EPTOn February 02 2017 23:00 DBooN wrote:
ryung had the choice between soO, inno or maru
. And TY just finished the job by swapping Ryung and InnoVation. ryung had the choice between soO, inno or maru
Yeah I think he feared the two terran monsters. But soO would'have eat him anyway.
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Yeah I think he feared the two terran monsters. But soO would'have eat him anyway. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On February 01 2017 22:50 Koektrommel wrote: TY ~ INnoVation ByuL ~ Dark Stats ~ Classic aLive ~ soO Group A doesn't seem that much worse than B actually. Except Group B is sadly all ex-SKT | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
Also Group B seems to be soO's I'll never win a gsl group | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 03 2017 04:14 Alucen-Will- wrote: Has PartinG retired (from above)? Certainly seems like 2016 was a non-thing for him. Also Group B seems to be soO's I'll never win a gsl group More or less. I see him streaming League on twitch every now and then to like 7 people. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On February 01 2017 22:50 Koektrommel wrote: TY ~ INnoVation ByuL ~ Dark Stats ~ Classic aLive ~ soO Group A doesn't seem that much worse than B actually. Byul is nowhere near Dark who just had an amazing 2016 year whereas Byul couldn't made a single top 8. Sure they both made top 4 at IEM but Dark beat Byun and lost 2-3 to Inno when Byul went 3-3 against classic and beat soO. Byul is much closer to soO than to Dark. Did you see alive group ? Sure he qualified, but he looked so weak. He is nothing to soO and to the group. Group A is strong but there is two clear favourite TY and Stats and Byul could possibly upset one of them alive is 99% dead if he doesn't show more than last time. Groupe B is madness it could very well have been the top 4. Sure Dark and Inno are miles ahead but they could lose to Classic and Dark and it would not be that surprising | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On February 03 2017 05:08 Philozovic wrote: Did you see alive group ? Did you see who he beat in the IEM qualifiers? | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On February 03 2017 05:09 Elentos wrote: Did you see who he beat in the IEM qualifiers? Amazing lower bracket run don't get me wrong but that is one good online day | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 03 2017 05:32 Philozovic wrote: Amazing lower bracket run don't get me wrong but that is one good online day http://aligulac.com/players/106-aLive/results/ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On February 03 2017 05:39 Charoisaur wrote: Unrelated question: Did Dream retire? I don't think he has competed in anything. Lost to Armani in the GSL qualifiers, didn't play in anything since then. Whether he's actually retired or just being lazy I don't know. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
You guys also have to notice it's all best of 3, which means nobody is unbeatable. Even Soo or Classic can 2-0 Innovation or Dark not surprisingly. It's true that upsets can very much happen in a Bo3, much more so than in a Bo5/Bo7. Still, the Koreans believe (rightfully so) that GSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament of them all, and will be preparing for that accordingly. To use INnoVation as an example, he loses to baneling busts/onebase ravagers/assorted cheese/etc, a surprising amount online, far more than you'd expect from a player of his caliber. But in his GSL group, he completely shut down Losira's allin with five bunkers the first game, and some insane splitting stutterstep kiting the second. The pros hold back quite a bit in tournaments they don't think are important, especially with regard to mentality and preparing specifically for their opponent on specific maps. But nobody will hold back at GSL. GSL is the reason they held back at the smaller tournaments. I'm expecting some awesome games from Group B, especially when Dark and Inno go all-out in the winner's match. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 03 2017 05:08 Philozovic wrote: Byul is nowhere near Dark who just had an amazing 2016 year whereas Byul couldn't made a single top 8. Sure they both made top 4 at IEM but Dark beat Byun and lost 2-3 to Inno when Byul went 3-3 against classic and beat soO. Byul is much closer to soO than to Dark. Did you see alive group ? Sure he qualified, but he looked so weak. He is nothing to soO and to the group. Group A is strong but there is two clear favourite TY and Stats and Byul could possibly upset one of them alive is 99% dead if he doesn't show more than last time. Groupe B is madness it could very well have been the top 4. Sure Dark and Inno are miles ahead but they could lose to Classic and Dark and it would not be that surprising Depends how much you value online results. Given the slim pickings of 2017, I think they're one of the few other indicators we have of the current form of players besides gsl. Factoring those in, based on recent results (since patch 3.8) I'd say ByuL, Dark, and soO are not far apart at all. Dark still deserves the title of best Zerg for sure, but he's not ridiculously ahead of the rest of the pack. Frankly, even though he still holds the Zerg throne and was the only one worth a damn in 2016, I still think he's a bit overrated. I could easily see ByuL or soO dethroning him in the future considering they've both had higher peaks in the past (though that was in HotS). I think group A is more of a toss-up than it seems. aLive has been looking legit lately and TY/Stats are not clear favorites at all. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On February 03 2017 06:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I think group A is more of a toss-up than it seems. aLive has been looking legit lately and TY/Stats are not clear favorites at all. If group B wasn't so completely ridiculous group A would have been my group of death for sure. | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
Is that supposed to go against what I said ? Since 22nov and the new patch aLive is 107-108 in games and 42-39 in matches against koreans. soO is 88-66 (and that included him getting trashed by Inno) and 32-20 that is not close. aLive is average and given his recent offline showing I would say at best. On February 03 2017 06:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Depends how much you value online results. Given the slim pickings of 2017, I think they're one of the few other indicators we have of the current form of players besides gsl. Factoring those in, based on recent results (since patch 3.8) I'd say ByuL, Dark, and soO are not far apart at all. Dark still deserves the title of best Zerg for sure, but he's not ridiculously ahead of the rest of the pack. Frankly, even though he still holds the Zerg throne and was the only one worth a damn in 2016, I still think he's a bit overrated. I could easily see ByuL or soO dethroning him in the future considering they've both had higher peaks in the past (though that was in HotS). I think group A is more of a toss-up than it seems. aLive has been looking legit lately and TY/Stats are not clear favorites at all. see above for aLive, Byul is 86-62 in games and 36-18 in matches. sure he won some online cups here and there but noway I'm rating him as highly as Dark who deliver throughout all 2016 without missing a beat. I'm not saying he is bad, I'm just saying he is no Dark. I'm ready to ban bet that aLive won't make it out of his group | ||
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pvsnp
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Factoring those in, based on recent results (since patch 3.8) I'd say ByuL, Dark, and soO are not far apart at all. Dark still deserves the title of best Zerg for sure, but he's not ridiculously ahead of the rest of the pack. Frankly, even though he still holds the Zerg throne and was the only one worth a damn in 2016, I still think he's a bit overrated. I could easily see ByuL or soO dethroning him in the future considering they've both had higher peaks in the past (though that was in HotS). Dark's ZvZ is not so great, yeah, but his ZvT is easily a tier above ByuL and soO. Haven't seen much of his ZvP lately, but Classic complains about how much he gets beat by Dark, and Dark chose Classic in group selection so I'm guessing it's pretty good. All three Zergs have played INnoVation recently (and lost), but Dark was the only one who made every game look competitive. Inno didn't roflstomp soO and ByuL, but their games weren't close either. Whereas with Dark, Inno was winning favorable maps and losing unfavorable ones. Given that, I'd say the gap between Dark and the other top Zergs is still significant. Not nearly as huge as it was in 2016, ofc, but he's not really in danger of losing his throne atm. | ||
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Frakkofff
Russian Federation66 Posts
Group B : DarK; INnoVatioN Group C : herO; Leenock Group D : Maru; KeeN | ||
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United States776 Posts
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France300 Posts
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