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MarineLorD switching to OW after WESG and NW

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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 06:08:03
December 31 2016 23:39 GMT
#1
Hey guys,making this twitlonger to announce that i'll take a step back from sc2 after WESG.As you may know i really don't love playing the game since the start of 2016, i think the game design is really going in the wrong way since the release of lotv, the new major patch confirmed my thought . I'm not going into details but for now i'll try to become an overwatch progamer, i really like the game, I know it's a very hard transition to go from a RTS to a FPS so i can't be sure i'll be succesfull, but i'm taking the risk .

A big shoutout to llewelys and millenium for supporting me since 4 years, letting me play for the best french team even if i had a pathetic start and a very bad first year.
I will obviously play for team france in nation war, and play the wesg tournament in china as i already made my visa and everything was booked (i will represent millenium in those tournament)

Thanks to every fan who supported me during those 3,4 years of progaming even if my result
were very inconsistent.


Source: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spg74e
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 31 2016 23:41 GMT
#2
What happened to Lilbow anyway?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 31 2016 23:47 GMT
#3
On January 01 2017 08:41 Ansibled wrote:
What happened to Lilbow anyway?


He's playing casually, like every pro that ever say they will switch to another game.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
December 31 2016 23:57 GMT
#4
thanks for the games. you are an entertaining player even if you had ups and downs. Last year's NW finals was crazy.

wouallez copain. best of luck.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 23:58:41
December 31 2016 23:57 GMT
#5
As you may know i really don't love playing the game since the start of 2016, i think the game design is really going in the wrong way since the release of lotv, the new major patch confirmed my thought.

Another pro quitting because of Blizzard's incompetence. What a surprise. I swear they don't listen to pro feedback at all, they just do their own thing.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 01 2017 00:09 GMT
#6
On January 01 2017 08:41 Ansibled wrote:
What happened to Lilbow anyway?


Insert "Practicing for Warcraft 4" joke here
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
469 Posts
January 01 2017 00:54 GMT
#7
On January 01 2017 08:57 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
As you may know i really don't love playing the game since the start of 2016, i think the game design is really going in the wrong way since the release of lotv, the new major patch confirmed my thought.

Another pro quitting because of Blizzard's incompetence. What a surprise. I swear they don't listen to pro feedback at all, they just do their own thing.


They read reddit, not a lot of pros post there though.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
January 01 2017 01:08 GMT
#8
I wonder what he's placed in OW right now. I sure hope he's high masters++, else it'll be quite difficult, I think.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 01 2017 01:09 GMT
#9
On January 01 2017 09:54 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2017 08:57 Solar424 wrote:
As you may know i really don't love playing the game since the start of 2016, i think the game design is really going in the wrong way since the release of lotv, the new major patch confirmed my thought.

Another pro quitting because of Blizzard's incompetence. What a surprise. I swear they don't listen to pro feedback at all, they just do their own thing.


They read reddit, not a lot of pros post there though.

Even if they read Reddit they'd realize how terrible they've done with the game for the last 6 years, especially with the new changes. Pretty much everyone there said that they changes were going to be a disaster, which they were.
MiCroLiFe
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway275 Posts
January 01 2017 01:12 GMT
#10
ofc its a terran player ;(

will this stop? no terrans left soon
Im Terran. Yes i will balance whine somethimes. And thats how we terrans survive, Hoping for balance patches<3
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 01:36:28
January 01 2017 01:34 GMT
#11
On January 01 2017 09:54 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2017 08:57 Solar424 wrote:
As you may know i really don't love playing the game since the start of 2016, i think the game design is really going in the wrong way since the release of lotv, the new major patch confirmed my thought.

Another pro quitting because of Blizzard's incompetence. What a surprise. I swear they don't listen to pro feedback at all, they just do their own thing.


They read reddit, not a lot of pros post there though.


They (David kim) actually are in contact with few player, and what i learnt from that is that they are kind of clueless, sadly

For the guy asking I have two acc in GM currently, my main is low gm and my smurf is somewhere into gm
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MilLorD
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany36 Posts
January 01 2017 01:47 GMT
#12
Sad news :-(

But at least people will stop asking me if I'm Marinelord now
billynasty
Profile Joined October 2014
United States260 Posts
January 01 2017 01:49 GMT
#13
seems to me it'd be pretty easy for Blizzard to pick say 5-10 SC2 pro players & have a little conference with them to find out what the players have to say about game design & balance. Talk to Jaedong, talk to Flash, talk to anyone who's anybody in the game & get the ship turned around in the right direction. I know Blizz supposedly had a conference before the launch of LOTV where various personalities attended, but i dont know if theyve ever looked at speaking with 'game czars'. They've admitted they dont play their game that much, perhaps speaking to those who have would be beneficial for everyone.
i dont miss God but i sure miss Santa Claus
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 02:01:05
January 01 2017 02:00 GMT
#14
On January 01 2017 10:47 MilLorD wrote:
Sad news :-(

But at least people will stop asking me if I'm Marinelord now


In due time, I will ask.


In due time.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 01 2017 02:02 GMT
#15
On January 01 2017 10:49 billynasty wrote:
seems to me it'd be pretty easy for Blizzard to pick say 5-10 SC2 pro players & have a little conference with them to find out what the players have to say about game design & balance. Talk to Jaedong, talk to Flash, talk to anyone who's anybody in the game & get the ship turned around in the right direction. I know Blizz supposedly had a conference before the launch of LOTV where various personalities attended, but i dont know if theyve ever looked at speaking with 'game czars'. They've admitted they dont play their game that much, perhaps speaking to those who have would be beneficial for everyone.



Except for when what Flash says is the opposite of what Jaedong says. And that's slightly different than what Scarlett says, but that idea goes well with what sOs said. But those things would contradict what Neeb says.

Sub in names for anyone you feel would belong on this panel and you'll see the problem. Everyone is going to see the game and balance differently, to the point where two people will say the complete opposite things both believing they're true
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
January 01 2017 02:06 GMT
#16
On January 01 2017 11:02 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2017 10:49 billynasty wrote:
seems to me it'd be pretty easy for Blizzard to pick say 5-10 SC2 pro players & have a little conference with them to find out what the players have to say about game design & balance. Talk to Jaedong, talk to Flash, talk to anyone who's anybody in the game & get the ship turned around in the right direction. I know Blizz supposedly had a conference before the launch of LOTV where various personalities attended, but i dont know if theyve ever looked at speaking with 'game czars'. They've admitted they dont play their game that much, perhaps speaking to those who have would be beneficial for everyone.



Except for when what Flash says is the opposite of what Jaedong says. And that's slightly different than what Scarlett says, but that idea goes well with what sOs said. But those things would contradict what Neeb says.

Sub in names for anyone you feel would belong on this panel and you'll see the problem. Everyone is going to see the game and balance differently, to the point where two people will say the complete opposite things both believing they're true


Which is exactly why you need an effective design team that can actually design the game, understands what the game needs, and knows when an idea is good or bad.
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
January 01 2017 02:10 GMT
#17
I wish Blizzard had the cash to hire all the expert game developers that hang around on Team Liquid.


Sucks that he feels like he has to retire, but when you don't enjoy the game you can't really force yourself without some major sadness in your life. Don't really see how transitioning from RTS to FPS is going to work out, though. Seems like skills that won't really swap over.

Has there ever been anyone who's switched game genres and been successful in both?
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
January 01 2017 02:27 GMT
#18
Good luck.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 02:33:48
January 01 2017 02:28 GMT
#19
On January 01 2017 11:10 Rehio wrote:
I wish Blizzard had the cash to hire all the expert game developers that hang around on Team Liquid.


Just cut your sarcasm...

Noone is an expert game developer here, what we are saying is they dont play the game.
We are players, they dont listen to us.
There are many bug fixes and improvements that could be in the game way earlier if they actually played the game and knew what is happening there, like how channels were needed, UI improvements or replay tools are still not really good. The community had to cry a long time to get the resume from replay feature.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 02:29:28
January 01 2017 02:29 GMT
#20
On January 01 2017 11:10 Rehio wrote:

Has there ever been anyone who's switched game genres and been successful in both?


sC and Noblesse switched from SC2 to Heroes and they recently won the Fall Championship. Quite few other strong SC2 koreans players are playing in top korean teams (e.g. MVP Black).
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