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Gurbak
France622 Posts
On October 01 2017 00:49 Nebuchad wrote: The gap used to be about not beating duckdeok and Pigbaby. Now it's about beating Innovation and Stats. Probably a sign that there's some truth to skill level of regions getting closer. but 2013 duckdeok > 2017 inno you should know that | ||
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the_last_terran1
48 Posts
Terran should be able to coontains Zerg on a front line along the creep with bunkers in increasing their capacity (from 4 to 5) and reducing his cost from 100 to 75. I hope you share my vision of the Terran bio style against zerg. In this case Zerg could switch with lurkkers and start a siege against the terran's bunker... etc .. This contain, creep against bunker could be interessant and create a new playstyle from both side. | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
Therefore the article is clickbait because it likely generates more clicks than it would have due to a misleading/over-the-top title. I know I personally clicked on the link with intrigue when I probably wouldn't have otherwise. You can sit here and defend it 'til you're blue in the face, of course, but I don't see the point. I think the smarter course would be to admit that the title was over-the-top and move on. At the end of the day it's not THAT big of a deal to be honest. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
From Page 2.... If the rhetoric from community leaders and hubs like TL continues to frame all non-Koreans as "foreigners" how can we ever expect them to truly embody the game? If in their heart or mind's eye they see themselves as alien to the game? More of the same You are failing to appreciate SC's history with this comment. I understand the critical theory angle that we must avoid terms that have negative connotations or else people's views will be biased by the connotations - I think once you get into starcraft enough it is entirely more that Korea has a roster of players, as a country, that is as big or bigger and ALWAYS better than the entire rest of the world. Thus, they are the starcraft hub. Foreigner is such a useful term to describe what is going on when we have players fueled by the hype of nationalism and being non-korean, and none of the casters or big names in the community(who were all called "foreigners" when they played) take any offense to be ing called foreign. @the article: I agree that Koreans are just better than foreigners, but I wonder if practicing for bo3s,5s, and 7s gives koreans a different skillset than foreigners. When foreigners finally get into tournament brackets, they may prepare some strats for their opponent. When koreans have the same situation and only one day to prepare, they can reflect on all their preparation for the matchup in the last year and have plans upon plans inherited from earlier preparation. Someone who follows international tournaments more than me should be able to tell if my idea has a little merit. | ||
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htx.RuNe
12 Posts
Then I click the article and it's about the KR/foreigner gap. There's a pretty big disconnect between title and content, is what I'm saying. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 01 2017 05:42 htx.RuNe wrote: I mean, I can't presume to know what the editor's thought process here was. All I can say is, when I read "SHOUTCraft: The Wool Pulled Over Our Eyes", the first thing that came to my mind was 'did TB do something wrong with SHOUTCraft? That makes no sense. Did he piss some nerds off over something?' Then I click the article and it's about the KR/foreigner gap. There's a pretty big disconnect between title and content, is what FTFY But let it go mate, I think the mods have made their case that it is fine by them. All we can do is discuss the comment. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 01 2017 03:49 the_last_terran1 wrote: Serral defeat Byun in an intensive match but even if i respect Serral, i can t imagine this victory with some minor problems playing bio style. From what i see on the second map (ascension to aiur) Byun reach the center of the map and constantly harass Serral, then Serral struggle and break the terran with the end game compoosition. I would likke to see Terran with less difficulty in struggling against the creep extension.. Byun bio style is one of the most efficient in starcraft 2 scene and i can t imagine his defeat, but it s look true : creep completely expand and He can t stop it.. Terran should be able to coontains Zerg on a front line along the creep with bunkers in increasing their capacity (from 4 to 5) and reducing his cost from 100 to 75. I hope you share my vision of the Terran bio style against zerg. In this case Zerg could switch with lurkkers and start a siege against the terran's bunker... etc .. This contain, creep against bunker could be interessant and create a new playstyle from both side. No I don't share your vision | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
btw I just watched Snute defeating Innovation in 45 minutes macro game... So, maaaaybe the gap is not as wide as some people claim. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On October 01 2017 08:00 FarmI3oy wrote: Another somewhat pointless article meant to stir the pot. I miss reading articles with substance... I am sorry to say that...but at the moment he is completely right. | ||
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FvRGg
68 Posts
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FvRGg
68 Posts
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mortyFromRickAndMort
85 Posts
On October 01 2017 16:55 FvRGg wrote: BTW why on earth is this under the front page news? This is barely an article let alone an opinion? Affirmative action. Let's find a way to shit on the first actually innovative tournament in ages, that has a huge price pool, great support from Blizzard, a huge viewer base and is organized by a guy who's saving esports with his left arm while beating cancer with his right one. Seriously, if a guy wrote that, this would be moved to blogs, let alone be a featured article. Edit: Apparently a guy DID write it, he just has a female avatar. Egg on my face. | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On October 01 2017 18:57 mortyFromRickAndMort wrote: Affirmative action. Let's find a way to shit on the first actually innovative tournament in ages, that has a huge price pool, great support from Blizzard, a huge viewer base and is organized by a guy who's saving esports with his left arm while beating cancer with his right one. Seriously, if a guy wrote that, this would be moved to blogs, let alone be a featured article. The article doesn't criticize the tournament though. You'd do well to read it first before commenting. SHOUTcraft Kings has been one of the more compelling events since its inception in July of 2016. It’s a romantic concept: a Bo1, King of the Hill competition where the order and names of combatants are unknown. It’s as even a playing field as you can get for foreigners and Koreans alike. And that dynamic has not failed to disappoint fans hungering for entertainment and unexpected results. Really shitting hard on SHOUTcraft here. You can really feel the hate. | ||
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mortyFromRickAndMort
85 Posts
On October 01 2017 18:59 Olli wrote: The article doesn't criticize the tournament though. You'd do well to read it first before commenting. I did read it, twice, and there was so little substance that even four meager paragraphs felt like it was stretching the little content to the breaking point. | ||
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mortyFromRickAndMort
85 Posts
On October 01 2017 18:59 Olli wrote: Really shitting hard on SHOUTcraft here. You can really feel the hate. Nothing you say before a "but" really counts. | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On October 01 2017 19:00 mortyFromRickAndMort wrote: I did read it, twice, and there was so little substance that even four meager paragraphs felt like it was stretching the little content to the breaking point. Fair criticism if you feel that way. We're not going to stop putting commentary pieces in featured news, though. Our writers contribute a ton and know a lot about the game and the scene. They deserve an outlet for their opinion given how much they do to keep people like you up to date with SCII. That's the decision we made internally. Besides, commentary pieces are standard in any quality medium. On October 01 2017 19:05 mortyFromRickAndMort wrote: Nothing you say before a "but" really counts. The writer never says anything negative about the tournament itself. He argues that how it has played out has helped create a wrong narrative within the community. For how little substance you argue the article has, you sure as hell didn't understand it very well. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
TotalBiscuit was pretty open about his intentions with the tournament. It's not about finding the best player. It IS about dramatic storylines and it IS relying on inconsistency of a Bo1. You can try to construct a misleading narrative by taking a particular result (say, Nerchio's run in ShoutCraft) in a vacuum. But nothing happens in a vacuum. Foreigners lose to Koreans in ShoutCraft pretty much as often as one can expect. The latest event was defined by Gumiho's and Innovation's winning streaks. So what was the point of this article and this dramatic title? | ||
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