Adept Discussion - Page 6

On April 11 2017 22:18 sh1RoKen wrote:

1. Because if you spend 600 minerals on warpprisms you will lose horribly in a direct fight. They have 0% fight scaling. Medevacs have 100% scaling (if amount of battle units => the amount of medevacs which is true in 99% of all battles).

2. Because the only power of warprism is in the warp from warpgates. You basically trade all units you warp -4 units you are able to pick up for anything you can kill with this amount of units which might result in extremely negative value if you warp 8 zealots and lose them all for exchange of 3 scvs. Even if you have 3 warprisms (which is bad because of the previous point) you can still warp only 8 units if you have 8 warpgates.

However you can always not drop from medevacs if the protoss is ready and only drop when you are able to receive a positive value with your drop (because you can kill 3 probes, pickup all units and lose nothing). So you basically never have negative value with terran drops unless you are playing against phoenixes who are able to intercept your medevacs, but it was never an imbalanced problem in TvZ agains mutas.

3. So if you just use warprisms as a shuttles without concentrating all your harass potential in 1 spot, you face the reality where you can't do any damage at all with gateway units in amount of 4 compared to what you can kill with 2 marauders + 4 marines.

On April 11 2017 23:19 KOtical wrote:


still i have seen pro games were they used 2 warp prisms to drop at multiple locations and it worked. Zest herO and others have done that already. the third one is kinda silly because u harras 2 locations while attack the front with the rest of your army... pros have already done that and proved its a viable option.... its not a tactic wich works in every game but it still works... if u kill 3 scvs with 8 zealots on 2 different locations i think ur micro is messed up pretty hard...

On April 10 2017 23:50 stevenhanst wrote:


Hes cherry picking?

I dont drop Adepts,-at l have rarely seen it- you have them do their shenangians at the forward bases and throw either a cheaper unit like zealots at their main meaning you can put pressure on up to three bases at once with only two groups of units.

The prism holds only 4 units but it can warp in more unless you forgot somehow. At full speed IIRC, then again I only cheese when I play toss So i dont have such a good knowledge of their units.

Overlord dropping is dangerous, considering not only does it only hold 4 units but it turns your drop into a supply block waiting to happen.

Medivacs require a bit of tech and cost a fair amount of gas, whereas a Warp Prism costs 0 gas IIRC.

Problem isnt that its unbalanced the problem is that it requires so much focus to minimize the damage caused by an adept harass, The Cooldown of shade is pretty damn short, the units are fairly tanky and most of all trade INSANELY with with equivalent tech, 1 Adept with no upgrades trades with 3 marines with no upgrades more often then not surviving with 4 health. If you shade on top the Adept can like with anywhere from 15-20 health.

So if 4 adepts without upgrades can kill 8 marines WITH STIM, what is terran supposed to do? Just have more stuff? How does Terran trade with something like that?

And Protoss doesnt even need to trade, he can shade away or not the world is his oyster. He can shade in harass or walk up harass and shade out, or Shade in and just cancel. On top of that he can just throw 20 adepts at a terran army and they will absolutely get their weight.

Why can 20 adepts with upgrades shade on top of a Terran army with Maruaders Marines and Medivacs or equal value and upgrades and the terran army gets absolutely annihilated? Tanks are practically useless and even detrimental in this situation.

I am not saying they are out and out broken but the more diverse army should win right?

Why is the unit that only requires a CyberCore and a twilight council beating a massively diverse army single handedly?

Wow I guess this did kind of devolve into "Adepts are OP" but its more with how they fit into the game I feel.If terran had a unit that could trade better or they(Adepts) lost effectiveness into the mid game, I dont think they would be nearly as frustrating

On April 11 2017 22:59 Moonsalt wrote:
I hate how the adept completely removes a core protoss unit in the game which is the Zealot. Why make a melee unit to charge right in the face of your opponent's army, when you can teleport right on top of it and do even more damage? Also the best harassment unit in the game... attacking 2 places at once; early game, mid game, late game it ain't matter. RIP Zealot we miss you dearly :'(

On April 11 2017 23:19 KOtical wrote:


still i have seen pro games were they used 2 warp prisms to drop at multiple locations and it worked. Zest herO and others have done that already. the third one is kinda silly because u harras 2 locations while attack the front with the rest of your army... pros have already done that and proved its a viable option.... its not a tactic which works in every game but it still works... if u kill 3 scvs with 8 zealots on 2 different locations i think ur micro is messed up pretty hard...

On April 12 2017 01:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
You still argue balance? You still fail to realize that people cry about it not because of balance but because of design, how it affects the gameplay and how it actually looks in game.
That was always the problem with protoss. Nobody enjoyed watching dozens of forcefields even if it technically was balanced.
Nobody enjoyed big colossi deathballs even if it was technically balanced.
Nobody enjoyes adeps shading on top of your army even if it is probably balanced. It's design and aesthetics. People never seem to get that.

On April 12 2017 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am not saying that there aren't other things which can be frustrating. But with protoss it's all about that pretty much.
Your examples are also more about awareness, i am talking about actual typical unit interactions.
It doesn't matter if you watch it or not, when lots of adepts shade on your army or threaten one mineral line just to cancel it you simply have a problem which seems unfair.
Same with forcefields back in the day.

Also i have to stress this, it's a lot about aesthetics as well. A well microed mmm army simply looks good. It might be more unbalanced than anything ever but the big colossi deathball is still unpleasing to look at when it interacts with other units. It's a big part of enjoyment