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"Thank You Everyone!" David Kim leaves StarCraft 2 - Page 2

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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 07 2017 19:13 GMT
#21
I think if there was ever a time, it is now! All the best for the future Dayvie!

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
April 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#22
Thanks for all of your hardwork DK! GL for the next project !
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
April 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#23
Wat???
Never thought about this.
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#24
On April 08 2017 04:09 lestye wrote:
I hope they announce who's replacing him. I don't think they even announced who the new director is since Dustin Browder left months ago?

Quick, give me a name I can blame my ladder losses on
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
April 07 2017 19:15 GMT
#25
BW outlasted DK
BW4LIFE
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3392 Posts
April 07 2017 19:20 GMT
#26
gg DK!!
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 07 2017 19:21 GMT
#27
David Kim turned sc2 into the greatest game of all time, it's sad that he leaves but I wish him good luck for whatever he's doing next.
I just hope Blizzard doesn't do any big changes anymore I can't see that turning out well without David Kim leading..
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 07 2017 19:21 GMT
#28
On April 08 2017 04:13 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Never forget David Kim's leaked gmail inbox

[image loading]


i forgot how good this was xD

Such a great image, so many small jokes condensed into one picture.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 19:24:01
April 07 2017 19:22 GMT
#29
I interviewed David Kim about SCII at BlizzCon 2015. He asked me if it was fine to check his phone every now and then because he didn't want to miss Classic vs Life. I said sure, I wanted to know what was going on too.

Sometime during the interview I asked him about the score. He said: "1-0 for Life. Well, 1-1 now."
"What happened?"
"Life made roaches."
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
April 07 2017 19:22 GMT
#30

who we gonna call now BibleThump

User was warned for this post
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 07 2017 19:23 GMT
#31
Good luck to him! I lost interest in SCII ages ago so can't say much else at this point. WC4 incoming? :D

On April 08 2017 04:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Never forget David Kim's leaked gmail inbox

[image loading]

haha not sure how I missed this the first time around, really good too!

Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
akaLtDan
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany62 Posts
April 07 2017 19:29 GMT
#32
Thanks and good luck!
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
April 07 2017 19:30 GMT
#33
All the best to you !
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
April 07 2017 19:35 GMT
#34
Only good can come from this.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
April 07 2017 19:35 GMT
#35
Dayvie is actually a great guy but he had the least enviable job in all of gaming. Striking a balance between even win rates, map variation, unit strength, economy, micro, macro, casual and pro player expectations is completely impossible.

When WoL launched, players complained that the game was too easy and lacked depth. Now with HotS and LotV, even pro players complain that the game is too hard and micro is too complicated. The guy can't win.

I'm sure I would have made many of the same decisions regarding game direction over the years. Players think the game is too easy? Give them more buttons to push. Increase the pacing to get them making harder decisions faster. Create new units that are more complex and nuanced. But that's how you end up with things like economic harassment getting out of control, reducing build variation, and so on. There are consequences for everything. It's a conundrum.

Ironically one of the biggest complications (and this is the same thing I would do too) was heavy reliance on in-a-vacuum unit cost efficiency combat tests. 4 tanks vs 8 hydras. 12 zealots vs 24 zerglings. Dayvie ran tests like this extensively and used them to fill gaps in race balance. The community did, too! But it brought a lot of "science" to an "art". Of course he still played the game a ton and watched all the pro games, so it's not like he was lacking context, I just can't think of a better method to balance that's not just "guessing".

Best of luck in his new role. Clearly a meticulous man who will be an asset to any project.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
April 07 2017 19:40 GMT
#36
David Kim became a symbol for every problem anyone had with SC II. No matter what he did, there would be public hate towards it. Sure not every of his (or his teams) decisions were perfect, but the amount of shit he got was insane.

Hope he has now a better position, a position where you are not getting hated for anything you do.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
April 07 2017 19:40 GMT
#37
It's like a parent letting his kid to move away for college.

Thanks, David Kim!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 07 2017 19:43 GMT
#38
Wonder what he's working on, maybe they have some other unannounced project besides the rumored first-person Diablo game.

When WoL launched, players complained that the game was too easy and lacked depth. Now with HotS and LotV, even pro players complain that the game is too hard and micro is too complicated. The guy can't win.


IIRC WoL had a lot more of Browder's influence, and Browder seems to prefer more simple games as we see with Heroes. David Kim comes from a competitive RTS background and we can see the results in HotS and LotV. Whatever he works on next will probably have an esports element as well.
gneGne
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands697 Posts
April 07 2017 19:48 GMT
#39
Thanks David Kim. I don't agree with your design philosophy, but I can't deny that you know how to get 50% win rates across the boards. That is an achievement in itself. Goodbye DK!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44334 Posts
April 07 2017 19:51 GMT
#40
Gonna miss DK gl hf!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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