EPTKorea still has the best, but the foreign world has all the rest. Once the current top-tiers retire/join the army (a few more years at most), SC2 will be officially dead in Korea.
Good thing they have SC Remastered I guess.
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Korea still has the best, but the foreign world has all the rest. Once the current top-tiers retire/join the army (a few more years at most), SC2 will be officially dead in Korea. Good thing they have SC Remastered I guess. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On June 26 2017 08:40 Kafka777 wrote: In terms of skill, Sc is in the highest level ever. For obvious reasons. Foreign scene has improved. The Foreign Scene hasn't improved since 2011. It just looks better because Blizzard and the people who supported the region lock succeeded in killing the Korean scene. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 26 2017 08:26 lolfail9001 wrote: From my perspective it looks like Korea has fell down close to WCS level. Hell, from such perspective, even 2011/2012 Terran resurgence does not look weird in the slightest. Ye we saw it at wesg and Katowice, 2-0 3-0 = close | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 26 2017 12:51 DieuCure wrote: Ye we saw it at wesg and Katowice, 2-0 3-0 = close Fairly certain that my definition of "close" was clear in context. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 26 2017 10:59 Alarak89 wrote: BTW all Koreans give up to participate in Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games, right? KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On June 26 2017 16:28 Inflicted wrote: KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore I thought at least Jin Air is still under control. We will see what is going on when East Asia qualifier occurs (although the exact date is unknown). | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy831 Posts
On June 26 2017 05:30 Solar424 wrote: The Koreans playing in WCS had basically no restrictions That was in 2013, in 2014 there was aready a residency restriction (basically the same as for GSL). But that doesn't matter anymore anyway, since all WCS tournaments now are weekend only tornaments, not months-long championships like the 2013-2015 WCS. On June 26 2017 07:29 ilikeredheads wrote: Exactly. The whiners' defense have no logic and they still have the "foreigners are bad!!" mentality. It's the Global Starcraft League, not Korean Starcraft Leauge. Well one could say, it is the WORLD Championship Series, not the Foreigner Championship Series ;P | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame. | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
On June 26 2017 16:28 Inflicted wrote: KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore That's a shame really | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote: It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL. There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame. so nobody`s wonder when the same things goes over the years of the NA and EU scene when bunch of foreign players stuck with the whole bracket full of korean players but when players like NoRegret taking spot of the GSL cause korean semi-pro isn`t good enough to beat him and everybody goes crazy... | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 26 2017 21:04 Mike L wrote: so nobody`s wonder when the same things goes over the years of the NA and EU scene when bunch of foreign players stuck with the whole bracket full of korean players but when players like NoRegret taking spot of the GSL cause korean semi-pro isn`t good enough to beat him and everybody goes crazy... Because the game isnt as healthy as before. | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
no. both situation is very similar but people stuck with the stereotypes that korean players MUST be better than most foreign players and when situation changes then they`re start finding a reason to blame | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
We blame the fact that KR scene is bleeding, only new blood ( like Nightmare ) can fix the thing, but foreigners grab their spots. It's not really the same situation, because of them we are stuck with this top 16 ( yes because seems like foreigners dont know how to improve so they are nowhere near of the top 16 ( Except in ZvZ maybe ) ) until the end of time. And it's not because foreigners situation was bad back in the days that new kr players have to undergo the same punishment. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On June 26 2017 22:57 DieuCure wrote: It's not really the same situation, because of them we are stuck with this top 16 ( yes because seems like foreigners dont know how to improve so they are nowhere near of the top 16 ( Except in ZvZ maybe ) ) until the end of time. you say foreigners will stuck forever in the Ro.32 because they can not improve? Are you trolling? What is your evidence? | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
On June 26 2017 23:56 DieuCure wrote: Scarlett is in korea since one year or more and she cant even beat Elazer who was a student 1.5 month ago. are Elazer is amateur or something? he is also the professional SC player who also went to Korea for improving skills and tried to do best amongst the best SC players in the world. if she couldn`t beat him in one best-of-five series it doesn`t mean she couldn`t beat him in another | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote: It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL. There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame. You're complaining about a problem that MIGHT exist but in reality doesn't. Of the 8 amateurs that were present (Junseob, Junbo, TREVI, Eagle, Nightmare, Rookie, Prince, HHs) TREVI, Prince, and Rookie were the only ones that lost to foreigners. Prince being the only one who actually stood a chance of qualifying as he was able to win at least 2 rounds. TREVI couldn't beat Jim, he isn't beating Byul, Forte or Dear. Rookie lost to TIME, he wasn't beating Zest. Its not the fault of foreigners that amateurs didn't make it, its the lack of amateurs fault for amateurs not being present. There were 51 Koreans there competing for 28 spots, and 8 of those players were amateurs. This also assumes that all 8 players are actually aspiring pros and not just random players good at starcraft who want to dick around in qualifiers because they live there and its free | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On June 27 2017 01:42 opisska wrote: Comparing foreigners in GSL with Koreans in the foreignland is simply absurd. I am not a fan of the region lock at all, but even I can see how the situation of the foreign players was desperate back then when both the WCS long-time leagues and all big weekend tournaments were completely dominated by Koreans to the point that almost no foreigners reached even Ro8s of those. This has lead to the region lock, which I think was implemented really poorly (by being based on residency and visas, which are stupid bearoucratic concepts), but which turned out to be at least quite efficient in keeping the foreign scene alive. The current state in Korea is nowhere like it - you are all free to start bitching when the foreigners start winning the GSL left and right (and that would be probably also the time to remove the region lock from the WCS, unless Blizzard is really stupid), but that is just not happening. Maybe it's not the exact same situation but the damage it does to the scene is very very similar. | ||
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