EPTKorean SC2 Salary Cap Collusion Revealed - Page 4
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Harstem
Netherlands263 Posts
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
On November 22 2016 19:02 fishjie wrote: let the market determine the salary. capping it silly. 60k is very low. esp since they've sacrificed their entire lives. if pro gaming doesn't work out, they dont have any education to fall back on, no other skills to speak of, they are screwed for life you know its still possible to go to school when you're older than 18-19 or whatever | ||
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gab12
Poland147 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18679 Posts
On November 22 2016 23:13 stuchiu wrote: You mean the most beloved player in Starcraft and icon of his game , looked up to by every player in his league. How could he possibly get information about their contracts. I wonder. I don't think you know much about Asian culture if you think they'd tell Flash the truth tbh. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8252 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:14 Scarlett` wrote: you know its still possible to go to school when you're older than 18-19 or whatever No, once you're past 18 everything goes downhill, and I mean EVERYTHING. Now I just spend the rest of my days getting baked. | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
I'm a bit more concerned by the other end of the spectrum - I mean surely "B-teamers" got paid a third or maybe even less than that. And they certainly couldn't rely on tournament earnings. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:33 geokilla wrote: On the one hand, $60k to play a video game seems ridiculous. On the other hand, professional athletes make more than $60k annually. Heck some of them make $60k in a day! I'm not sure how I feel about this.. Ehh, "to play a videogame" is an understatement. They have to dedicate their entire lives to it. It's probably harder than most full time jobs/study they could otherwise have. And only the champions would actually be getting paid 60K, none of the other players would. 60K IS more than enough all things considered for a salary given that they get free housing, electric, don't have to spend much on food etc. I'd only have a major issue in this if most of the players go paid much less or if the teams took a massive cut of their winnings | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:14 Scarlett` wrote: you know its still possible to go to school when you're older than 18-19 or whatever Yeah, like... people saying that they sacrifice their lives and their souls for the game is a gross exaggeration, although a bit true of course But the way they put it is as if the players were going this way and they are never coming back, lose all education opportunities, the end of their career means living on the street or something | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On November 22 2016 19:22 Arceus wrote: $60k/year is great considering the popularity of sc2 in Korea. Pointless to quote BW salaries unless OP wants to point out that BW is 4 times more popular than Sc2 in Korea (which is true) You said everything, 60k for a game that was never popular in Kr. is a great salary, I am sure that even without the cap there woulndt be anyone above that money. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada949 Posts
If your boss said hey bro your salary is capped now lol would you be motivated to get better? | ||
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critique
United States135 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6288 Posts
On November 23 2016 02:06 palexhur wrote: You said everything, 60k for a game that was never popular in Kr. is a great salary, I am sure that even without the cap there woulndt be anyone above that money. Then why have the cap? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
Yes, at the end is an irrelevant cap, maybe they thought in some way some time Blizzard could make the game popular. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:33 geokilla wrote: On the one hand, $60k to play a video game seems ridiculous. On the other hand, professional athletes make more than $60k annually. Heck some of them make $60k in a day! I'm not sure how I feel about this.. It's not ridiculous. There is no objectiv meaningful job or duty. In that sense all entertainnent (sports, music, movies) is ridiculous. The mainstream audience just haven't come to terms with the fact that gaming is no more or less meaningful than being an actor, athlete or musician. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On November 22 2016 16:12 RoninKenshin wrote: What most people have to realize before addressing this is that while $60,000 is a comfortable salary for most people in regular life, it's a garbage cap for these pros. Why? The majority of pros starts their career in middle school or high school. Due to the rigorous training schedule required to reach the top, meaning the status of Pro-gamer rather than the top of the Pro-gamers, most pros sacrifice their education. They may graduate, but they will not be able to score on on standardized tests which will allow them to enter top schools that lead to good jobs. This is especially serious in Korea where the University graduated from can be the main criteria for job searches. I know there's a few exceptions like Polt or Stephano, but most people cannot cannot balance both Pro SC2 and school. After playing for 10 years and retiring from SC2, there are really very few options. Some liked personalities will be able to get jobs in gaming like MC, although that may be temporary as well. I remember seeing a "where are they now" article a long time ago, and it was incredibly bleak. A couple really lucky ones will get a job with their sponsored company. The probability of getting another job that comes even close to $60k a year or one that will eventually even give raises to that amount is probably close to zero. The cap is garbage because getting into the career of competitive anything is essentially gambling that you can get to the top, make a living off of it, and coast through almost the rest of your life on it. You sacrifice all your other options for this risk. You don't just sacrifice your past and present, you sacrifice your future as well. If every player was paid $60,000 a year, then sure, that's fine. That would mean getting into pro-gaming would be a safe and comfortable job that yielding great reward for the few that could reach pro-gamer status. But instead there are tonnes of pro-gamers who got paid peanuts or even nothing. They're going to finish their 10 year careers with nothing in the bank and no future, and the top players are going to finish their career with some money in the bank and no future. Also the idea that the cap was there to prevent the rich teams from stealing all the players is ridiculous. Nothing stopped SKT from stealing every single player that showed the slightest bit of potential. Caps only work if all the teams have at least some money, and we know that a lot were tapped or didn't care to invest more. All the caps did was hurt the futures of the players. I can agree caps are bad if someone is working hard, but I can't accept your justification related to giving up education. It was THEIR decision. Their fault really. They traded education for short-term gain and they have to live with consequences of not having education after they finish with gaming. Grow up. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3767 Posts
So poorer teams can be competetive in terms of salary? Maybe there were thinking about eSF teams as well or I don't know. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16082 Posts
to make sure the money is spread more evenly amongst the players? imagine the team has 150k available to pay salaries. without a cap they might be tempted to give the best player 100k a year and the other players like 10k a year. With a cap the most a single player can get is 60k and the other players get more. | ||
r_gg
141 Posts
Flash does say in the video that it was there for the teams to open up budget for investing in the LoL teams. | ||
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