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therabit
Profile Joined August 2011
795 Posts
December 09 2016 21:10 GMT
#161
tbh this is better than what I expected. I was expecting 3 GSL and that's it. It's not much but at least we are guarantee for another 2 years of SC2. The schedule announcement for the whole year is good too, this is what they should have done a long time ago. I'll be buying the warchest for sure to support the price pool for players even tho I don't really play anymore
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
December 09 2016 21:17 GMT
#162
You would have thought 100% after the announcement of discontinuation of ProLeague, the Korea and Circuit division would have been removed. So motivating for Korean players. They don't play this game for the money. You know how many disappointing games I saw in Blizzcon qualifiers because Circuit players were going against the most elite in korea? That Blizzcon qualifier game Elaser played on Dasan, that was one of the most embarrassing games I've ever seen. If the top 16 in the world are all Koreans, then that's that. I don't want to see players who wouldn't even qualify for GSL RO32 in the circuit league compete vs those players who consistenly make top 8 GSL. So many low quality games this past year, looks like it will be the same this year
Potassium Gang
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 21:25:28
December 09 2016 21:24 GMT
#163
On December 10 2016 06:17 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
You would have thought 100% after the announcement of discontinuation of ProLeague, the Korea and Circuit division would have been removed. So motivating for Korean players. They don't play this game for the money. You know how many disappointing games I saw in Blizzcon qualifiers because Circuit players were going against the most elite in korea? That Blizzcon qualifier game Elaser played on Dasan, that was one of the most embarrassing games I've ever seen. If the top 16 in the world are all Koreans, then that's that. I don't want to see players who wouldn't even qualify for GSL RO32 in the circuit league compete vs those players who consistenly make top 8 GSL. So many low quality games this past year, looks like it will be the same this year

Yeah, you know, it's about players and giving them opportunities first, not paying them to be monkeys for your entertainment. Keep cherrypicking your arguments too
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
December 09 2016 21:35 GMT
#164
Just read the reactions to the announcement that you posted so far. Here are three I agree with.

On December 10 2016 02:35 opisska wrote:
I get that many people will not like the specifics, but can someone be really disappointed by this? I mean, I was honestly expecting the "no WCS in 2017" news to pop up any time soon, so the very existence of WCS 2017 with actual global finals and a dozen tournaments through they year, is strictly positive news to me and a cause for celebration.


On December 10 2016 02:52 MockHamill wrote:
I think this is great! Starcraft 2 may be declining in viewers but Blizzard still supports the game with both prize money and huge patches.


On December 10 2016 04:33 geokilla wrote:
I don't like the idea of winning a Dreamhack automatically gets you into Blizzcon. Instead of seeding players like that, it should be like before where you are only awarded points.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
I wasbanned fromthis
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
113 Posts
December 09 2016 21:39 GMT
#165
2017 #yearofharstemC o m m u n i t y d r i v e n c o n t e n t.

again another year without even a tip of the hat to the community for all the grassroots driven tournies/cups.



TIME Magazine quote

The road to hell, they say, is paved with good intentions. So too, apparently, is the road to corporate wrongdoing. At least that’s the conclusion to be drawn from a new study that asks what happens when companies (and their CEOs) engage in socially responsible behavior (and posturing). Short answer: Firms that are focused on pursuing a socially responsible agenda are more likely than other businesses to behave in a socially irresponsible ways.

....conclusion: CSR is measurably related to subsequent CSiR. Their rough assessment, in fact, is that for every five CSR actions a firm takes, you can expect it to commit one-act of CSiR. Moreover, the researchers write, there is a secondary connection worth noting between the self-stylings of bosses and their firms subsequent record: “The relationship is stronger for CEOs who are high on moral identity symbolization rather than low on moral identity symbolization.”

....that is, CEOs who behave or speak publicly in a way that enhances their reputation for moral behavior are even more likely than the average head honcho to oversee a company whose actions turn out to be at least in part socially irresponsible.

....This will not surprise anyone familiar with Enron, the once-high-flying energy company whose bosses were not only responsible for one of the great acts of corporate fraud in history but also an almost unprecedented level of corporate philanthropy in the years leading up to their unmasking. Likewise, just two years before the Deepwater Horizon fiasco knocked the stuffing out of British Petroleum in 2010, CEO Tony Hayward announced that the firm’s safety record was among the industry’s best, reflecting a culture of conscientiousness meant to satisfy internal and external stakeholders.

Again, the study authors are not suggesting that CSR leads to willful CSiR. Rather, the implications from their research suggests that non-conscious self-licensing comes into play on group and individual levels to such an extent that the reaction to corporate do-gooding ought to be the opposite of what it generally is,



Whilst they continue touting the commitment rhetoric,
the bus is arriving,
quickly.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 21:47:19
December 09 2016 21:45 GMT
#166
So while I still think that 4 WCS Circuit events are not quite enough, the challenger tournaments are great.

It's 10k per region (6 regions) per DH. That means there is 240k just for the Challenger tournaments. Not bad not bad.

That would also mean that the prize pool for the Korea vs The World tournament is roughly 100k.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 09 2016 21:46 GMT
#167
It's better than I expected.

It's still a disaster ridden farce, but it's better than I expected.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
December 09 2016 21:47 GMT
#168
The way I look at it...at least WCS is still around...
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 09 2016 21:47 GMT
#169
On December 10 2016 06:47 LtCalley wrote:
The way I look at it...at least WCS is still around...

And will be next year!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
December 09 2016 21:52 GMT
#170
We intend to retain the same format for WCS 2018 as in 2017. While the exact events and timings for 2018 are up in the air, we are committed to supporting this structure and prizing over the next two years for WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit.

2 more years at least then.

It's not too bad considering
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 22:02:56
December 09 2016 22:02 GMT
#171
On December 10 2016 05:34 JuanDi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 02:23 Charoisaur wrote:
With the advantage of the korean infrastructure gone is there any logical reason to ban koreans from tournaments anymore?


if you look at other eSports and sports in general, one of the things that pulls people in are local teams/players. Just look at soccer, even those shitty teams who never win have a significant fan base. Region locking is not just about keeping koreans from getting eveything, but allowing for growth of all regions. People complain about koreans not getting enough tournaments, but do they take into account how little opportunities forteigners had before region locking? Sure they could compete in many tournaments but realistically they weren't going to win. Last year saw a massive growth in the scene, and though it is hurting korean sc2, the playing field is actually starting to balance a lot.


i agree with the logic here, but woah you say "last year saw a massive growth in the scene"? what do you mean by this

man what i would do to see sc2 grow.............
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 22:23:52
December 09 2016 22:09 GMT
#172
On December 10 2016 07:02 ilililililililiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 05:34 JuanDi wrote:
On December 10 2016 02:23 Charoisaur wrote:
With the advantage of the korean infrastructure gone is there any logical reason to ban koreans from tournaments anymore?


if you look at other eSports and sports in general, one of the things that pulls people in are local teams/players. Just look at soccer, even those shitty teams who never win have a significant fan base. Region locking is not just about keeping koreans from getting eveything, but allowing for growth of all regions. People complain about koreans not getting enough tournaments, but do they take into account how little opportunities forteigners had before region locking? Sure they could compete in many tournaments but realistically they weren't going to win. Last year saw a massive growth in the scene, and though it is hurting korean sc2, the playing field is actually starting to balance a lot.


i agree with the logic here, but woah you say "last year saw a massive growth in the scene"? what do you mean by this

man what i would do to see sc2 grow.............

People trying to compete with the best is what making a scene grow, not some mantras, bronze-platinum balance whine, braindead memes and pleas to Blizzard. This community wants the people playing for a long time now to constantly be their actors in a neverending show while ridiculing and not supporting players that want to commit to the game. See recent thread about NonY for instance. So many people that this community does not need.

I've never followed any other competitive game closely, but even without it I guess that this community is among the whiniest and most demanding of all.

If you support SC2 take part in next year's WCS.
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ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 22:23:04
December 09 2016 22:19 GMT
#173
I understand the emotional side to it Aqua, but you and Juan say the exact opposite. Do we have any statistics to back up the improvement for last years region lock? Did the decline slow up a bit? Priority #1 is stabilizing the scene
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
December 09 2016 22:32 GMT
#174
i find it so funny that people were crying for region locks 2012-2015 because koreans just took all the money and now are crying that koreans are getting screwed. I mean they are getting screwed but this is was everyone was crying for and we got it. same with balance and everything else you get what you ask for and can never be happy about it.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18619 Posts
December 09 2016 22:35 GMT
#175
On December 10 2016 07:32 starslayer wrote:
i find it so funny that people were crying for region locks 2012-2015 because koreans just took all the money and now are crying that koreans are getting screwed. I mean they are getting screwed but this is was everyone was crying for and we got it. same with balance and everything else you get what you ask for and can never be happy about it.


Most that cried for region lock dont even watch the game anymore imo.
jedi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
United States172 Posts
December 09 2016 22:44 GMT
#176
Just glad to see we have another 2 years of a great eSport!
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 09 2016 22:45 GMT
#177
On December 10 2016 07:35 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 07:32 starslayer wrote:
i find it so funny that people were crying for region locks 2012-2015 because koreans just took all the money and now are crying that koreans are getting screwed. I mean they are getting screwed but this is was everyone was crying for and we got it. same with balance and everything else you get what you ask for and can never be happy about it.


Most that cried for region lock dont even watch the game anymore imo.

I'd dare to say that most of the people here don't play it. It's all about giving them entertainment.

I would be really happy to be terribly wrong on that though.
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Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
December 09 2016 22:50 GMT
#178
On December 10 2016 07:35 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 07:32 starslayer wrote:
i find it so funny that people were crying for region locks 2012-2015 because koreans just took all the money and now are crying that koreans are getting screwed. I mean they are getting screwed but this is was everyone was crying for and we got it. same with balance and everything else you get what you ask for and can never be happy about it.


Most that cried for region lock dont even watch the game anymore imo.


Nah, we're still here.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 09 2016 23:02 GMT
#179
i don't understand the angle the negative comments are taking. you want more from blizzard but how are you justifying it? such disappointment that there isnt more but why do you think there would be more? i think it's a lot as it is, given the size of sc2 esports community. like what exactly is your business/economic reasoning for there being more events? i just dont understand how it seems like such a given to so many people that there ought to be more tournaments, and more korean tournaments. im surprised by how many there actually are and other people are disgusted at how few there are. can you give the broad strokes of how you figure it would work out for blizzard and these tournament hosting companies etc to support more sc2 events?
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13993 Posts
December 09 2016 23:15 GMT
#180
Can't wait for the all kill during Korea v World. Can't hide behind stephano and naniwa anymore.
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