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On September 30 2017 15:35 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 14:48 Immaterial wrote:I don't want to feed into this debate about the title too too much (...as I proceed to do precisely that, lol) BUT... I'd like to say that when I first saw the title I was 100% under the impression that this article was going to be about some form of deliberate deception carried out by the people that run Shoutcraft. I think part of the problem is that the expression "Wool pulled over our eyes" implies that someone is performing a deliberate action to deceive -- i.e. someone is actively pulling the wool over our eyes, misleading us. One online dictionary defines the expression as to "conceal one's true motives...especially by elaborately feigning good intentions so as to gain an end".... In reality though, the article is suggesting a much more passive, muuuch less nefarious source of this misconception in the community... This could all be a silly misinterpretation on my part, and the description on the home page does clarify things somewhat, but I do think that the choice of title will be misleading to some people. Or perhaps I'm just a dumb dumb ^^ As for the content of the article itself, I won't be quite as critical as some of the other posters have been. However I do agree that you could condense the claim made in the article to something like "Foreigners performing well vs Koreans in online tournaments [or this particular online tournament] does not necessarily correlate with foreigners performing well vs koreans in offline events" On some level this point is likely self evident to many of us here on TL. That said I still enjoyed reading the piece and I thank mizenhauer for writing this && sharing his perspective  I haven't really been plugged into the SC2 community for year(s) now and wouldn't really know much about the common sentiment regarding the foreigner/korean skill gap at this stage of the games life... so if nothing else it was interesting to read a bit about SC2 tournament results recently as my focus on BW lately has kind of limited the extent to which I've been keeping up with these things!~ PS Based on his icon at the top of the page I totally thought mizenhauer was actually a gorgeous asian girl, but sadly it wasn't to be TT I initially assumed (when he first started writing) that mizenhauer was indeed Asian, beautiful, and a girl (as shown in his icon), and did not think to question that assumption for an embarrassingly long time afterward. In fact, I remember thinking: "This mizenhauer girl looks like a model, not a writer."
I'm sorry clicking my twitter link is such a let down.
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I sincerely think that Neeb is the best protoss in the world.
And if Nerchio is right about protoss being the strongest currently, Neeb will probably win the whole thing.
He has the momentum to trash top koreans, hopefully he won't be afraid of his own potential. Stephano wasn't afraid to win so he did just that.
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BO1 are cointosses in this "game" we call SC2.
So much shit that can go wrong/get lucky/whatever so no value should be put about who wins and who loses.
SC2 is just too random. Just ask yourself if these foreigner wins would ever happen in BW? lol.
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On September 30 2017 14:26 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Whether or not there is intended deception in the title, would it be too much to ask for a better-phrased title given the amount of confusion it generates? Mods?
call for censorship? whatever man.
confusion? intended deception? the first nine characters in the title are "[Opinion]". lots of people have incorrect opinions that involve zero deception. they're just wrong.
i think freedom of expression over rides any "confusion" people have. In fact, English isn't even the first language for many of us.
maybe Shoutcraft's format is intended to produce volatile results to get people talking... which includes this discussion..if so, its a huge win for TotalBiscuit. His genius stealth marketing tactics proved successful
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On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted.
This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc.
it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about.
title is completely misleading..
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On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading..
You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument.
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On September 30 2017 17:52 Olli wrote:
Here's something that has nothing to do with the title: I think the gap really is closing. Remember, we're talking about a game where the best ever foreigners at BlizzCon were eliminated in the first round before region lock was introduced. Neeb has definitely closed the gap, but MajOr casually took two games of GSL and SSL champion Stats in a Korean tournament, Showtime took two off soO. Nerchio has done very well in SHOUTcraft (and I don't agree that that means nothing when it's continued games against top opposition). Foreigners are doing alright against Koreans in online competition constantly.
It'd be foolish to argue that foreigners are as good as Koreans now, but considering where we came from I think the skill level in the foreign scene has definitely gone up, while Korea is slowly suffering the consequences of the Kespa structure breakdown, with a lot of minds and players on ladder simply not being there anymore. So I'd argue that the gap is indeed closing, even beyond Neeb who I personally consider as good as any Korean Protoss.
So... the wool has not been pulled over our eyes? You disagree with the article?
Me too
Ryan
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On September 30 2017 23:34 OPL3SA2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 17:52 Olli wrote:
Here's something that has nothing to do with the title: I think the gap really is closing. Remember, we're talking about a game where the best ever foreigners at BlizzCon were eliminated in the first round before region lock was introduced. Neeb has definitely closed the gap, but MajOr casually took two games of GSL and SSL champion Stats in a Korean tournament, Showtime took two off soO. Nerchio has done very well in SHOUTcraft (and I don't agree that that means nothing when it's continued games against top opposition). Foreigners are doing alright against Koreans in online competition constantly.
It'd be foolish to argue that foreigners are as good as Koreans now, but considering where we came from I think the skill level in the foreign scene has definitely gone up, while Korea is slowly suffering the consequences of the Kespa structure breakdown, with a lot of minds and players on ladder simply not being there anymore. So I'd argue that the gap is indeed closing, even beyond Neeb who I personally consider as good as any Korean Protoss. So... the wool has not been pulled over our eyes? You disagree with the article? Me too Ryan
I do disagree with it. But hey, it's an opinion piece.
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On September 30 2017 23:30 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading.. You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument.
"You misinterpreting the title" lmao are you actually serious dude?
It's not a misinterpretation. "pulling the wool over sb's eyes" has always had a negative connotation and a meaning of intentional deception. This is how it's always been used, you can't just retroactively pretend that's not true and deny however many years of history the phrase has had. (over 150 years according to this source btw, I checked)
And why are you so incredibly defensive anyway? Is it really that hard to admit that maybe the writer (who is not even you, I'm not sure if you've noticed) might have made a slip-up or tried to spice up his title to get people interested?
You keep shouting that it's an opinion piece as if people criticize the content when in fact we only criticize the stupid title which implies that SHOUTCraft has done something negative or deceitful. A claim which of course is not present in the piece itself, because that would be untrue.
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On September 30 2017 22:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 14:26 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Whether or not there is intended deception in the title, would it be too much to ask for a better-phrased title given the amount of confusion it generates? Mods? call for censorship? whatever man. confusion? intended deception? the first nine characters in the title are "[Opinion]". lots of people have incorrect opinions that involve zero deception. they're just wrong. i think freedom of expression over rides any "confusion" people have. In fact, English isn't even the first language for many of us. maybe Shoutcraft's format is intended to produce volatile results to get people talking... which includes this discussion..if so, its a huge win for TotalBiscuit. His genius stealth marketing tactics proved successful
strawman? you don't even understand what everyone here is commenting on.
You are a coward and a liar who's been humiliated many times over in the NBA threads. just stop.
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The gap used to be about not beating duckdeok and Pigbaby. Now it's about beating Innovation and Stats. Probably a sign that there's some truth to skill level of regions getting closer.
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On October 01 2017 00:09 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 23:30 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading.. You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument. "You misinterpreting the title" lmao are you actually serious dude? It's not a misinterpretation. "pulling the wool over sb's eyes" has always had a negative connotation and a meaning of intentional deception. This is how it's always been used, you can't just retroactively pretend that's not true and deny however many years of history the phrase has had. ( over 150 years according to this source btw, I checked) And why are you so incredibly defensive anyway? Is it really that hard to admit that maybe the writer (who is not even you, I'm not sure if you've noticed) might have made a slip-up or tried to spice up his title to get people interested? You keep shouting that it's an opinion piece as if people criticize the content when in fact we only criticize the stupid title which implies that SHOUTCraft has done something negative or deceitful. A claim which of course is not present in the piece itself, because that would be untrue.
Clickbait implies the intent to mislead people into clicking an article, which is definitely not what happened here. That's why I'm arguing. The title may have been better picked, but I personally see nothing wrong with it. It's a bit on the provocative side, but by no means clickbait.
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On September 30 2017 22:42 DwD wrote:
BO1 are cointosses in this "game" we call SC2.
So much shit that can go wrong/get lucky/whatever so no value should be put about who wins and who loses.
SC2 is just too random. Just ask yourself if these foreigner wins would ever happen in BW? lol.
So many people say this, but it's honestly just ignorant. Any bo3/5/7 that goes to the final map is essentially decided by a bo1. If you give no value to someone winning a bo1, then someone winning a bo5 3-2 shouldn't be given higher value than the opponent they beat.
A good example is Innovation's recent GSL win had him going to the final map of almost every series he played, they were all decided by one map. Should he not have value put on him for winning those?
Of course an isolated bo1 doesn't say much, even the best players in the world might only have a 70% winrate. The lower the "best of", the greater the chance that the worse player will win. But when you have players consistantly performing well over many seperate bo1's, it's obvious that they are a player of high value.
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Ehhhh.... This feels too political. Let's not have these kinds of articles.
I even agree with it, but this is sort of silly and don't think it belongs in TL forums.
@Above poster:
Map selection matters a lot in this, too.
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On October 01 2017 00:59 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 00:09 207aicila wrote:On September 30 2017 23:30 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading.. You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument. "You misinterpreting the title" lmao are you actually serious dude? It's not a misinterpretation. "pulling the wool over sb's eyes" has always had a negative connotation and a meaning of intentional deception. This is how it's always been used, you can't just retroactively pretend that's not true and deny however many years of history the phrase has had. ( over 150 years according to this source btw, I checked) And why are you so incredibly defensive anyway? Is it really that hard to admit that maybe the writer (who is not even you, I'm not sure if you've noticed) might have made a slip-up or tried to spice up his title to get people interested? You keep shouting that it's an opinion piece as if people criticize the content when in fact we only criticize the stupid title which implies that SHOUTCraft has done something negative or deceitful. A claim which of course is not present in the piece itself, because that would be untrue. Clickbait implies the intent to mislead people into clicking an article, which is definitely not what happened here.
This is exactly what happened here. I opened the article because I was interested in reading about how SHOUTcraft has been deliberatly decieving us. I was misled, as this article isn't at all about any intentional deception. If the title would have properly covered the contents of the article, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it.
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On October 01 2017 01:36 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 00:59 Olli wrote:On October 01 2017 00:09 207aicila wrote:On September 30 2017 23:30 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading.. You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument. "You misinterpreting the title" lmao are you actually serious dude? It's not a misinterpretation. "pulling the wool over sb's eyes" has always had a negative connotation and a meaning of intentional deception. This is how it's always been used, you can't just retroactively pretend that's not true and deny however many years of history the phrase has had. ( over 150 years according to this source btw, I checked) And why are you so incredibly defensive anyway? Is it really that hard to admit that maybe the writer (who is not even you, I'm not sure if you've noticed) might have made a slip-up or tried to spice up his title to get people interested? You keep shouting that it's an opinion piece as if people criticize the content when in fact we only criticize the stupid title which implies that SHOUTCraft has done something negative or deceitful. A claim which of course is not present in the piece itself, because that would be untrue. Clickbait implies the intent to mislead people into clicking an article, which is definitely not what happened here. This is exactly what happened here. I opened the article because I was interested in reading about how SHOUTcraft has been deliberatly decieving us. I was misled, as this article isn't at all about any intentional deception. If the title would have properly covered the contents of the article, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it.
You're accusing the writer of intentionally deceiving you. That's not what happened.
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On October 01 2017 01:36 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 00:59 Olli wrote:On October 01 2017 00:09 207aicila wrote:On September 30 2017 23:30 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 23:17 killerm12 wrote:On September 30 2017 13:46 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 13:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 12:53 Olli wrote:On September 30 2017 12:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:On September 30 2017 04:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Wow I had no idea Koreans were still better thanks for writing an article to remind me. LOL. And that clickbaity title too. TL needs some content quality editor or something You're welcome to apply. This is an opinion piece and as such the writer is welcome to express their opinion and choose the title they feel most suits their article. This is an honest question, but do you have standards, at least with titles, for opinion articles? Or is it anything goes since "people are entitled to their own opinion." Another question, don't you at the very least find the title disingenuous? This is the very first of these opinion pieces we have released, but I'll tell you right now that the title is the author's responsibility with these as long as it isn't completely awful. It's clearly tagged as their opinion, and the choice of title is included. This title is not at all clickbaity, and I wouldn't have actual clickbait titles ("you won't BELIEVE what..."). My personal opinon on the matter: If you think this is clickbait, you have no idea what that term actually means. So yes, we have standards. And no, I think the title reflects the content enough to be warranted. This is definitely clickbait title - you can try and claim otherwise, calling others whatever you like "not knowing what it means" etc. it is pure clickbait - after reading that my first thought was there is something shady happening with Shoutcraft/Blizzard but that is not AT ALL what actual "opinion" is about. title is completely misleading.. You misinterpreting the title doesn't make it click bait. And that's your only argument. "You misinterpreting the title" lmao are you actually serious dude? It's not a misinterpretation. "pulling the wool over sb's eyes" has always had a negative connotation and a meaning of intentional deception. This is how it's always been used, you can't just retroactively pretend that's not true and deny however many years of history the phrase has had. ( over 150 years according to this source btw, I checked) And why are you so incredibly defensive anyway? Is it really that hard to admit that maybe the writer (who is not even you, I'm not sure if you've noticed) might have made a slip-up or tried to spice up his title to get people interested? You keep shouting that it's an opinion piece as if people criticize the content when in fact we only criticize the stupid title which implies that SHOUTCraft has done something negative or deceitful. A claim which of course is not present in the piece itself, because that would be untrue. Clickbait implies the intent to mislead people into clicking an article, which is definitely not what happened here. This is exactly what happened here. I opened the article because I was interested in reading about how SHOUTcraft has been deliberatly decieving us. I was misled, as this article isn't at all about any intentional deception. If the title would have properly covered the contents of the article, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it.
SHOUTcraft has deceived us. But it's been the results, not the organizers that were responsible for the deception. If one operates under the assumption that the tournament, and, by extension the games that occurred within it, and those involved with organizing the event are separate entities, I think it's very easy to come to the conclusion that SHOUTcraft (the tournament in which foreigners beat high level Koreans, giving credence to a growing sentiment that Foreigners were closer in quality to Koreans that ever before) generated misinformation that added a lot of fuel to a fire that shouldn't have even existed. This is my opinion, which is why the article is labeled as such.
Do I think the title is clickbait? No. I think it is an accurate representation of an article that tries to look at past events with objectivity many did not possess at the point in time in which these results occurred, while debunking what was a very popular position at the time, one many people still hold today.
Lastly, the following is written in the front page image: "Mizenhauer argues his opinion that SHOUTcraft paints a false picture of the skill gap between foreigners and Korean closing". I don't know how you can say the article is click bait when an accurate description of the content is available before you even read it.
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The article takes more of a dramatic angle on the issue. I would've liked to have seen at least a little bit of analysis on why SHOUTcraft gets different results. If it's from the Koreans playing worse, then actually showing that would've been really cool, like a gfy of an uncharacteristic mistake by a Korean that decided a game. And then it'd be interesting to read speculation on why the Koreans couldn't bring their best play to SHOUTcraft. Or if it's foreigners playing better, show that with an in-game example and speculate why they make mistakes ("going full foreigner") in the bigger tournaments.
Of course, that'd be a much bigger project. But I think when you're going to opine on a controversial issue, it's most compelling when you've got good evidence. Complaints about the exact meaning of the phrase used in the title aside, I feel like every other complaint would be silenced by this extra work. Anyone thinking your conclusion/observation was obvious would still be interested in seeing the details.
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On October 01 2017 02:20 NonY wrote:
The article takes more of a dramatic angle on the issue. I would've liked to have seen at least a little bit of analysis on why SHOUTcraft gets different results. If it's from the Koreans playing worse, then actually showing that would've been really cool, like a gfy of an uncharacteristic mistake by a Korean that decided a game. And then it'd be interesting to read speculation on why the Koreans couldn't bring their best play to SHOUTcraft. Or if it's foreigners playing better, show that with an in-game example and speculate why they make mistakes ("going full foreigner") in the bigger tournaments.
Of course, that'd be a much bigger project. But I think when you're going to opine on a controversial issue, it's most compelling when you've got good evidence. Complaints about the exact meaning of the phrase used in the title aside, I feel like every other complaint would be silenced by this extra work. Anyone thinking your conclusion/observation was obvious would still be interested in seeing the details.
Its usually in the middle of the night for koreans
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On October 01 2017 02:45 Heyjoray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 02:20 NonY wrote:
The article takes more of a dramatic angle on the issue. I would've liked to have seen at least a little bit of analysis on why SHOUTcraft gets different results. If it's from the Koreans playing worse, then actually showing that would've been really cool, like a gfy of an uncharacteristic mistake by a Korean that decided a game. And then it'd be interesting to read speculation on why the Koreans couldn't bring their best play to SHOUTcraft. Or if it's foreigners playing better, show that with an in-game example and speculate why they make mistakes ("going full foreigner") in the bigger tournaments.
Of course, that'd be a much bigger project. But I think when you're going to opine on a controversial issue, it's most compelling when you've got good evidence. Complaints about the exact meaning of the phrase used in the title aside, I feel like every other complaint would be silenced by this extra work. Anyone thinking your conclusion/observation was obvious would still be interested in seeing the details. Its usually in the middle of the night for koreans
That's exactly what I was just talking about... That's what I meant about observing whether the Koreans are playing worse in SHOUTcraft and speculating why they're playing worse.
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