sometime during the week of November 27th.
Zerg
For design patches we like to lean on the side of making things powerful so that players can really feel the changes and then pull back from there. However, it seems the Infestor is currently further in this direction than we would like. We believe that Fungal Growth is the prime reason for its strength and we want to increase counterattack options to the currently stealthy Infestors first before heavily nerfing its direct power. So we are going to reduce the Fungal Growth area of effect slightly and remove the ability to cast Fungal Growth while burrowed. In line with this we are also planning on reducing Infested Terran cast range by 2. It can still be cast while burrowed, but now there should be more trade off in how far forward you want to move your Infestors with the initial cast and how much you want to let the Infested Terrans walk towards their targets.
Infestor
- Fungal Growth Area of Effect reduced from 2.5 to 2.25.
- Fungal Growth can no longer be cast while burrowed.
- Infested Terran cast range reduced from 9 to 7.
Protoss 
Since Protoss got the biggest design changes in this patch we would like to carefully monitor certain areas before making a move. Disruptors and Stalkers could be overly powerful, but we would like to get more data first. However, the roughly 3 minute Oracle timing vs Terran seems too strong so we want to make a adjustment to that strategy. Since the Oracle itself is a strong option in several matchups and already fights well at short ranges, (Thus already providing player interaction, but perhaps too sharply) we believe that we can adjust the power of the unit.
Oracle
- Pulsar Beam
- Damage changed from 25 vs light to 22 vs light.
- Damage type reverted back from Normal to Spell.
- Build time increased from 37 to 43 seconds.
This changes how effective they are against Marines and SCVs especially. Marines are now able to defeat an Oracle head on with a group of 5 instead of 6. This change also adjusts the relationship between Oracles and Hydralisks slightly and the Hydralisk will perform better vs Oracles. We are also increasing the build time to match Void Rays to help push back the timing of when Oracles hit slightly.
We are also planning on slightly increasing the cost of Shield Batteries. Right now the decision to make them is a bit too ubiquitous so we would like to make their cost more similar to other defensive structures. This is just an initial change, depending on how the meta game develops we might have to revisit this newly added building in future balance passes.
Shield Battery
- Cost increased from 75 to 100 Minerals.
Terran 
For Terran we want to introduce some buffs as we think a number of their upgrades are currently more expensive than required. With the current nerfs to the Widow Mine we think the upgrade is much more costly than needed, especially since the upgrade is now more needed to keep your mines alive. In addition the Rapid Fire Launchers have a very specific use case so we want to reduce the cost here as well. Finally Smart Servos is probably slightly over costed compared to other mobility/combat upgrades like Stimpack and Combat Shields.
Factory Tech Lab
- Drilling Claws cost reduced from 150 Minerals / 150 Vespene Gas to 75 / 75
- Rapid Fire Launchers cost reduced from 150 Minerals / 150 Vespene Gas to 75 / 75
- Smart Servos cost reduced from 150 Minerals / 150 Vepsene Gas to 100 / 100
Also we have been getting feedback about Ghost usage in regards to cost and how they can be a bit inconsistent. Here we wanted to buff Steady Targeting slightly and adjust the cost of Ghosts to better fit in with Bio oriented playstyles.
Ghost
- Cost changed from 200 Minerals / 100 Vespene Gas to 150 / 125
- When interrupted by damage Steady Targeting returns 50 energy to the Ghost.
Returning energy on interrupted Steady Targeting should help Terran players who keep their cool under pressure and retarget the ability. Also while the cost change is an overall reduction, Vespene Gas is usually seen as more valuable, except to high level Marine oriented Bio play. This should make it a more competitive choice for players.
Future Changes
This is of course not the end of balance tuning. The changes are very new and we think that even without patches the game will change quite a bit as high level players develop new strategies. Some areas that we are especially keeping an eye on include things like: Widow Mine usage post nerf, Stalker/Disruptor power vs Terran, overall effectiveness of Terran Bio, timings with the new Chrono Boost, Raven strength and the late game strength of Zerg.
As always let us know what you think on the forums or other community areas!
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Bio is the most interesting thing in sc2, but they buff mech, ok.
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On November 18 2017 03:56 DieuCure wrote:
Bio is the most interesting thing in sc2, but they buff mech, ok.
They also buffed bio...
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When interrupted by damage Steady Targeting returns 50 energy to the Ghost. Not sure this is very consistent with other spells in the game.
Other than that this is a really good patch, keep up the good work new David!
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Ghost buff is huge vs broodlords. Probably necessary since Zerg AA is insane right now and vikings die like flies.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 18 2017 03:59 ejozl wrote: Not sure this is very consistent with other spells in the game.
The consistency already stopped when Steady Targeting became interruptable
All of these things should have been considered before the patch was released in the first place, honestly.
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On November 18 2017 03:59 ejozl wrote: Not sure this is very consistent with other spells in the game. Other than that this is a really good patch, keep up the good work new David!
Which other spell can be interrupted?
How Snipe works is unique and unlike any other spell in the game.
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I like most of the changes here. But are these changes coming too quickly? The patch has only been out for 2 to 3 weeks at most by the time the end of the month hits. Maybe proceed with the unit damage changes, but not the other stuff, like Protoss and reverting between Normal and Spell damage for example.
What is Spell damage anyways?
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On November 18 2017 04:05 geokilla wrote:
I like most of the changes here. But are these changes coming too quickly? The patch has only been out for 2 to 3 weeks at most by the time the end of the month hits. Maybe proceed with the unit damage changes, but not the other stuff, like Protoss and reverting between Normal and Spell damage for example.
What is Spell damage anyways?
Spell damage doesnt get affected by armor (storm or mine shots are spell damage for example)
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If infestors get nerfed this hard and cant cast fungal while burrowed, it would be nice if their model was made smaller, or if they got a weak auto attack like high templars.
Infestors are the one zerg unit that really scales with skills. The difference between a high level player using them and a lower level player is tremendus, when you compare it to other zerg units such as hydralisks, roaches, ultralisks,etc.
If they get nerfed too hard and go back to being fat useless units, it will be a shame.
You need to try to keep ideal zerg compositions away from things like ling bane hydra. That unit comp is a-move type with very little micro potential, and makes it hard for top level zergs to shine when compared to top terran players and top protoss players.
It would be really nice to get zerg similar micro potential and skill scaling as the other races have.
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I agree 100% with this community update. Every single change is a move in the right direction. Well done Blizzard.
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I liked the changes overall, but why would they triple nerf the infestors? They will go back to garbage unit that no one makes with these changes.
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A good first step towards making the game playable again.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
I approve of nerfing fastest oracle from 2:55 to 3:00
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Sounds good, see you next month, when more nerfs and buffes come in.
Rapid launcher and smart servos are still useless and nobody will use them, but that never stopped neal steel frame.
Drilling craws should make mines invis while recharging, then make the upgrade 150/150 again.
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On November 18 2017 04:23 Elentos wrote:
I approve of nerfing fastest oracle from 2:55 to 3:00
more like 2.58 with the chronos!
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God forbid Infestors are useful units for 2 days.
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On November 18 2017 04:19 ihatevideogames wrote:
A good first step towards making the game playable again.
Your name really fits your post.
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On November 18 2017 04:08 Snakestyle1 wrote:
If infestors get nerfed this hard and cant cast fungal while burrowed, it would be nice if their model was made smaller, or if they got a weak auto attack like high templars.
Infestors are the one zerg unit that really scales with skills. The difference between a high level player using them and a lower level player is tremendus, when you compare it to other zerg units such as hydralisks, roaches, ultralisks,etc.
If they get nerfed too hard and go back to being fat useless units, it will be a shame.
You need to try to keep ideal zerg compositions away from things like ling bane hydra. That unit comp is a-move type with very little micro potential, and makes it hard for top level zergs to shine when compared to top terran players and top protoss players.
It would be really nice to get zerg similar micro potential and skill scaling as the other races have.
Agreed although that they can't cast while burrowed is good imo.
From the terran side it just didn't really have counterplay except trying to guess when the zerg tries to fungal because T doesn't have reliable detection.
Damage, radius, range can all be adjusted but the ability to cast burrowed was dumb.
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On November 18 2017 03:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Oracle
- Pulsar Beam
- Damage changed from 25 vs light to 22 vs light.
- Damage type reverted back from Normal to Spell.
- Build time increased from 37 to 43 seconds.
This changes how effective they are against Marines and SCVs especially. Marines are now able to defeat an Oracle head on with a group of 5 instead of 6. This change also adjusts the relationship between Oracles and Hydralisks slightly and the Hydralisk will perform better vs Oracles. We are also increasing the build time to match Void Rays to help push back the timing of when Oracles hit slightly.
Not that I'm against it. Once again they are making changes in a vacuum. This is an indirect slight buff for twilight openers in PvP.
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