EPT2017 GSL Season 3 Qualifiers - Page 36
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
HGC=100K/team whatever happens When HoTS was way more "dead" than SC2. Use warchest money for something like that would be much more relevant | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote: Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started. Do you have any data about what you are saying? However Blizz probably has some sort of manager who studies these trends and does his best for the future of the game ...at least this is what I hope. | ||
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Boggyb
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 25 2017 23:28 Boggyb wrote: If we see a huge wave of retirements over the next few months in Korea, a legitimate argument could be made that GSL should drop from 32 players to 16. RO16 is so stacked, so ro16 qualifiercould eliminate many good players if the format is so fickle, which is bad | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote: Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started. Age of the game has much more effect on the viewership numbers than region lock ever could. And it seems so damn ungrateful to complain and whine about prize money amounts when they aren't even obligated to support SC2 in the first place. A long time ago Blizzard didn't even have anything to do with the esports scene monetarily and it was all on the individual tournaments like Dreamhack and IEM to put forth all the effort on that side. That Blizzard's putting anything in is probably the only reason we still have tournaments. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
OTOH the fact that Neeb failed to qualify to Ro32 due to his PvP is... hilarious as well? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 25 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote: All you said is true, but it's unfair when Dreamhacks are region locked and GSLs are not. If GSL is a competetion and nobody should be upset about stronger foreigners taking the spots of weaker Koreans, than it should be okay for Koreans to take the spots of weaker foreigners in the WCS circuit. Either open up everything to everybody (much prefered solution) or protect both regions with region lock. But the other way around would be unfair too. The reason so few foreigners are participating in the GSL is because it requires a commitment of time, money, and effort, whereas if you removed the region lock, it would require very little effort for a top Korean to participate in a few weekend tournaments. Additionally, the loser of all this, the low-tier Korean gets nothing from removing the region lock--all it means is that the scene becomes even more top heavy. Trying to make the system 'fair' is meaningless. There's too many variables, too many different conditions. Trying to make the system 'better', i.e more likely to increase the health and longevity of the scene with considerations for the players and the viewers, is worth discussing, but first you have to toss out the ephemeral goal of achieving 'fairness'. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
Enjoy your NesTea award Rogue! | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On June 26 2017 00:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: But the other way around would be unfair too. The reason so few foreigners are participating in the GSL is because it requires a commitment of time, money, and effort, whereas if you removed the region lock, it would require very little effort for a top Korean to participate in a few weekend tournaments. Additionally, the loser of all this, the low-tier Korean gets nothing from removing the region lock--all it means is that the scene becomes even more top heavy. And the problem with having no region lock was that it was never the lower level Koreans winning the tournament (except maybe Impact). It was the top level Koreans stomping all the foreigners and taking top prize. So having no region lock would only serve to help the top Koreans. Cause as we see here, the foreigners are more than enough to beat lower level Koreans (and this is without including Showtime or Nerchio or Serral). And while the GSL may not be "technically" region locked, you generally have to live in Korea to compete in that season of the GSL, which functionally makes it region locked. If the Koreans want to live in the respective WCS region for the duration needed for WCS, then I have no problem with them competing in WCS (I realize the process is harder with the visa requirement) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On June 25 2017 23:27 raff100 wrote: Do you have any data about what you are saying? However Blizz probably has some sort of manager who studies these trends and does his best for the future of the game ...at least this is what I hope. I don't think the region-lock is the reason why viewer numbers are in the toilet. But it's just as stupid to say that foreigners make the game alive, there's absolutely zero evidence for that. Viewership-numbers don't support that claim at all. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On June 26 2017 01:04 FrkFrJss wrote: And the problem with having no region lock was that it was never the lower level Koreans winning the tournament (except maybe Impact). It was the top level Koreans stomping all the foreigners and taking top prize. So having no region lock would only serve to help the top Koreans. Cause as we see here, the foreigners are more than enough to beat lower level Koreans (and this is without including Showtime or Nerchio or Serral). jjakji, San, Stardust, Golden, Pigbaby, Patience, TLHerO could all be defined as lower-level koreans. | ||
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Vetch
China3 Posts
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raff100
498 Posts
On June 26 2017 01:13 Charoisaur wrote: I don't think the region-lock is the reason why viewer numbers are in the toilet. But it's just as stupid to say that foreigners make the game alive, there's absolutely zero evidence for that. Viewership-numbers don't support that claim at all. Foreigners make the game alive cause Korean drop it years ago | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Dark twice. Meanwhile Time and Scarlett get a group with a failed overwatch player and a Zest who probably doesn't know what race he plays anymore. On June 25 2017 19:22 showstealer1829 wrote: I think the more apt question is "How could Impact lose twice to NoRegreT yet 2-0 Drogo?" Because NoRegreT is a cheeselord and Impact didn't know beforehand (I assume). Whatever group he's in he will 0-4 without much doubt | ||
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lechatnoir
391 Posts
Foreigners are so needed. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 26 2017 02:05 lechatnoir wrote: Thing is.. compare how many people showed upto the Open bracket at DH Austin, then Jonköping and how many tried to qualify for GSL. Foreigners are so needed. I mean, technically Jonkoping is one of the first times on my memory when most of open bracket groups were not populated. I was in stasis since 2015, of course, but nonetheless. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote: So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. | ||
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